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[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 April 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Actually I don't. There are 35 ton PPC carriers already.

Well, there are plenty of posts about Sized Harpdoints and Chassis Diversity. I am not going to waste my time explaining it again, here.

CantHandletheTruth, on 20 April 2015 - 09:29 PM, said:

I can (and have) wrecked you with most of my mechs, and there are a LOT more IS in the stable.

Lol, keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night.

Fate 6, on 21 April 2015 - 05:41 AM, said:

Also, Bishop is a scrub pilot, don't take his balance opinions seriously

Yes Fate because being twitchy makes a person better at reasoning, observing and understanding how things work. Lol. Need to stroke your epeen much? Obviously, or you wouldn't need to sprinkle pointless and irrelevant personal attacks into your posts.

But I guess you regularly solo Krivvan, Soy, Adiuvo, Heimdelight? Seriously, I could care less what you think of me, but you're starting to trip over your own epeen.

[xMintaka]

Fate 6, on 21 April 2015 - 05:41 AM, said:

You assume people even still use the 2LPL build. This thing will do Gauss+all the lasers. It's not a matter of new weapon loadouts but new placements. They are higher and in the side torso, thus better.

Also, Bishop is a scrub pilot, don't take his balance opinions seriously

Everyone and their dog still uses the 2LPL build. Guass + lasers takes away the hillpeeking of this variant. I guarantee all you'll see in that torso is ERLL/LPL.

[Kin3ticX]

PGI actually put negative quirks on a TBR part. I don't like the ERLL burn time even before the negative quirk. With this omnipod it will be 1.65 sec. Certainly will see LPL viable up in there, probably 2xLPL, ERML. LPL has enough range for most situations anyways. There will also be new iterations of the Gauss, 5xERML and Gauss 2xLPL, and 2xLPL, 3-4xML builds.

Probably still raises the bar despite negative quirks. Many players will gladly trade these quirks for high mount.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 21 April 2015 - 06:19 AM.

[Fate 6]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 April 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

Well, there are plenty of posts about Sized Harpdoints and

Yes Fate because being twitchy makes a person better at reasoning, observing and understanding how things work. Lol. Need to stroke your epeen much? Obviously, or you wouldn't need to sprinkle pointless and irrelevant personal attacks into your posts.

But I guess you regularly solo Krivvan, Soy, Adiuvo, Heimdelight? Seriously, I could care less what you think of me, but you're starting to trip over your own epeen.

Skill is completely relevant when assessing balance. Playing better comes from an increased understanding of strategy and mechanics which are important. Additionally, you have admitted several times that you run LRM launchers on nonLRM boat mechs which has nothing to do with "twitching" amd everything to do with you just wanting to play your way regardless of effectiveness, a mindset that does not contrubute well to real gameplay discussion.

I can and have gone even or better with the people you mention, and not just once in a blue moon but with regularity. You wouldn't know because you literally have never dropped a single game with me (and that should again say something about your play).

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 April 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

Well, there are plenty of posts about Sized Harpdoints and Chassis Diversity. I am not going to waste my time explaining it again, here.

Oh that argument. The one thats been around the CBT circuit for a while. There are 42 35 ton Chassis listed on Sarna, of which there are likely 3 (minimum) variants on average. How many are Unique?
Say the Hollander for sure. Well...Garm.
The Talon is a Panther but fast.
The Wight is a Talon with a Heavy PPC.
Heck the Firebee is almost a Panther
Falcon hawk

Unique isn't very.

[Fate 6]

Lunatech, on 21 April 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

Everyone and their dog still uses the 2LPL build. Guass + lasers takes away the hillpeeking of this variant. I guarantee all you'll see in that torso is ERLL/LPL.

In regards to this new pod the lasers are better but the cirrent comp build is gauss and nobody uses the LPL one anymore

[Joseph Mallan]

Fate 6, on 21 April 2015 - 06:33 AM, said:

Skill is completely relevant when assessing balance. Playing better comes from an increased understanding of strategy and mechanics which are important. Additionally, you have admitted several times that you run LRM launchers on nonLRM boat mechs which has nothing to do with "twitching" amd everything to do with you just wanting to play your way regardless of effectiveness, a mindset that does not contrubute well to real gameplay discussion.

I can and have gone even or better with the people you mention, and not just once in a blue moon but with regularity. You wouldn't know because you literally have never dropped a single game with me (and that should again say something about your play).

You cannot say this in all honesty Fate. You have been in drops with me (rarely) and I know My Elo is below Bishop's.

[Bishop Steiner]

Fate 6, on 21 April 2015 - 06:33 AM, said:

Skill is completely relevant when assessing balance. Playing better comes from an increased understanding of strategy and mechanics which are important. Additionally, you have admitted several times that you run LRM launchers on nonLRM boat mechs which has nothing to do with "twitching" amd everything to do with you just wanting to play your way regardless of effectiveness, a mindset that does not contrubute well to real gameplay discussion.

I can and have gone even or better with the people you mention, and not just once in a blue moon but with regularity. You wouldn't know because you literally have never dropped a single game with me (and that should again say something about your play).

And yet I have dropped with ALL of them quite regularly. Huh. Go figure. Go back to playing with yourself.

[Mystere]

Kiiyor, on 20 April 2015 - 09:43 PM, said:

Pure, white, uncut californian blow?

It's pure China white, silly.

Edited by Mystere, 21 April 2015 - 06:48 AM.

[Fate 6]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 April 2015 - 06:36 AM, said:

You cannot say this in all honesty Fate. You have been in drops with me (rarely) and I know My Elo is below Bishop's.

Matchmaking matches good players with bad ones. I'm less likely to be with EMP and more likely to be against them because of how the system works. This is why brand new players end up in matches with top tier ones. MM matches average elo of the team. This might be why Bishop drops with them - it puts the worst with the best because it averages out.

[Xeraphale]

Widowmaker1981, on 21 April 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

Well, other than the drawback of equipping ERPPCs with no bonus velocity, which is a pretty big drawback.

PPCs suck without velocity quirks**

Please note im not one of the people complaining about the negatives on that pod, i think they should be a little worse actually.

**(yes, this is a problem, they need to buff PPC velocity by 40% and then stick a 40% velocity NERF on the Dire Wolf and King Crab. But then the Firestarter would PPC just as well as a Panther without the 1 arm drawback.. so i can see why they dont)

Well, I hit things just fine with my un-quirked ERPPCs. I must practice with them

[Metus regem]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 April 2015 - 06:36 AM, said:

You cannot say this in all honesty Fate. You have been in drops with me (rarely) and I know My Elo is below Bishop's.

I've dropped with Bishop (well his clan alt) a couple of times, when I ran with CGBI... but never in PUGlife... but then again, I'm just average... Still I do see LORD, 228, HHoD and CSJ with some regularity in PUGLife... so either I'm better than I thought, or they are being used to counter my lack of ability... either way, I still see them

[Gyrok]

Kin3ticX, on 21 April 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

PGI actually put negative quirks on a TBR part. I don't like the ERLL burn time even before the negative quirk. With this omnipod it will be 1.65 sec. Certainly will see LPL viable up in there, probably 2xLPL, ERML. LPL has enough range for most situations anyways. There will also be new iterations of the Gauss, 5xERML and Gauss 2xLPL, and 2xLPL, 3-4xML builds.

Probably still raises the bar despite negative quirks. Many players will gladly trade these quirks for high mount.

Do any of you even realize that the cockpit is still mounted in the chest...you cannot fire those lasers without exposing the cockpit of the mech. (i.e. half the mech must be exposed to see the target anyway...)

This essentially does not change anything aside from a very few scenarios where peeking around an inclined surface, on the proper side, will expose about 33% of the mech instead of 50%....wooptie doo...

Edited by Gyrok, 21 April 2015 - 07:18 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kin3ticX, on 21 April 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

PGI actually put negative quirks on a TBR part. I don't like the ERLL burn time even before the negative quirk. With this omnipod it will be 1.65 sec. Certainly will see LPL viable up in there, probably 2xLPL, ERML. LPL has enough range for most situations anyways. There will also be new iterations of the Gauss, 5xERML and Gauss 2xLPL, and 2xLPL, 3-4xML builds.

Probably still raises the bar despite negative quirks. Many players will gladly trade these quirks for high mount.

Yeah, probably done intentionally to make it a little less attractive or automatic "go to" to slap ERLLs up there. Whether or not it'll work..well, I guess we'll find out today.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 21 April 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Do any of you even realize that the cockpit is still mounted in the chest...you cannot fire those lasers without exposing the cockpit of the mech. (i.e. half the mech must be exposed to see the target anyway...)

This essentially does not change anything aside from a very few scenarios where peeking around an inclined surface, on the proper side, will expose about 33% of the mech instead of 50%....wooptie doo...

Less than a quarter need be exposed (closer to 20%, really, and that's IF you don't use cover to hide the Right side of the mech, then closer to 10 maybe 15%). Exaggeration does your argument no favors.

You literally expose no more, and often less, than those evil STK-4Ns (since they are usually not able to Sword and Board and must both sides of the mech for full effect, but can snipe well right side/left side if the pilot is patient).

It's probably the hyperbole and hysteria on this and the XL post that cause me to have to argue so strongly against you on them, Gyrok.

[Mystere]

Fate 6, on 20 April 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

They did check. In the last event Clans won 53% of games. Clan mechs are currently still better in CW. Buffing the Timber Wolf or Storm Crow won't balance the game. If you want buffs to Clan mechs then go fight for something that actually needs help (Summoner, Badder, etc)

LOL. People keep bandying that 53% number as if it were the Word of God. But, if you also take into account the allegation that the vast majority of Clan players only bring nothing but the Holy Trinity, then that very same number takes on a very different meaning than what you are preaching. You do not know how the many variables involved came to play during that weekend, and as such with regard to that number, the Devil is in the details.

One Medic Army, on 20 April 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Funny, because I saw lots and lots of terrabad clan trials everywhere.

Unfortunately, anecdote <> fact.

Edited by Mystere, 21 April 2015 - 07:27 AM.

[Tasker]

Shocked to discover that good players think this mech is insane, while bad players think it is bad.

Hm.

[Mystere]

Kiiyor, on 21 April 2015 - 01:52 AM, said:

Maybe. But I'm OK with it.



I also like to think of myself supporting a game I freaking love

Why soil perfectly good sheets with filthy money?

[InspectorG]

Adiuvo, on 20 April 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

That's it? lol, that won't do **** to affect what the mechs will be used for with those hardpoints.

StalkerCat

[Bishop Steiner]

Mystere, on 21 April 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

Why soil perfectly good sheets with filthy money?

and risk either 1) paper cuts, or 2) cold hard metal poking you?

I'd rather do the silk sheets while looking at my fat bank on my tablet.