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[Stoned Prophet]

JaxRiot, on 21 April 2015 - 08:04 PM, said:

Its sad but ya, that pretty much sums it up.

CW was made for the hard core players, so unless you belong to a guild/clan, then you're probably just going to get face rolled. Starting with a Gen Rush and ending with spawn camping.

So it ends up being that if you dont like being table scraps for the pre-mades, then dont do them. Not that I have anything against the pre-mades at all. They are just playing to win using the mechanics that are in place. Hats off to them.

I used to try to pug them a while back so I could get some free mech bays but gave up on CW. To me they are not worth the frustration.

Even these CW only events that they keep having to entice people to go play CW isnt enough for me. Dangling shinies in front of me so the pre-mades can have fresh meat isnt very appealing to me at all.

There is an alternative: Dont be scraps for the premade groups by working together as a team. Thats why solo pug queue players cant hack it. mthey REFUSE to work as a team but DEMAND access to the team portion of the game. You dont wanna be on a team? Solo que for you and good riddance. Anyone who WANTS to work hard and be on a team will be welcomed on one. Anyone who has issues with CW has those issues do to their own actions, That is ALL.

[Stoned Prophet]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 22 April 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

If CW is meant to be hard core mode (IE Advanced) then why are trial mechs allowed in it?



Gods forbid the ppl making the game be to blame for its issues

None of these issues are with the game. they are with the people playing it in a fashion other than intended.
Youre saying its the cops fault you got a speeding ticket because they enforce the laws, or the state senate because they made the laws. You, and so many others, refuse to take accountability for your own actions, and want everything made for YOU. and the hell with everyone else.
But since you dont even play the game anymore as you admitted in this thread, why are you here? Stalker exboyfriend status right there.

[Black Ivan]

I personally made the experience that CW is only fun for the side that is winning. The side loosing has no chance to counter it's demise and the reward for participating in a lost game is very small, making the time invested not worth it.

[Ghogiel]

git gud and git lucky so you don't hit anything more than a 4 man from a 10% player base premade.

Or team up with gud players and farm for easy sapcebux

Bush Hopper, on 22 April 2015 - 04:53 AM, said:

I won't join CW. Simply because I dislike the feeling of being "herded" into playing it. It is meant for the hardcore minority...so I do not get why they make these events except they want meat for the grinder

The hardcore minority doesn't really play CW because it isn't competitive at the end game. Probably most just do it because it's a break from regular play and to farm the ranks.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghogiel, on 22 April 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

git gud and git lucky so you don't hit anything more than a 4 man from a 10% player base premade.

Or team up with gud players and farm for easy sapcebux

Sounds like a Mercenary's credo.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 April 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

So if its hard mode, what is the hard way to play it? In the macked out ride or the stock one?

In the non trial [Redacted] ride without a matchmaker, or are you saying that part doesnt make it harder?

Edited by GM Patience, 23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

If I wanna come with my arms behind my back to see what I can do, What's it to you?

[Ghogiel]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 April 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

Sounds like a Mercenary's credo.

Everyones a merc at the end of the day. Some just dress it up and try to disguise it.

[operatorZ]

Mystere, on 21 April 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Actually, come to think of it, I think it's been a while since I've been spawn camped. So I might have forgotten the feeling.

It must be my time and method of choosing a drop.

He's not alone...or wait I guess he is

I also only solo in CW and I have had an overall positive experience playing, yes you do get rolled sometimes...but that happens in the public que too. Basically, people get upset by it in CW more because of the waiting time for matches and the possible time commitment. It does help to time your CW drops with the most activity, more chance of getting a mixed drop vs. mixed drop.

[Jon Gotham]

destroika, on 21 April 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

So there you have it. In short, CW is working perfectly, so avoid it.

Sadly you got it right. It's not aimed at those that dislike:
Teaming up with others
Talking
Typing
Listening
Any brand of teamwork outside of drop and shoot.

It's not aimed at peeps who like drop and go gameplay. It's designed for peeps who like to work and play with others, whilst forming communities and friendships-basically NOT your modern mmo gamer....
Not really their fault (except going in with their current attitudes with the game set up as it is) and not the game mode's fault and most certainly NOT premades' fault either.
What I would say is PGI have dropped the ball trying to do something more than team solomatch. That is where the mass population is, maybe not the mass spending mind but pop certainly. They should have catered to team solomatch people really to ensure a larger pop-THEN made team play modes.
But then again that might have hampered the game too....so what to do?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Ghogiel, on 22 April 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

The hardcore minority doesn't really play CW because it isn't competitive at the end game. Probably most just do it because it's a break from regular play and to farm the ranks.

Pretty much my sentiments on CW. CW should've never been aimed at the competitive players because it was never going to satisfy any comp players like leagues (ladder or planetary) will. CW should've been aimed at casual players from the start.

CW is nice only because of some of the crazy achievement payouts to grind for.

[operatorZ]

Ghogiel, on 22 April 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

Everyones a merc at the end of the day. Some just dress it up and try to disguise it.

No, this isn't true. A loyalist is someone who picks a side and sticks with it...unless they leave then they become a merc, but not until than. Plus with the current rewards system being a merc is actually the more beneficial path. Merc's have the advantage of getting rewards from all factions not just one like a loyalist.

[Ghogiel]

operatorZ, on 22 April 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

No, this isn't true. A loyalist is someone who picks a side and sticks with it...unless they leave then they become a merc, but not until than. Plus with the current rewards system being a merc is actually the more beneficial path. Merc's have the advantage of getting rewards from all factions not just one like a loyalist.

lol

That's a "merc" as a defined title in MWO. I meant the proverbial merc

[operatorZ]

Ghogiel, on 22 April 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

lol

That's a "merc" as a defined title in MWO. I meant the proverbial merc

soooo in other words you were using the Royal "We"

[Burktross]

Ursh, on 22 April 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think every match, solo, grouped, whatever, should be working towards CW.

Everyone, even if they only have time for one 15 minute match, should feel like they're part of something bigger.

Cough cough, planetside 2.

[VitiateDiabolus]

Stoned Prophet, on 22 April 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

None of these issues are with the game. they are with the people playing it in a fashion other than intended.
Youre saying its the cops fault you got a speeding ticket because they enforce the laws, or the state senate because they made the laws. You, and so many others, refuse to take accountability for your own actions, and want everything made for YOU. and the hell with everyone else.
But since you dont even play the game anymore as you admitted in this thread, why are you here? Stalker exboyfriend status right there.

I don't care for this train of logic. League of Legends eventually removed the option to play free rotation champions in all ranked games because the consensus both by the community and the developers was that it was not conducive to competitive play.

I think most people would agree that it is at least partially the responsibility of the game's developers to minimize potentially toxic activity that the community will partake in given the option. Expecting the community to police themselves is impractical and unrealistic.

[C E Dwyer]

soloing in CW is fine as long as there is a high enough population, and that is the problem

on a normal week day when there is less than a thousand people playing between 10 factions its pretty bad I find

however I do agree that bribing people tp play an event is pretty extreme and just places a beacon on how badly its failed

[Telmasa]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 April 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

I was on a CW team that was doing the Spawn camping. I was a PUG and helped destroy the enemy fish in a barrel style.

I've been in that situation, as rare as it is, too.
It was alot more fun when I backed off and was able to successfully challenge a couple of the losing team's pilots to zellbriggen with my last two remaining mechs. (It was a little hard keeping my team from interfering but we managed.)

Should I now say the game should be nothing but 1 v 1 zellbriggen matches? Puh-leeze.

Joseph Mallan, on 22 April 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

Blame game is strong in the gaming community I guess. Have you noticed something different with me than most folks here?
I don't blame the game for the things I am not good at. If my Team gets spawn camped my team failed. If My team gets stomped 12-1 My team failed. If I only do 50 damage and die 2 minutes in Its my fault. Blame goes where it belongs.

If the game drops you with your back exposed to 12 mechs lined up who alpha you before you can so much as twist your torso, is that still your fault? Cause that's what happens in a spawncamp. You don't get "2 minutes" - let alone so much as 15 seconds - when a spawncamp is occuring.

JaxRiot, on 21 April 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

Ok ok.. How is it that You're always the exception to every situation?
Ive noticed that in almost every thread that notes the games short comings (that are experienced my many others), its always you that never have those problems in nearly all of them that I have seen lately.
How is that even possible?

I suspect either a shill or somebody who just likes to argue.

It's the latter. It's that aspect that allows me to maintain respect for Mystere, despite our disagreements, because I'm the same way. I just prefer to think I'm more sensible.

Romeo Deluxe, on 21 April 2015 - 10:05 PM, said:

PS PGI will change the game, there is no doubt about that it will change. The real solution is YOU changing your perspective on life & death in MWO.

Fair point. I'm admittedly impatient, it's only been two, three years, with plenty of previous examples of the game serving as examples to draw upon both when it comes to what works and what doesn't...what was I saying again?

Oh, right, patience. I'll get right to it with not playing (why get frustrated, right?) & patiently waiting like a good boy.

(Ultimately you are right, since I don't have the means to experiment with/change the game myself. Just understand where I'm coming from.)

Edited by Telmasa, 22 April 2015 - 03:45 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Peter2k, on 22 April 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

Wow
Hardcore players?

According to a quote be Russ (I think) yes

[Joseph Mallan]

Telmasa, on 22 April 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

If the game drops you with your back exposed to 12 mechs lined up who alpha you before you can so much as twist your torso, is that still your fault? Cause that's what happens in a spawncamp. You don't get "2 minutes" - let alone so much as 15 seconds - when a spawncamp is occuring.

Yes. I could try to get some Lawmen together, but decided to drop solo. So Yes My fault.

And this is different than me waiting at your drop point, to kill you and your friends. Fish in a barrel.