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[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

GamerGirlGundam, on 29 April 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

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that post is iffy. I mean let's face facts; it's easy for noface mechwarriors to cheat because no one is paying attention to them, but the top tier teams are always streamed and in competitions and would have the spotlight on them. not to mention the game data saved...I would think if they were cheating it would have been reported and looked into and caught very quickly by now.

I've dropped against top tier players and they smoked me. Did they cheat? no. The truth is they have a good rig (with a proper gaming mouse) and put in hours into this game daily to maintain their skills. Back when I played this game 4 hours a day I got pretty good aim wise.. Now that I hardly play all that much my "skills" are terrible.

I'm not saying these hacks don't exist, I just doubt someone who is a gamer who puts in that many hours would really need them... this is a shooter.. not chess... there are some common things which if you follow make you a deadly opponent like:
knowing which mech uses XL and going for a ST
legging because it has 1/4 the armor of the CT
Twist/Alpha/Twist/Alpha
Choosing which mech to engage on the map
gauging your opponents skill and aim level and brawling based off of this

Back when I took my games that seriously and warmed up in the training grounds before launching I'd get 4-5 kills and 800+ damage every other match. These days I usually get 1-2 kills and 300 damage in my DDC...

Top tier players take the game that seriously, which is why they are seen as better mech pilots. yeah it sucks facing someone that good when you just want to casually pew pew and get torn up quickly, but then just avoid group dropping, since ELO MM means you will hardly get paired to face off against one of them.

I dunno.. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. There are people who cheat.. I just think the percentage is too low to see it as a threat to the game.. and also I feel that shouting "HAX" or whatever at a guy who outplayed you is poor sport.

[ShinVector]

GamerGirlGundam, on 29 April 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

then there is
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The Dreaded Baron B Killer, on 29 April 2015 - 03:26 AM, said:

that post is iffy. I mean let's face facts; it's easy for noface mechwarriors to cheat because no one is paying attention to them, but the top tier teams are always streamed and in competitions and would have the spotlight on them. not to mention the game data saved...I would think if they were cheating it would have been reported and looked into and caught very quickly by now.

Best remove the direct link of the conversation from the thread.
Might get you in trouble with PGI.

Refer to:
http://mwomercs.com/...party-programs/

Edited by ShinVector, 29 April 2015 - 03:31 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Aresye Kerensky, on 28 April 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

Believe it or not, but it IS possible to aim in this game.

I concur. even at 12 FpS it is possible. difficult, but possible.

[Elizander]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 April 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

Apparently its also possible to aim and fire and hit the target several times even after its jumped into a valley where there is terrain between you and the shooter because of lag.

Quite possible. Happens a bit for me at 300+ MS. I'm behind cover but to the enemy I'm still out in the open so it seems like I got shot behind a wall.

[EvilCow]

Those who simply dismiss the problem are the best allies of cheaters, the problem is real.

The game has no hard protections so cheaters will cheat, it is their nature.

[Impyrium]

So I usually would come into a thread like this and say something along the lines of "maybe they just know how to aim" but thanks to a particular video that I will not link from here I'm no longer certain what to believe. Time will tell.

[mogs01gt]

Gorgo7, on 28 April 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:

Anyone else run-into a Clan unit running aim bots?
My team did and it was incredible. Worst defeat I can remember EVER in CW.
Our team is competent but the firepower, lack of friendly fire in close quarters, the speed of the aggression and the rain of missiles before any conceivable lock from visual or UAV was overwhelming.
First time we have been so decisively crushed ever. We've has skunks but this was much worse.

I was so stunned i failed to take a screen shot (for ah...private use of course), anyone else have this experience?

Cheers,

G7

I've had some weird **** happen to me in this game the last few times I played. My Stalker kept getting its armor completely stripped by a few MLs. I assumed it was lagged but my ping was in the 60s.

Im a firm believer that some times, you get a bugged match in MWO.

Edited by mogs01gt, 29 April 2015 - 05:40 AM.

[STEF_]

Facing a lot of comp.players during this event, I'm quite sure about who were using "esp wallhack".

But... no name and shame, right?

But this happened: I poke out, and he hit me; change position, poke->hit me, change-> hit me again.
So.... how could he know where I was to poke? Quite hilarious, right?

[Widowmaker1981]

Stefka Kerensky, on 29 April 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Facing a lot of comp.players during this event, I'm quite sure about who were using "esp wallhack".

But... no name and shame, right?

But this happened: I poke out, and he hit me; change position, poke->hit me, change-> hit me again.
So.... how could he know where I was to poke? Quite hilarious, right?

Apparently these type of things are detectable by PGI - so report them to support i guess.

Wallhack is a worrying one, because there is really no way to know if your opponent is using one - there are only so many places you can poke most of the time, so they *might* just be getting lucky.

[rhilir]

I have seen that wall hack hack a lot in solo que. Most of the time it's a light mech that has it.

[Mercules]

EvilCow, on 29 April 2015 - 03:49 AM, said:

The game has no hard protections so cheaters will cheat, it is their nature.

Server Side Authentication goes pretty far. The reason many other games require cheat detection running is because of how they are coded and most actions are client side which reports to the server, "Oh I totally hit that guy, ignore what you think happened." opening the doors for easy hacking.

MWO aimbots are going to be really hard to code well since the models are all slightly different.

Wallhacks, on the other hand, are completely possible and likely. In fact my unit might have run into a unit using them in CW this weekend as it was fishy.

The unit in question constantly launched UAVs but did so in areas that made no sense. Those UAVs were so far out of range it was ridiculous. None the less they seemed to always have an idea where people were, even when they shifted along a valley fully in cover. We suspected the UAV launches, despite not being anywhere close to us, where a cover for them so they could say, "No... we had a UAV up so we could see them." When I say out of range I mean we are sniping back and forth at about 500-600 meters and someone in their back line launches a UAV.... ??????

[mogs01gt]

EvilCow, on 29 April 2015 - 03:49 AM, said:

Those who simply dismiss the problem are the best allies of cheaters, the problem is real.
The game has no hard protections so cheaters will cheat, it is their nature.

I've been playing FPS's for 20 years now. The players who dismiss cheats, typically do no have enough FPS knowledge or experience to tell the difference between a human vs a macro/bot.

[GuardDogg]

Myself seen hacking in a game. Ever see a Raven with 7 ppcs? Yeah. Many say hacking can not be done in this game. I now do not say anything until this post. I have seen it.

[Ghogiel]

Loads of teams are using aimbots. Especially at high Elo. Even in Pugland you see them every now and again.

[Davegt27]

I would not worry about it PGI knows what they are doing

This game is heavily computer controlled they can defeat any so called program

When I was a kid we used to hunt snakes, the thing is to get a confirmed kill you have to shoot a snake in the head so we all became damn good shots

It did not take too long after I started this game I was knocking Jenner’s out of the air

Then PGI through me a curve ball and made the gun go off in azimuth and I could not hit the broad side of a drop ship

So I took the AC20 off

Recently I revisited dual AC20s' on my Jager and on the third trigger pull the Mech blew up

You may think your hot stuff but it’s really the computer either buffing or nerfing
In CW it goes by side Units get a Buff pugs get a nerf
They now let you get some kills to make you feel good but the computer controls the whole thing

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Only seen it happen one time in MWO, and Ive played enough CSS to know someone is aim botting

[Sjorpha]

I'm not saying it's not possible, but I was curious about the "just google it" kinda comments, so I actually went looking. So far I have confirmed 26 scam attempts and 0 legit hacks. These are the first few pages of basic google searches for MWO cheats/hacks/aimbot etc. For example there is a frequent one pretending to allow adding MC/cbills which is just a concealed adware installer.

Be very sceptic, because all games have hundreds of cheatbot offers showing up in google searches and 99% of these are just scams trying to make you install adware or give away some kind of personal information. A secure sign of a scam is when the download link leads to a service asking you to fill in a "survey" or take part in a lottery before downloading.

Other sign of scam is that the offer is posted long ago, or recently with an outdated video, or that the posts on the webpage all have 0 comments or only positive comments.

Another test is whether they show up in torrent communities and the more unscrupulous gaming hangouts, as all real cheats eventually do. If they are only in the "www.getomgleethacks.dodgy" type of places they are scams.

None of the reddit threads or threads in various MWO communities I have looked through have convincing evidence either, all links I have found are to one of the aforementioned scams or to obscure blurry snippets of video and screenshots that look edited. Nothing solid anywhere, and mostly even easily confirmed misinformation.

I hate cheating, I want to purge it from all online gaming, but I also hate conspiracy theories.

Inb4 the obligatory super secret boogieman "you just don't know where to look" type of post. Yeah, sure there is a possibility of that in theory. In practice that just isn't how the net works. The onus of proof is on the accuser, not on the sceptic. Consider for a moment exactly how useless the argument form projected ignorance is before using it.

Edited by Sjorpha, 29 April 2015 - 06:42 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Sjorpha, on 29 April 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

I hate cheating, I want to purge it from all online gaming, but I also hate conspiracy theories.

Even if you don't think the same hack suite used in other major games doesn't work for MWO, PGI just stated themselves there are hacks and they are looking to address.

And it's not the first time> back in like 2013 they also stated that the F9 position data key was easy to exploit and they removed it for a couple months to change how it worked.

lastly somone actually posted a video of the hack as to how it works recently.

[Dino Might]

Vassago Rain, on 29 April 2015 - 05:20 AM, said:

Amazing how things change when there's big money involved, isn't it?

Maybe I have an enabler attitude, but personally I don't think there's a big enough problem to warrant action. I don't think I've ever been shot at by someone using an aimbot. I've had a lot of people shred me handily, but even if there are people out there using these hacks, the population is so low that the odd match out fails to reach my measurable threshhold on the care-meter.

I am surprised, and a bit sad, that there is a big hubbub when we talk about this "big money" prize. Firstly, for people to care enough about $4000 (of which the winning pool is only a portion) to cheat is pretty sad. It's a fairly cheap price to sell your integrity for. Secondly, for people to be so concerned about this $4000 to only raise a big stink about potential cheating at this point indicates that there is much more concern with small dollar figures than there is for principles. It's a pretty cheap price for principles as well.

At the end of the day, unless these things become overprevalent, like in Heavy Gear 2 near the end, then it may affect you 1 in every 100 or so matches, and at that point, so what? If you are regularly playing the same people and there's a likelihood someone is cheating, just don't regularly play those people if you are so worried about it.

Either way, this isn't enough of an issue that I'd rather PGI focus on stamping it out as compared to fixing maps, making new game modes, etc.

[GBxGhostRider]

I and 2 good friends knew this was happening 4 months after MWO was online =(HACKING) I have not come on this account and said much because those 2 friends were banned on the forums for being honest and telling PGI about the flaws in MWO coding and core game design and trying to help the devs eliminate the people making said programs.

These players were some of the same group that made hacks for MechWarrior4 Mercenaries =(Trainers-AimBots-Speedhack-Wallhacks-Radarhack-Varienthacks-godmode-ETC.) As was mentioned in a earlier post these same player groups are also heavily supporting MWO so PGI feels inclined to just slap there hands and let it go.

It is just to bad PGI only punishes the ones that try to legitimately help them like my friend KingCobra a 20+ year MechWarrior vet that actually worked for FASA for the MechWarrior IP. A lot of the problems in MWO he described over 3 years is coming to pass and PGI just like MekTek and NBT and MWLL is going down in flames and will be gone soon unless the devs want to do a total 360% listen to there community and make MWO truly a fun exciting game like the past MechWarrior IP games were .