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[The Mechromancer]

it really needs to have a purpose to offset the tonnage bonus of structure.

ES = weaker internals, but more tonnage?
FF= tougher armor, but less tonnage?

they would need to offset each-other so that crows and TWs don't get to double dip. But mechs like the Warhawk, or Mr. Gargles get a bump in viability.

Edited by The Mechromancer, 29 April 2015 - 01:13 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Buffing standard structure might be a superior option; it doesn't buff the God Tier robots.

[InspectorG]

I would love more functionality to Ferro.

But

Any buff would also buff the Holy trinity which would result in a typhoon of tears.

[Kain Demos]

InspectorG, on 29 April 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

I would love more functionality to Ferro.

But

Any buff would also buff the Holy trinity which would result in a typhoon of tears.

So, what is this holy trinity of 'mechs with FF you speak of?

[Alistair Winter]

Never. Ever.

Such an easy thing to fix. People have been making countless good suggestions in countless threads. Clear, concise, rational explanations. PGI's response has been... nothing.

They're not changing it. My guess is that they figure it's a can of worms and they don't want to risk upsetting the fine balance they've been working towards.

[cSand]

Oy just make it so you can add extra armour with FF up to the amount of tonnage it frees up

bam problem solved!

[InspectorG]

cSand, on 29 April 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

Oy just make it so you can add extra armour with FF up to the amount of tonnage it frees up

bam problem solved!

We are genius

http://mwomercs.com/...irks-for-ferro/

Kain Thul, on 29 April 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

So, what is this holy trinity of 'mechs with FF you speak of?

Dont they all come with the mighty endo and ferro?

[Kain Demos]

InspectorG, on 29 April 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

We are genius

http://mwomercs.com/...irks-for-ferro/



Dont they all come with the mighty endo and ferro?

The only 'mechs you can possibly be referring to are the Stormcrow and Timberwolf. The other two really good clan 'mechs have neither and plenty of bad ones have both (check out the lights and the ice Ferret).

I just wanted to point that out because I like it when people throw aroudn stupid catchphrases like that but do not even know the game.

Edited by Kain Thul, 29 April 2015 - 01:32 PM.

[HlynkaCG]

I've advocated this in numerous threads, but I like the idea of buffing the internal hit-points of mechs with standard structure.

ETA:
The idea is to make FF + Standard Structure a viable option in it's own right by focusing on protection / "tankiness". Ideally, current builds would stay as they are but, a lot of the more troubled mechs like the Gargoyle and Summoner would receive a significant boost to their durability / staying power.

Edited by HlynkaCG, 29 April 2015 - 01:34 PM.

[InspectorG]

Kain Thul, on 29 April 2015 - 01:31 PM, said:

The only 'mechs you can possibly be referring to is Stormcrow and Timberwolf. The other two really good clan 'mechs have neither.

I just wanted to point that out because I like it when people throw aroudn stupid catchphrases like that but do not even know the game.

Well, people would cry to any small buff to the Timby or SCRO

Ive never piloted a Hellbie(never bothered to look at its builds), and the Dire's 50 tons pod space is the only quirk it needs.

Point still stands though.

[Serpieri]

Give it a damage reduction.

[Khobai]

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Buffing standard structure might be a superior option; it doesn't buff the God Tier robots.

It just makes the stalker god tier instead.

[Xetelian]

Ferro could use
Damage reduction
Additional armor points
Additional weight savings
Anything just about anything that could make this better should be considered.

[Vassago Rain]

I've been pushing for damage reduction since MW3, which was back in 1999.

[Khobai]

im all for buffing IS ferro. give it 10% damage reduction to start and see how that goes.

but clan ferro doesnt need a buff... last thing we need is better timberwolves and stormcrows.

[InspectorG]

Khobai, on 29 April 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

im all for buffing IS ferro. give it 10% damage reduction to start and see how that goes.

but clan ferro doesnt need a buff... last thing we need is better timberwolves and stormcrows.

So the second class clan mechs get shafted?

For the IS, say Cicada X5 comes with Ferro, 7.5 tons worth. Quirk Ferro to give it max armor at 5 tons and you save 1.5 tons.

That could be used for 2LPL loadouts/ 3LL loadouts, more cooling, better engine/etc.

For the Clan, Summoner, quirk Ferro to give it the equivalent of having Endo steel. Doesnt fix the lack of energy hardpoint but ammo builds benefit more, particularly Ballistic.

This way each chassis/variant can be quirked to make ferro usefull and not worry about blanket buffs.
Structure and armor quirks would stand as is(unless proven OP) with the quirked Ferro. All the Ferro would do is save weight to the detriment of space. Structure/armor quirks have no detriment and more represent compensation for poor survivability.

[Tincan Nightmare]

Well you're thread title is kinda misleading, since FF has a purpose, more armor for less weight at the cost of crit slots. Think you should have gone for something more like 'I find FF underwhelming and want to make it much better in game'.

[Mcgral18]

Tincan Nightmare, on 29 April 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Well you're thread title is kinda misleading, since FF has a purpose, more armor for less weight at the cost of crit slots. Think you should have gone for something more like 'I find FF underwhelming and want to make it much better in game'.

As in, not outright worse than Endo?

[Xetelian]

Even if the TBR and the SCR benefit, ferro needs a buff. Put some negative quirks on like the -10% head armor on the SCR but in other places after buffing ferro.

[Ragtag soldier]

i feel like i'm the only one here that uses ferro-fiberous over endo-steel.....huh.