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[crustydog]

One of the great aspects of Battletech was the ability to change the drop tonnage on a match by match basis. Dropping a lance at 200 tons is a very different experience than dropping a lance at 400 tons.... even if the map stays the same.

There is no reason that sort of thing cannot be implemented here... and it would add a new flavor to the battle experience.

I also think players would find a stock mode variant to be very entertaining as well.

[multisoul]

the tonnage is perfect as it is, you can bring anything you want

[Helaton]

I would like to see an unlimited dropmode that is only restricted by the total weight of the 3 lances. Soyou can play all assaults and another on the team can play all lights as long as it is under a total of 2400 tons for example.

[Catra Lanis]

What if we keep current tonnage but open it up if you choose one of each class?

Right now I have a Warhawk, a Timber, a Crow and a Lynx. I wanted the Adder instead of the Lynx but it wasn't possible.

[Livewyr]

I'd say the 240-250 deck is generous... Were it up to me, we'd have 200ton Max, with increased respawn time for every 10 tons over 160 (Waiting more than one cycle to respawn)

But then, that's just me.

Edited by Livewyr, 02 May 2015 - 11:29 AM.

[Gorgo7]

To: OP
250 is more then enough.
More would break the system.
Having said that, I would like to see a C-Bill bonus for coming in under tonnage.

[Telmasa]

They either need to limit it to 240 for IS or Clans, imho, or restrict it to 1/1/1/1 and possibly increase it to 260. (More than that is just insane.)

The Stalker/Thunderbolt/Thunderbolt(or Dragon1N)/Firestarter(or raven) IS dropdeck is such stale cheese it makes me want to puke.
About the same reaction IS pilots have to Timberwolf/Stormcrow/Stormcrow/Stormcrow, I imagine. (Or Hellbringer/Hellbringer/S-crow/S-crow...)

Using the 1/1/1/1 limit would fix alot of that cheese.

If you want to be competitive in CW, you should have to diversify and learn *all* of the aspects game from *all* angles. Nobody with a one-track-mind for assaults/quirks/whatever should be dominating the competition.

[RedEagle86]

Chafe, on 01 May 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

My personal feeling is that clans should be limited to 200 tons and IS 240. This would give an equal weight difference of a binary star versus three lances and actually force clan to make some meaningful choices in their drop decks.

By that reckoning, Clans should have their unnerfed tech back. Lower Arm Actuators available, 15 PPFLD CERPPC's, same-length burn time lasers, and same ghost-heat barriers as the IS.

[ZenFool]

I'm hoping they implement a wide range of tonnage limits based on the planet your on, but right now they have bigger fish to fry.

Eventually I would love to see a planet with a tonnage limit of 150 for a backwater and 300(or more) for the more populous/strategic planets. It would be a way to keep things interesting.

[SethAbercromby]

250 is really generous. I can bring A Stalker, Zeus, Catapult and Locust no problem. That's 2 Assaults, 1 Heavy and a Light. How much heavier do you want us to be able to go?

[Mark of Caine]

Leone, on 01 May 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

If you wanna play assaults all the time, just strip out your engines and refit your a medium an light to be slow an heavy. In fact, here, lemme build you a drop deck.

you could drop a Gauss Firestarter with a standard 150 engine and four tons of ammo, hold the flank an trade with that.
Something a bit heavier, say, a Blackjack, give it another 150 rating so you really get that slow, stompy feel.
Then you got room for your Orion and a Banshee, and they'll feel all light an manouverable.

Bam, 250 ton 'heavy' drop deck

~Leone.

Actually, use a Raven 4X with the high mounted left arm ballistic hardpoint instead. It would allow you to hill hump even better and you have up and down arm movement for your weapon.

[Aiden Skye]

Not sure what you are QQn about. Clans have 240, IS has 250 and you want to widen the gap?

[Leone]

Caine2112, on 03 May 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

Actually, use a Raven 4X with the high mounted left arm ballistic hardpoint instead. It would allow you to hill hump even better and you have up and down arm movement for your weapon.

Well, yes, that would be useful. But the point I was making is that you can make your lights feel like assaults by stripping their engine and giving them a 80 or 60 kpm move speed. Add in the high tonnage fire power, and it feels like a heavier mech, even if you hardly have comparable armour. I wasn't actually trying to suggest something the OP could use.

My IS drop load out is all stripped engines for slower but harder hitting mechs. Way I saw it was, I wanted to move with the team anyways, so no need to outpace anyone. It feels like an assault deck, even though it's got two Shadowhawks and a Firestarter.

Frankly, I find the whole thread superfluous, but that's no reason not to have some fun. Seriously though, try it, buy a 150 standard engine and tell me if that doesn't make any mech feel like an assault when your racing the Daishi on your team, and trying to compete with it for damage, due to the ridiculous amount of firepower you can fit inna something you've already gotten used to playing.

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 04 May 2015 - 12:55 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

Leone, on 04 May 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

My IS drop load out is all stripped engines for slower but harder hitting mechs. Way I saw it was, I wanted to move with the team anyways, so no need to outpace anyone. It feels like an assault deck, even though it's got two Shadowhawks and a Firestarter.

Like this?

[Pragr]

multisoul, on 02 May 2015 - 04:50 AM, said:

the tonnage is perfect as it is, you can bring anything you want

Actually, you can't. I feel most comfortable in light mechs and starting to be totally useless in anything heavier than 55 tons. But still prefer Commandos, Locusts or Jenners. For players like myself it's impossible to fit the low tonnage limit. No way how you could make it with lights only.

Since I know there are other people who's can be effective in assaults (heavies, meds) only, I think we need something more complex. Like if we have 48 mechs per CW drop, there should be some certain range of number of each class (i.e 10 to 14) and with some global tonnage limit (counted for whole drop, not per player). Do you want to one guy bring 4 Direwolfs or Crabs 'cause he is really good in? No problem. But you need to bring another guy with 4 lights only to be able to fit the drop ships load/class limit.

[Smag]

Dirk Le Daring, on 01 May 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

1/1/1/1 would be better, and no tonnage limit.

Also, only allowing a respawn within the 3/3/3/3, as an override to the ability for a team to stack the drop as they please.

EDIT: this is from a player who has never played community warfare, but read a bit lot of bitching.

Honestly?
Not a terrible idea.

[Rushin Roulette]

Actually lets raise the drop limit to 600 Tons so that everyone can take 4 Omega Mechs on the off chance that this hoax mech is ever released, or if people feel like light scouting then they can still take 4 Ares mechs (if PGI ever release 3 and 4 legged mechs).

http://www.sarna.net...ega_(BattleMech)
http://www.sarna.net...res_(BattleMech)

[HelBound]

Before CW I was almost exclusively a light pilot. Just before it dropped I branched out into medium. When it dropped I had to flush out my drop deck with trial assaults/heavies to make it work. Now I have a mech hanger of 40+ mechs, an assortment of mediums, heavies and assaults. I usually utilize a 1/1/1/1 drop deck myself, mechs there in can change depending on the required roll/drop commander.

Point is, I would have LOVED to bring 4 IS light mechs or maybe a few CDA's to bolster it. I'm not the slow stompy loving pilot, I like to run around, jumps around...stick and move. But I adapted, learned some new skills and fleshed out my drop deck.

There is a reason the system is designed the way it is, and for now its working IMO.

Get in a light/medium mech and learn to pilot it. If you don't like the stick and move stuff then jump in a Raven with some LL or perhaps the STD200 Centurion, slow, stompy, deadly.

From light pilot to front tanking Zeus, be the best mechwarrior you can be...dont hamper yourself to a single chassis or weight class.

[Sjorpha]

Livewyr, on 02 May 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

I'd say the 240-250 deck is generous... Were it up to me, we'd have 200ton Max, with increased respawn time for every 10 tons over 160 (Waiting more than one cycle to respawn)

But then, that's just me.

I agree with this, good idea. I also feel the tonnage limit is a bit too high currently, the average tonnage of a mech should be a medium, now you can take 4 heavy mechs if you want, which is a little too generous IMO.

I'm somewhat ok with the current tonnage too, absolutely do not raise it.

The best of course would be to have different limits for different missions/planets/game mode/attack/defense etc.

Edited by Sjorpha, 04 May 2015 - 06:06 AM.

[Mithaw]

Ace Selin, on 01 May 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

So you want to penalize the poor.. .bad idea.

Even without premium time, making c-bills is not a hard task.

I primarily play CW because I like the added survivability of having spare mechs for when I'm inevitably alphaed by the enemy team. Even as a really mediocre player, I've earned enough c-bills over the course of several events and matches to float a respectable IS stable and I've started moving into clan mechs too.

Having a c-bill sink in exchange for more flexibility on drops isn't a terrible idea.