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[Xhaleon]

God this thread is so old.

[JJBussey]

Come on, lets face it, the imperial deathstar from starwars can wipe out everything on this list.

[Zakatak]

Okay, no more Star Trek, no more Warhammer, no more Star Wars. They aren't fun because WH/SW are fantasies with little effort put into scientific consistency. ST is just no fun because they can reroute power from the cupholders to ionic pulse the polarity of the quantum while at warp and a light hour away to blow you up.

Here's one, probably one of the most powerful of the "hard sci-fi" ships. Compare to... whatever. Halo would probably be the closest match.

Omega Destroyer:
Size - 1710m
Acceleration - 60m/s*s
Manuevring - 30 deg/sec
FTL - Hyperspace (speed of plot)
Engagement Range - 800km
Hull - 8m (20x iron strength/heat capacity)
Firing Arc - 360 degrees (half of its weaponry being available at a time)
Weapons -
6x X-Ray Lasers (860kt/sec)
6x Pulse Cannons (200kt/bolt)
2x Missile Launchers (2mt/missile)
12x Point Defense Pulse Guns (1kt/bolt)
Funfact - has a spinny section, huge advantage

Babylon 5 has some of the most consistent visuals in terms of weapon powers, and definetly needs to included more on this forum. Here's a Shadow vessel, if you want to throw that at some of the higher-level options. Enjoy.

Shadow Battlecrab:
Size - 3000m (width)
Acceleration - 60km/s*s
Manuevring - 180 deg/sec
FTL - Hyperspace (speed of plot)
Engagement Range - uh... let's say... a light second
Engagement Range - 600km/s*s
Hull - 1gt threshold
Firing Arc - 120 degrees
Weapons - Particle Ray (300mt/sec)
Funfact - can phase in and out of realspace at will, whenever, with perfect accuracy

Manuevring? Manouvring? Manuveraring? Manuvering? How the hell do you spell it?

Edited by Zakatak, 29 September 2012 - 11:18 PM.

[Zakatak]

Also, because I've become annoyed by Space Marines winning EVERYTHING simply because they are Space Marines. You can split them in half and they are still combat effective, said a guy on the internet. They can punch a tanks armor off, said another guy on the internet. Bolters are more powerful then 30mm cannons, said another guy on the internet. Space Marines can teleport whenever they want, said a guy on the internet. They win because they are Space Marines, said everyone on the internet.

But then again, they've never met Frank Horrigan either.

Frank Horrigan punches Enclave soldiers in half. Frank Horrigan punches Deathclaws so hard they EXPLODE. Frank Horrigan versus Space Marine. Go.

Edited by Zakatak, 29 September 2012 - 11:54 PM.

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

That Warhammer 40k universe is awesome.

[pursang]

Splicerb, on 29 September 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Come on, lets face it, the imperial deathstar from starwars can wipe out everything on this list.

The first one was destroyed by a boy and a single proton torpedo. The second was destroyed with help from a race of sentient teddy bears. When it comes to all-powerful weapons of destruction, I'd say the Death Star(s) are lower on the list...

Edited by pursang, 30 September 2012 - 03:29 AM.

[CCISolitude]

It occurs to me that everyone has missed a vital VITAL point in all their arguments as to who would win.

The obvious solution is obvious.

Pick the universe you personally like the most? Then kill off all the other writing teams.

End of argument.

[Catamount]

Emrys Ap Morgravaine, on 30 September 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

It occurs to me that everyone has missed a vital VITAL point in all their arguments as to who would win.

The obvious solution is obvious.

Pick the universe you personally like the most? Then kill off all the other writing teams.

End of argument.

Eh, that can have unforeseen consequences. Take it from a Trek fan, you don't want Orci and Kurtzman coming in and becoming your writing team

[CCISolitude]

Catamount, on 30 September 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

Eh, that can have unforeseen consequences. Take it from a Trek fan, you don't want Orci and Kurtzman coming in and becoming your writing team

Hahhaaa - good point well made

[1ceTr0n]

Goes without saying...

[Strum Wealh]

So... with the Ender's Game movie set to release in November 2013, where does their "International Fleet" stand in relation to those previously discussed in this thread? And what of the Formics/"Buggers"?

Edited by Strum Wealh, 12 May 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[Catamount]

Well if I recall, the books had even older Earth ships in possession of a weapon that was basically a deus ex machina, the shot's power would simply scale to whatever you were shooting by causing a chain reaction in anything it hit that destroyed the entire object. That's how the Formic homeworld was destroyed.

Who knows how the film might differ from the books, though.

If that was the case, then we're talking about a civilization with literally infinitely powerful weapons. Any sized version of it should be able to destroy anything not protected by some countering technology (energy shielding, etc). Am I remembering incorrectly? (sophomore English in high school wasn't exactly yesterday )

[GonZo626]

listen the answer is easy if we agree that the star wars licensed Expanded Universe is used. Why you ask, http://starwars.wiki...iki/Sun_Crusher. A ship the size of a small fighter that is nearly indestructible and can destroy an entire solar system with one torpedo or whatever the thing does to destroy a sun.

[Strum Wealh]

GonZo626, on 13 May 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

listen the answer is easy if we agree that the star wars licensed Expanded Universe is used. Why you ask, http://starwars.wiki...iki/Sun_Crusher. A ship the size of a small fighter that is nearly indestructible and can destroy an entire solar system with one torpedo or whatever the thing does to destroy a sun.

The Sun Crusher achieves its star-killing ability through the use of "resonance torpedoes", which are basically on-par with the Nova Bombs from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda (which can also be mounted on fighter-sized craft).

Catamount, on 12 May 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Well if I recall, the books had even older Earth ships in possession of a weapon that was basically a deus ex machina, the shot's power would simply scale to whatever you were shooting by causing a chain reaction in anything it hit that destroyed the entire object. That's how the Formic homeworld was destroyed.

Who knows how the film might differ from the books, though.

If that was the case, then we're talking about a civilization with literally infinitely powerful weapons. Any sized version of it should be able to destroy anything not protected by some countering technology (energy shielding, etc). Am I remembering incorrectly? (sophomore English in high school wasn't exactly yesterday )

From what I've been able to find, the "Doctor Device" seems to be a beam weapon with a relatively limited range (for the purposes of spaceborne warfare); its use against the Formic homeworld would seem to indicate that it is at least (and possibly at most) capable of orbital bombardment. From the description (particularly with how it takes three millennia to miniaturize it to the point of being able to fit into a missile), it sounds like the MD Device follows the "Wave Motion Gun" trope (that is, being a "singular main gun" type of weapon). Do we know anything about the IF's (presumably) more-common ship-to-ship weapons and defenses, or even the size and composition of the IF (e.g. how many of them are actually combat vessels, as opposed to supply ships and such)?

[Straften]

Warhammer OP

[StringyQuark]

this poll is broken...

no firefly...how can i vote on an incomplete ballot

but doesn't matter...

Spoiler

http://youtu.be/Xjnht1k8M7w?t=15s

and if only size matters
(from 10m 5s to 10m 15s explains)

http://youtu.be/rza0dLrRG9s?t=10m5s

the doctor wins.

[guardian wolf]

The only thing I can see working for the IF in Ender's game in a fight with other star ships, would be those lasers mentioned above. Otherwise, they'd be outmanned, out gunned, and out classed by a five to one margin by most other fleets, not to mention Star Wars, which depending on which faction we're talking about here, could be anywhere from 10 to 1 (Mandalorians, and that's being generous), to about 20 to one (High point of Second Sith Empire) or, just screwed, as with the first Sith Empire, and the Star Forge, a factory that can literally produce an unlimited amount of material for war, including ready for battle combat drones, tanks, whole battle cruisers.

[Catamount]

GonZo626, on 13 May 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

listen the answer is easy if we agree that the star wars licensed Expanded Universe is used. Why you ask, http://starwars.wiki...iki/Sun_Crusher. A ship the size of a small fighter that is nearly indestructible and can destroy an entire solar system with one torpedo or whatever the thing does to destroy a sun.

The capability to destroy a star or use a star destructively without destroying it is trivial in Star Trek and a few other franchises, but of course, most of the levels of destruction we see in Wars, in and out of EU, are trivial.

And Star Trek's capabilities are trivial compared to what the Ancients in Stargate, and their rival races (two of which are extant), are capable of.

Wars isn't even close to the top of the heap even with EU (and without, it falls even further).

Strum Wealh, on 13 May 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

From what I've been able to find, the "Doctor Device" seems to be a beam weapon with a relatively limited range (for the purposes of spaceborne warfare); its use against the Formic homeworld would seem to indicate that it is at least (and possibly at most) capable of orbital bombardment. From the description (particularly with how it takes three millennia to miniaturize it to the point of being able to fit into a missile), it sounds like the MD Device follows the "Wave Motion Gun" trope (that is, being a "singular main gun" type of weapon). Do we know anything about the IF's (presumably) more-common ship-to-ship weapons and defenses, or even the size and composition of the IF (e.g. how many of them are actually combat vessels, as opposed to supply ships and such)?

The implication is that their ships are few, slow, and not much beyond our own technology in most respects, but beyond that I couldn't give specifics.

They'd quickly be overwhelmed by any real star-faring power, but still, they could inflict real damage with a weapon like that.

Edited by Catamount, 14 May 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

Splicerb, on 29 September 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Come on, lets face it, the imperial deathstar from starwars can wipe out everything on this list.

Actually i'd say that belongs to the sun destroyer.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

http://youtu.be/9HXz2oOlN0A

IMO really really goof BSG verse vs Star trek
Its a little long in certain areas but other than that I liked it

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 15 May 2013 - 08:20 PM.