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[Ralgas]

Slow day and it'll be here before we know it...... so what will you be using?

Very tempted to take 3 uac/5 with 7 ton of ammo and 3 tons of las backup (shaves 1 ton off max armor if i have my pod space right, and i didn't list the las as i'm still tossing up 6 ersml vs 3 ermed for range vs dmg ). Uses the engine hs only but should be enough, especially once mastered.

Feel free to build it on a hbr in smurfy as you can pod out most EJ hardpoint configs (only add 208 armor to account for es and ff, leaving 30 ton pod space)

[Lord0fHats]

First three I want to throw together are; Dual Gauss, 4x ERLarge, and a 2x UAC5 + 4 ERM/MPulse.

[Ralgas]

Lord0fHats, on 02 May 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

First three I want to throw together are; Dual Gauss, 4x ERLarge, and a 2x UAC5 + 4 ERM/MPulse.

Is dual gauss really going to fly though? It does remind me of my old muromet days, but i dont see enough ammo fitting + backup weapons

[Lord0fHats]

No idea, but it'll be fun

[KodiakGW]

If my math is right (28+ tons free with full armor if I remember corrctly) not counting the possible 2 or more ERML or LPulse...

Dual UAC20 (won't have slots for LBX20s or AC20s)
Dual UAC10
Quad LRM10 chain fire
Streak CB (use the Prime LT for a LPulse)
Dual LBX10 (if they make them more viable)
..and some of the ones mentioned above.

[Paigan]

X * ERLL + X * ERML
As usual

Flame me for it if you feel like it .

[FupDup]

I have no idea why people are so fixated on dual Gauss for this mech. You'll have to strip quite a bit of armor, you have 3 hardwired DHS that are wasted, and no backup guns. It's not necessarily bad per se, but it's not using the mech to its full potential. It's not as optimized as it could be. It can be more efficient.

A more optimal way to use Gauss on the Cauldron is to use 1 Gauss and then mix it with lasers of your choice. You can use 5-6 ERML for a big midrange-shortrange punch, 2 ERLL for sniper trolling, or 2 LPL for general purpose.

Edited by FupDup, 03 May 2015 - 08:02 AM.

[TyphonCh]

FupDup, on 03 May 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

I have no idea why people are so fixated on dual Gauss for this mech. You'll have to strip quite a bit of armor, you have 3 hardwired DHS that are wasted, and no backup guns. It's not necessarily bad per se, but it's not using the mech to its full potential. It's not as optimized as it could be. It can be more efficient.

A more optimal way to use Gauss on the Cauldron is to use 1 Gauss and then mix it with lasers of your choice. You can use 5-6 ERML for a big midrange-shortrange punch, 2 ERLL for sniper trolling, or 2 LPL for general purpose.

So... Exactly like the Timberwolf with less armor, Hellbringer without ECM, and Stormcrow without speed?
Sounds boring...

I'll do my usual and try to be as non meta as possible

[FupDup]

Team Chevy86, on 03 May 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

So... Exactly like the Timberwolf with less armor, Hellbringer without ECM, and Stormcrow without speed?
Sounds boring...

I'll do my usual and try to be as non meta as possible

Technically, the Cauldron has 1 net ton of pod space over the Mad Cat, when 2 hardwired JJs are considered (the average Mad Cat build). You also get higher-mounted ballistics and won't get negative quirks for having high-mounted energy (Mad Cat A does). If you're into CW you also get 10 more tons of dropdeck weight (I don't CW though). You also get more total high-mounted energy, with up to 8 on the CBorn compared to 3 on the Mad Cat.

The CBorn just wasn't built specifically for ballistic boating, or else it wouldn't have those 3 hardwired sinks and it might even have a smaller engine. You CAN do it if you want, but it doesn't make the most efficient use of the base chassis features.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

on paper,dual uac10:s and decent amount of backup weaponry + lots of ammo seems tempting

[The Mechromancer]

Isnt the CB basically better than the hellby in every way? Seems kinda lame.

Locked customization sucks.

Edited by The Mechromancer, 03 May 2015 - 10:38 AM.

[InRev]

The Mechromancer, on 03 May 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

Isnt the CB basically better than the hellby in every way? Seems kinda lame.

Locked customization sucks.

ECM is still a very powerful tool, but in terms of actual firepower, yeah the Ebon Jag is the superior.

IMO, I kind of like that there's an actual trade-off to be made. The Hellby won't necessarily be the immediate choice for "not Timberwolf heavy" anymore, especially since the Ebon Jag can basically mount as much punch as a Timby but for 10 tons less weight.

If only such dynamic choices were present for other weight classes!

[CrushLibs]

Doesn't look like my build will work needs 6 more tons

2 UAC-5s 6 tons ammo and 4 srm-6s with arty and 4 tons of ammo

UAC-5s 14 tons + 6 tons = 20 tons
4 srm-6s 10 tons + 4 tons = 14 tons

Stripping 6 tons of armor would not work well. Maybe work for a pug game with 4 tons and 3 tons of ammo but only gives max damage of 1200 if everything goes 100% and dropping the legs down to 27 points only gives 2 tons free

Edited by CrushLibs, 03 May 2015 - 10:55 AM.

[The Mechromancer]

InRev, on 03 May 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

ECM is still a very powerful tool, but in terms of actual firepower, yeah the Ebon Jag is the superior.

IMO, I kind of like that there's an actual trade-off to be made. The Hellby won't necessarily be the immediate choice for "not Timberwolf heavy" anymore, especially since the Ebon Jag can basically mount as much punch as a Timby but for 10 tons less weight.

If only such dynamic choices were present for other weight classes!

Meh,

I don't think ECM is all that great TBH.

Radar derp + positioning requires no slots, no tonnage, and fulfills the same role.

[Gas Guzzler]

Probably just go for something like 5 cERMLs and gauss, and 2 cLPLs and 3-4 cERMls, and maybe dual gauss just for fun.

[CrushLibs]

KodiakGW, on 03 May 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

If my math is right (28+ tons free with full armor if I remember corrctly) not counting the possible 2 or more ERML or LPulse...

Dual UAC20 (won't have slots for LBX20s or AC20s)
Dual UAC10
Quad LRM10 chain fire
Streak CB (use the Prime LT for a LPulse)
Dual LBX10 (if they make them more viable)
..and some of the ones mentioned above.

HBR is 25 tons with std armor and endo but ENDO -3 tons FF -1 ton so the Ebon should have 29 tons free not 28

If the mech was 70 tons I would be in heaven for my build

[Ursh]

You can pull off cuac10 x 2 with a cerml x 2. Could be pretty nasty dps to hold a corner with, and not very meta at all.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Dual UAC10 sounds like a nasty bit of dakka dakka.

[Brody319]

None. I'll be playing the Executioner.

[Scout Derek]

4x or 3x LRM 15

4x ERML

1x TAG

1 or.5 Tons to Armor

Large Amount of LRM Ammo