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[Molossian Dog]

Navid A1, on 04 May 2015 - 02:11 AM, said:

...My questions was because i could not replicate that so called god mode in neither the timby nor the crow. They run too hot and are fragile based on my experience:...

Well, which Mech is NOT fragile in your experience?

If you really want to know fragile take an IS medium Mech.

[Navid A1]

Molossian Dog, on 04 May 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Well, which Mech is NOT fragile in your experience?

If you really want to know fragile take an IS medium Mech.

umm...only stalker comes to mind.
yup IS mediums are very fragile. I only have piloted centurions though (and enforcers a bit)

[Nothing Whatsoever]

I like this build for the Timby.

[Juodas Varnas]

Ace Selin, on 04 May 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Do you really not get the difference?

The Orion can only carry 14 tons of weapons versus the Timberwolfs 28 tons, disregarding the Twolf is still faster also.
But to compete damage output wise with a Twolf people need to put an XL engine in the Orion, which again has a severe disadvantage in that the mech dies after losing one side torso, not to mention the Orion hardpoints arent great.

The Timberwolf has it all, speed, durability, versatility, JJ if required, great hard-points and a Clan XL engine.
The Timberwolf is actually too good a mech compared to all others in its class. The Stormcrow is in a similar position for medium mechs, just too good for its weight.

Uhh...
I'm actually part of the "Timbergods are op" crowd, thank you very much.
I was talking about the argument that IS standard engines are more durable than Clan XL engines, which they aren't because if an IS mech loses both its side torsos, it's as good as dead (99% it'll be disarmed) as opposed to be actually dead.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 04 May 2015 - 02:26 AM.

[Chagatay]

1. Maybe but I would argue that Stormcrow is even better ton for ton. As a general rule (my own opinion), clan mechs are the better generalist platforms. IS make for better specialized platforms.
2. A Stalker individually is certainly not OP but with the increased drop limits for IS that is a great deal of metal to burn through. 12 Stalkers is scary!
3. Meta in MWO is defined by the game developer choices and environment layouts (sadly). It would be nice if this was driven by the players more and you had a rock/paper/scissors like meta but this is so far not present. ECM heavy use dictates less and less LRM use. Long firing lanes and long choke points in CW generally favor long range weaponry/poke warfare. Long duration of matches in CW means that mechs will generally be equipped for longer engagements (i.e lasers or ammo++ versions).
4. Event was clearly biased towards clan. IS never had rush the generator mode. Light rushes are still very effective and I believe that this mode favors attackers whether IS or Clan.

[Kh0rn]

My self as a pilot I will not and never have piloted any thing in the meta line. I will avoid it at all costs and will not follow the herd. I pilot the Atlas most of the time but if I have too pilot other mechs for CW I will always use the underdog chassis. Too me being a good pilot is not using the best mech with the best build its taking normal or underdog chassis and doing well with them. That is what a good pilot is in my books. I took many top tier chassis for tests and got high scores just about every round with little too no effort.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 03 May 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

Skill has nothing to do with piloting Timberwolf. In fact it is often the opposite. Timbie and Crow give bad pilots chance to get to the fight and do some damage while surviving a side torso destruction--in other words, a crutch.

So they are balanced for those players with less than average skills?

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 May 2015 - 03:18 AM, said:

So they are balanced for those players with less than average skills?

On the contrary, those with less than average skill can do better than their average in a Timbie or a Crow cause those two mechs are fast enough, tough enough, and lethal enough all at the same time. Their IS counterparts must sacrifice one or two aspects to gain the third. Hence I call those two "crutch".
Bad players using IS mechs tend to either melt in 2 seconds due to side-torso shots, or get left behind due to slow speed, or does very little damage.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2015 - 03:28 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2015 - 03:21 AM, said:

On the contrary, those with less than average skill can do better than their average in a Timbie or a Crow cause those two mechs are fast enough, tough enough, and lethal enough all at the same time. Their IS counterparts must sacrifice one or two aspects to gain the third. Hence I call those two "crutch".
Bad players using IS mechs tend to either melt in 2 seconds due to side-torso shots, or get left behind due to slow speed, or does very little damage.

I think I need to test this hypothesis.See if I can do better than my average... or better than my best while using a TW. Which one is the supposed best?

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 May 2015 - 03:58 AM, said:

I think I need to test this hypothesis.See if I can do better than my average... or better than my best while using a TW. Which one is the supposed best?

That depends on your weapon preference. To get the easiest high score, configure your Timbie or Crow with laser vomit build. 2x CLPLs + 4-5 CERMLs (1 less CLPL for the Crow), or just boat CMPLs. Timbie-C variant with one S side torso is pretty good.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2015 - 04:03 AM, said:

That depends on your weapon preference. To get the easiest high score, configure your Timbie or Crow with laser vomit build. 2x CLPLs + 4-5 CERMLs, or just boat CMPLs. Timbie C has with one S side torso is pretty good.

High scores don't impress me. I'm a workingman's player.

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 May 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

High scores don't impress me. I'm a workingman's player.

Just try it out. You will get high scores in addition to K/A, whether you want it or not. Just remember not to overheat like a rookie. I remember getting 3 kills in my first ever match with it. Was laughing uncontrollably.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2015 - 04:11 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2015 - 04:07 AM, said:

Just try it out. You will get high scores in addition to K/A, whether you want it or not. Just remember not to overheat like a rookie. I remember getting 3 kills in my first ever match with it. Was laughing uncontrollably.

DIRE WOLF DWF-B Matches:3 Wins:2 Losses:1 ERA:2.00 Kills:1 Deaths:3 ERA:0.33 Average Damage: 279

Does teh Timber have to completely unlocked to experience this amazing improvement?

[Gyrok]

Onmyoudo, on 03 May 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

1) It's considered OP because it's actually OP.
2) It's not considered OP (by some) because it has an array of weaknesses such as slow speed, easy to destroy side torsos prevent XL use, reliance on a single loadout on a single variant based entirely around quirks which could feasibly be changed on any given patch, and a false "effectiveness" that only makes it as good as it is due to the current metagame. The Timberwolf does not have any such limitations.
3) It's created by equipment potency.
4) The IS had more good units, and the mechanics of the invasion system are dumb.

TL;DR: No, you are not more skilled because you pilot a Timberwolf.

1.) BS! The TW is just a good heavy mech that is driven en masse by many good pilots. If you look at it, legitimately look at it...it is a good mech, but now that the JJ animation is fixed, the hit boxes are exposed for what they are...and they are not good...at all...
2.) BS! The 4N can out DPS the "most OP" mech in the game according to you. The 4N can out DPS any TW build...not OP? I call foul.
3.) IS weapons with quirks make clan weapons look like pop guns...please...
4.) The clans had some of the best units in the game playing for them...or did SJR, MS, EmP, and the many very strong loyalist units suddenly become chopped liver because you want to believe it was skill and not the OP quirked mechs you guys used to keep it close?

El Bandito, on 04 May 2015 - 04:07 AM, said:

Just try it out. You will get high scores in addition to K/A, whether you want it or not. Just remember not to overheat like a rookie. I remember getting 3 kills in my first ever match with it. Was laughing uncontrollably.

So...?

My first match in a SHD-2H had 3xAC2 back in the day...it was unbasic'ed and I put up 1100 damage and 7 kills...

By comparison, it seems the SHD was more OP...

Molossian Dog, on 04 May 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Well, which Mech is NOT fragile in your experience?

If you really want to know fragile take an IS medium Mech.

Except any of them with a STD engine...

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 May 2015 - 04:40 AM, said:

DIRE WOLF DWF-B Matches:3 Wins:2 Losses:1 ERA:2.00 Kills:1 Deaths:3 ERA:0.33 Average Damage: 279

Does teh Timber have to completely unlocked to experience this amazing improvement?

Nope. Basic Timbie (or even the Crow) can do way better than that crappy score.

Gyrok, on 04 May 2015 - 05:08 AM, said:

stuff

I know you probably tried to say some ridiculous counter-argument about how Timbie is not as strong as IS mechs but thankfully I ignored your widely known biased arse yesterday, so I do not get to see the post up close.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2015 - 05:15 AM.

[Molossian Dog]

Oh, Gyrok...

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

Nope. Basic Timbie (or even the Crow) can do way better than that crappy score.

Must be you then. Cause I did not get those results using a basic Timbie

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 May 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

Must be you then. Cause I did not get those results using a basic Timbie

Bad game happens. Try a dozen more matches and post the score. What score did you get anyway?

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2015 - 05:18 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

Bad game happens. Try a dozen more matches and post the score. What score did you get anyway?

I don't remember, but it was pathetic.

[Kh0rn]

The jump jet problem will never be fixed unless the entire jump jet system is reworked too that of MWLL where it is a jump and not this bunny hop hover jet. And further more the TW in MWLL is not OP it is good for what it was build for with each variant having its pros and cons.