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#1 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 01:52 AM

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Finally, 3 months later, I got around to getting the tutorial done. It's just a basic explanation of how finicky torso hardpoints work on the Banshees. It's not a real guide on actually making a build but should help newer players understand how to get the weapons where they want them.




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I'm putting together a beginner tutorial on how to manage the multiple energy and ballistics hardpoints found on the Banshee. As most of you know, weapon type and placement order can impact where the weapon is actually placed on the Banshees.

I have the 3M and 3E. I used to have the 3S, but sold it a while ago, and I've never had the hero. So, for those of you who do have those mechs, I'm asking for your help to confirm a few things.

3S Right LeftTorso: Is whatever ballistic you put in the single ballistic slot going to be low? If I remember correctly, yes.

3S Left RightTorso:
-Does the missile hardpoint have any impact on where the energy weapons are mounted? I don't remember if it does, but I'm assuming no.
-Does it follow the same rule as the 3M and 3E energy torso? The rule: (ER)PPCs only end up on the high shoulder mounts if you have 2 PPCs already. For all other energy weapons: After putting in one weapon (which will always be in the hip), the rest will be in the high shoulder (unless it's a PPC).

3S Center Torso: Does whatever you put in here end up in the middle of the chest? I can't remember.

LM Head: Does whatever you put in here end up in the "mouth," as opposed to the other Banshees, where it's in the right temple area?

LM Left Torso:
-Is the ballistic always low? I'm assuming yes.
-Is the energy, if it is a non-PPC, always high? I'm assuming yes.
-Where does the energy weapon end up, if it is a (ER)PPC? No idea.
-Does the order or type or ballistic impact where the energy hardpoint is? No idea.

Thanks for the help guys!

Edited by Takashi Uchida, 28 August 2015 - 01:42 AM.


#2 Tahribator

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:12 AM

All the answers to your 3S questions are yes (you mixed up left and right torsos though).

As for the LM, since it only has a single E in its LT it always occupies the lower slot no matter if it's a PPC or a laser. The ballistic hardpoint has no influence on the position of the E weapon.

This is also a reason why LM is said to be inferior to other BNCs. Its weapon mounts are extremely low, forcing you to get out of cover to fire. If PGI made its E+B mounts on the left shoulder actually high-mounted, then it'd suddenly become much more popular.

#3 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:20 AM

Thanks for the quick response (and I've read your Banshee write-up, it's great).

I'm a bit confused about the energy on the LT of the Malinche though. It appears in this picture (might be outdated) that the LT laser is high mounted. I don't have the client in front of me right now, it could be different.

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Edited by Takashi Uchida, 04 May 2015 - 02:22 AM.


#4 Tahribator

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:29 AM

You're right, looks like I derped (I don't have the LM). The LT energy is indeed shoulder mounted as seen in a recent video.

#5 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:36 AM

Ha, I just did the same thing and looked for vids too (I should have made a due dilligence effort before posting). This one's from 12/2014. Looks like shoulder to me, too.

https://youtu.be/wRHKG2krbIw?t=2m24s

#6 Tahribator

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:51 AM

It's definitely on the shoulder. Looking forward to your guide!

#7 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 03:09 AM

Still need a confirmation on where an (ER)PPC will end up on the Malinche's LT. This post from last December suggests it's waist-mounted.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 04:01 AM

Here's one of my BNC-3S builds, UAC/5, 3x PPCs. The only way to push a PPC to the top RT shoulder is with 4x PPCs (which is a very impractical build. Ballistic in LT is very low. I've tried so many 3S builds and never really been able to love this mech like my others.

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#9 TercieI

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 05:05 AM

I'd add to Jorunn's post that PPCs and lasers behave differently on the 3S. Only one laser ever goes in the belly, and no laser ever goes on top of the shoulder like the fourth PPC. Really odd.

#10 Jorunn

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 05:18 AM

Here's my LaMalinche with AC10 down low and LPL in LT way up high in the shoulder next to the head (little hard to see it), head ML is in the mouth. I have really grown to love this mech as a money maker killer with average damage above 600-700 and many 1000+ damage matches.

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Swapped AC10 for LBX and was able to fit the PPC to show placement is down low.
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#11 WonderSparks

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 05:20 AM

View PostTakashi Uchida, on 04 May 2015 - 03:09 AM, said:

Still need a confirmation on where an (ER)PPC will end up on the Malinche's LT. This post from last December suggests it's waist-mounted.

Aff, the (ER) PPC ends up on the mount just to the left of the ballistic point, something I was banking on when I bought my LM on sale (so I could stuff a PPC in beside the AC/10). Have not checked what happens when the autocannon is removed, but I am thinking it probably stays put. I will go check that now, just for you. :)

EDIT: Well, I sort of got beat to the punch (nice colors, Jorunn :D ), but yes, it seems that a PPC or ER PPC will always be mounted on the La Malinche's hip, regardless of ballistic weapon. :P

Edited by WonderSparks, 04 May 2015 - 05:23 AM.


#12 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 03:35 PM

Thanks for the help everyone, I'll see if I can crank the video out when I have time over the next few days. Will post here when it's done for proofing

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 07:12 PM

Thanks WonderSparks, I'm always red and black, it came out interestingly with the La Malinche pattern and the dark green was a nice accent.

I was running my Thunderbolt the other day and saw another guy in a 3S with red and black tiger stripes and said "hey that's my mech!" lol What are the odds?

#14 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 12:42 AM

BNC "The Skin Condition" :lol:

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#15 Jorunn

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 04:29 AM

LOL Takashi, that's crazy looking

The Banshee answer to the DireStar... Makes me want to go back and play with my old PPC boat I used to chainfire up and down the right and left side, silly me never thought to alpha before watching the Direstar videos.

Update to that, tried it in the testing grounds and self destructed HOT HOT lol you apparently need a LOT more heatsinks...

Edited by Jorunn, 05 May 2015 - 06:45 PM.


#16 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 28 August 2015 - 01:50 AM

bump, finally did it lol

#17 Jorunn

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 06:44 PM

Very well done Takashi!

#18 Takashi Uchida

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 08:24 PM

Thanks! For some reason, my Shadowplay doesn't capture the mouse in-game. I had to compensate with dragging stuff around and using the very basic subtitle feature in windows movie maker lol





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