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[Wild_Alaskan]

Greetings, all!

I've been running MWO with this card: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130395 and getting about 25-28 FPS with everything on low.

Today I installed this card: http://www.newegg.co...Item=14-121-439 It looks better on paper, but it's running in the 15-17 FPS range.

I've tried resetting MWO's video settings, updating the drivers, switching from DX9 to DX11, and nothing seems to improve the frame rate. Why is the "better" card slower?

[Bill Lumbar]

I don't believe anyone can give you the answer you seek with out your full system specs being listed... CPU, is it Overclocked, Ram specs and amount, motherboard, hard drive, Power source you have/wattage/brand...etc etc? Please list complete specs of your rig, and I am sure that others will give you advice on the questions you have asked.

Also need to know what monitor you are running, size, screen res... 1080P, 1440P, 1920x1080, etc. etc.

To be honest, looking at the card you had, and the one you went with, they are not even considered Mid end graphics cards for this game.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 06 May 2015 - 04:12 AM.

[Flapdrol]

http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-7.html

Not really an upgrade, more of a sidegrade. The new card supports dx11, but isn't any faster.

Not sure why it's giving worse results though.

[FlipOver]

Also remember MWO is still CPU bound, so a change of GPU with so little in difference from each other without upgrading the CPU wont do you any good, unfortunately.

[Flapdrol]

FlipOver, on 06 May 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

Also remember MWO is still CPU bound

With those cards, probably not.

[xWiredx]

Honestly, if there isn't a problem with the old card, I'd get my money back for the new one and save until you've got money for a real upgrade.

There aren't a lot of logical explanations here as far as the performance issue itself. Maybe extremely old and weak CPU could be holding back the new card a bit due to newer driver overhead or something crazy. Maybe control panel settings are default set for quality over performance or there are features that are on that shouldn't be. Maybe you need to do a clean install, meaning remove all the drivers for any videocard that are still on your system and then fresh install the best drivers for the new card. Maybe you need to run the repair tool and clear out the shader cache for MWO. Just a few thoughts.

[gaIaxor]

I guess your new card is slower because it has less memory bandwidth (only a 64bit instead of a 128bit memory bus). You can check your memory speed with with GPU-Z.

Memory Clock 800 (GDDR3)
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 25.6 (GDDR3) and 16.0 (DDR2)
http://www.geforce.c.../specifications

Memory Clock 533-900 MHz (1.066-1.8 Gbps)
Memory Bandwidth 8.5-12.8 GB/s (DDR3)
http://www.amd.com/d...ktop/6000/6450#

[Lord Letto]

According to This, You Old Card is Better Except when it comes to Memory Bandwidth & Max TDP : http://www.hwcompare...d-6450-oem-1gb/

Also, They are by No means Gaming Cards (Well, Maybe the 9500GT was way back in the day, but nowadays they're both low end cards that's only good for watching HD Videos, if that even) if you want a good entry level GPU for Gaming, I'd say look for a Nvidia GT 730 64 Bit GDDR5 on the Nvidia side or the Radeon HD 7770 or the R7 250X (or if you can find a R7 260X for $20 more with a $20 MIR and don't mind filling out the MIR, then go for the 260X). Toms Hardware got them listed for best Entry Level GPUs:
http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-2.html

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Our entry-level recommendation is Nvidia's GeForce GT 730 64-bit GDDR5. This card is essentially a GeForce GT 630 with more memory bandwidth. As a result, it lands between its predecessor and the GeForce GTX 650. That's a great starting point for gamers on a tight budget. If you're in the market for a solid sub-$100 discrete board, just be sure you have the 64-bit GDDR5 version in your shopping cart; the 128-bit model is actually slower due to a less powerful GPU.

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AMD's Radeon HD 7770, re-branded as the Radeon R7 250X, can be found for around $100. That gives you 1GB of GDDR5 graphics memory, which should be good for great frame rates at 1680x1050 and playable performance at 1920x1080 with quality dialed back in all but the most demanding games. And it sports a fairly fantastic price/performance ratio in the lower-mainstream segment.With that said, AMD's Radeon R7 260X costs about $20 extra, and several models include $20 rebates. If you're willing to fill out the forms to get money back, stepping up should be a no-brainer.

https://pcpartpicker...&sort=a8&page=1

Edited by Lord Letto, 06 May 2015 - 08:52 AM.

[Wild_Alaskan]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

For the curious, I'm running an ASRock Z77 Extreme4 motherboard with an i5-2300 2.8GHz processor and 4GB of ram.

I was trying to save up for a better GPU, but a friend recently upgraded his and offered me this one for $20, so I thought I'd give it a try.

[Telmasa]

Check your temps, too. I can't say enough how much it helps to have your fans actually working via MSI Afterburner or some similar program.

[Catamount]

wfischer, on 06 May 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

For the curious, I'm running an ASRock Z77 Extreme4 motherboard with an i5-2300 2.8GHz processor and 4GB of ram.

I was trying to save up for a better GPU, but a friend recently upgraded his and offered me this one for $20, so I thought I'd give it a try.

What'd he give you?

That CPU isn't 100% ideal, but while it's a little low-clocked it's by now means bad, so with a decent GPU, yeah you might get the occasional slowdown (probably still better than any stock-clocked FX chip ), but the game really should run decently well for you.

[Lord Letto]

Catamount, on 06 May 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

What'd he give you?

That CPU isn't 100% ideal, but while it's a little low-clocked it's by now means bad, so with a decent GPU, yeah you might get the occasional slowdown (probably still better than any stock-clocked FX chip ), but the game really should run decently well for you.

if I understood the OP Correctly, he had a EVGA GeForce 9500GT 1GB 128-Bit DDR2(http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130395)and he was getting 25-28 FPS With Everything on Low

Today, He Installed a ASUS Radeon HD 6450 1GB 64-Bit DDR3 (http://www.newegg.co...Item=14-121-439) that Looked Better on Paper but Lowered his FPS to the 15-17 FPS Range, he tried Resetting the MWO Video Settings, Updating the Drivers, Switching from DX9 to DX11 but nothing seems to improve the FPS and he's wondering why the 6450, is Running Slower than his old 9500 GT when the 6450 is the better Card.

My Guess is the 6450 being the Card his Friend sold him for $20

Edited by Lord Letto, 06 May 2015 - 02:48 PM.

[healybob]

be sure to set your computer to run a max performance for "power savings mode" this can cut your fps by 10-15% on slow systems. (Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Power Options)

As to your machine, that processor and ram count is not bad. But your graphics card is...not good. You should grab ANYTHING that is a gtx 460 or higher/newer or a comparable AMD card.

I've seen MWO run well on an i7 920 and a GTX 275. But that is about as old/slow as I'd go and that 920 was oc'd aggressively.

[Bill Lumbar]

Lord Letto, on 06 May 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

According to This, You Old Card is Better Except when it comes to Memory Bandwidth & Max TDP : http://www.hwcompare...d-6450-oem-1gb/

Also, They are by No means Gaming Cards (Well, Maybe the 9500GT was way back in the day, but nowadays they're both low end cards that's only good for watching HD Videos, if that even) if you want a good entry level GPU for Gaming, I'd say look for a Nvidia GT 730 64 Bit GDDR5 on the Nvidia side or the Radeon HD 7770 or the R7 250X (or if you can find a R7 260X for $20 more with a $20 MIR and don't mind filling out the MIR, then go for the 260X). Toms Hardware got them listed for best Entry Level GPUs:
http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-2.html





https://pcpartpicker...&sort=a8&page=1

Yeah... I think back in the day I picked up a 9500gt at worst buy, and tried to play Dawn of War with it. It ended up not giving the frames I wanted at the higher settings even for that game. I took it back and got a refund and went with a BFG 8800gtx and was able to crank up the eyecandy to max settings. Save up for a better graphics card, maybe OC that Cpu if you can, and you should be all good.

Catamount, on 06 May 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

What'd he give you?

That CPU isn't 100% ideal, but while it's a little low-clocked it's by now means bad, so with a decent GPU, yeah you might get the occasional slowdown (probably still better than any stock-clocked FX chip ), but the game really should run decently well for you.

Omg... here we go again about FX chips!

[Tarl Cabot]

The i5-2300 2.8GHz is can not be overclocked by any great means. The best you can do with it is approx 3.3ghz as it is a limited unlocked core, and the higher in speed, the fewer cores affected.

http://www.xbitlabs....0_11.html#sect0

With that said, the motherboard will accept the Sandy and Ivy bridge i-5 K-version CPUs, 2500k, 3570k (4 core). Both can be OC to 4.2 or greater with a decent heatsink, the current sweet spot for MWO with a decent GPU. Looking around the 3570k is readily available, at Microcenter for $170 pickup

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 06 May 2015 - 07:38 PM.

[CMetz]

I agree wholeheartedly with the suggestion to run an R7 260X. I recently picked one up for $115 (sapphire) with a $20 rebate. I paired it up with an FX-8320 processor on my backup machine and am able to play the game with shadows and particles set to low, everything else on high with a framerate of 40-55 depending on the situation.

[Flapdrol]

Tarl Cabot, on 06 May 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

The i5-2300 2.8GHz is can not be overclocked by any great means. The best you can do with it is approx 3.3ghz as it is a limited unlocked core, and the higher in speed, the fewer cores affected.

http://www.xbitlabs....0_11.html#sect0

With that said, the motherboard will accept the Sandy and Ivy bridge i-5 K-version CPUs, 2500k, 3570k (4 core). Both can be OC to 4.2 or greater with a decent heatsink, the current sweet spot for MWO with a decent GPU. Looking around the 3570k is readily available, at Microcenter for $170 pickup

This is false, on socket 1155 you can overclock non K cpu's 400 MHz with P67, Z68 and Z77 boards. Or a little bit more if you cheat with the baseclock a bit too.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Flapdrol, on 07 May 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

This is false, on socket 1155 you can overclock non K cpu's 400 MHz with P67, Z68 and Z77 boards. Or a little bit more if you cheat with the baseclock a bit too.

The same way you overclock Xeons

[StainlessSR]

Lord Letto, on 06 May 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

According to This, You Old Card is Better Except when it comes to Memory Bandwidth & Max TDP : http://www.hwcompare...d-6450-oem-1gb/

Also, They are by No means Gaming Cards (Well, Maybe the 9500GT was way back in the day, but nowadays they're both low end cards that's only good for watching HD Videos, if that even) if you want a good entry level GPU for Gaming, I'd say look for a Nvidia GT 730 64 Bit GDDR5 on the Nvidia side or the Radeon HD 7770 or the R7 250X (or if you can find a R7 260X for $20 more with a $20 MIR and don't mind filling out the MIR, then go for the 260X). Toms Hardware got them listed for best Entry Level GPUs:
http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-2.html

https://pcpartpicker...&sort=a8&page=1

If you are going to be buying a card I would purchase nothing lower tier than an Nvidia 750ti (best for stock power supplies) or Amd R7-260x and be sure to get the 2GB version. Anything less and you would just really be throwing your money away. Also remember, what is a low level gaming card (750ti/R7-260x) this year will be obsolete in two years or so.

Just FYI I run a 650ti boost(same tier) with an I5-2500 at 4.2GHz and stay pretty much pegged at 59fps(bounce 45-59 at stock 3.3). Running a 750ti on my sons I3-2100 nets him 30-50fps(depending on fight/map). Used to run a 7770 in the I3 but can't remember the fps it was getting but it was very playable.


PS: for all the comments about 1gb is enough. It used to be but isn't anymore most graphics heavy games have a recommended size of 2GB or more. And if you are going to be spending money why not get more. (it is a different set of circumstances when you already own the card)

[Kuritaclan]

What StainlessSR said i support. But to be honest if you are really low on budget then get a second hand card like a GTX 680, GTX760, GTX770 or a AMD R9 280, 280X or 7950/7970 - those should be with a got pick on the same price level like a new GTX 750TI or R7 260X and outperform those.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 07 May 2015 - 05:52 PM.