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[luxebo]

Because it's disrespectful to give IS all these god trials and then theres the Mist Lynx Prime stock. RIP Mist Lynx.

I vote in The B33f to just outright make every single trial, since each and every one of his are pretty strong/up to date and let new players try out things of most tastes.

In my opinion, we should allow one trial to be LRMing, one SRMing, one SSRMing, one laser vomit (CLPL + CMPL/CML/CSPL/CSL), one long range laser vomit (CER LL), one gauss vomit, etc etc etc until players can get a feel for the goods and bads of both IS and Clan, while also feeling better about moving on to buying their own mechs.

As of right now, only have a few ideas for each.
Mist Lynx: 2xMGs 2xSRM6s, or 4x ER MLs (best), or 1 ER LL, 1 ER ML.
Kit Fox: 2x ER LL (best), or 4xASRM6s, or 4xSSRM4s.
Adder: 1xCLPL 3xER ML (best), or 4xCMPLs, or the same aforementioned SRM/SSRM builds.
Ice Ferret: 1xCLPL 2xER ML, or 4/5xER ML/SPL (best), or some SRM build (not likely SSRM).
Nova: 2xER PPC (best), or 6xCSL/CSPL, 4xMGs.
Stormcrow: 1x CGauss 3/4 ER MLs (best), or 1xCLPL, 4/5 ER MLs, or SSRM/SRM builds again (5xeach + 1xER ML). There really isn't a preference in my head atm, they all are good, so just pick one where the others don't outright do better (like if Gauss vomit is worse on other mechs this will be the gauss vomitter).
Mad Dog: 6xALRM5s and TAG + ER MLs is good (best considering no other very very good LRMers), otherwise SRM6/SSRM6 builds (x6).
Hellbringer: 4xER LL (best) or 1xLPL 4/5/6 ER MLs, or 1xCGauss 4xER MLs.
Summoner: 1xCGauss 1xER PPC (best), or SRM/SSRM boating, or gauss vomit again.
Timber Wolf: 2xUAC5 4/5 ER MLs (best to teach that there's more than lasers, SRMs, and Gauss), or just the same laser vomit/gauss vomit/srm/ssrm vomit.
Garg: LBX might be interesting, but otherwise it's likely to be SL/SPL vomit (best, teaches knife fighting), or CGauss 4xER ML build.
Warhawk: 4xCLPL, 2xCLPL 2xER ML 1xCGauss, or LBX20, 3/4 ASRM6s, 2/3 ER ML/SPLs (best, different from the simple).
Dire Wolf: 6xUAC5 is simple and easy, but can be 5xUAC5 3/4 ER MLs, or 2xCGauss, 2xER LL/CLPL, and 4xCER ML.

[luxebo]

Wow. So ya'll just want good trials for IS and just leave the stock Clan mechs as trials?

[Poisoner]

4xLL is not the best HBR build.

[Juodas Varnas]

Poisoner, on 06 May 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

4xLL is not the best HBR build.

Trial mechs shouldn't be BEST POSSIBLE BUILDS...

Overall, i agree that clan mechs need non-stock trials.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 06 May 2015 - 08:20 PM.

[Sergeant Random]

Someone might say something about stock omnipods.

[bad arcade kitty]

>Kit Fox: 2x ER LL (best), or 4xASRM6s, or 4xSSRM4s.

2 streak-6 + 2 streak 4 is better imo... but both srm and ssrm builds mean losing ecm

>Nova: 2xER PPC (best), or 6xCSL/CSPL, 4xMGs

definitely need more than 6 spl, 10 or so

>Stormcrow: 1x CGauss 3/4 ER MLs (best), or 1xCLPL, 4/5 ER MLs, or SSRM/SRM builds again (5xeach + 1xER ML).

imo ml is a waste on the streak crow

>Mad Dog: 6xALRM5s and TAG + ER MLs is good (best considering no other very very good LRMers), otherwise SRM6/SSRM6 builds (x6)

isn't lrm-5 a bit too low

[Tiamat of the Sea]

This initial proposal would likely result in some kind of insane hilarity. Which is why it shouldn't be seriously done.

Rather, I'd like to see each Clan Omni go through a two part voting process instead.

First, a forum poll as to which variant should be the representative trial 'mech.

Second, a set of forum topics like we now have for the IS champions, where forumgoers post builds and then vote on them via 'likes'.

[luxebo]

@Poisoner
Unless we give TBR-A pods to a trial (which sounds awful), it's probably better to give it to Hellbringer (10 less tonnage, + ECM + high points).

bad arcade kitty, on 06 May 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

>Kit Fox: 2x ER LL (best), or 4xASRM6s, or 4xSSRM4s.
2 streak-6 + 2 streak 4 is better imo... but both srm and ssrm builds mean losing ecm
>Nova: 2xER PPC (best), or 6xCSL/CSPL, 4xMGs
definitely need more than 6 spl, 10 or so
>Stormcrow: 1x CGauss 3/4 ER MLs (best), or 1xCLPL, 4/5 ER MLs, or SSRM/SRM builds again (5xeach + 1xER ML).
imo ml is a waste on the streak crow
>Mad Dog: 6xALRM5s and TAG + ER MLs is good (best considering no other very very good LRMers), otherwise SRM6/SSRM6 builds (x6)
isn't lrm-5 a bit too low

For Kit Fox, I think ER LLs give most flexibility (+ ECM), while SSRM/SRM could be for the Adder or something.
Nova could be good with a bunch of SL/SPL but depends on heat, MGs, etc.
ML boating is a waste, but it's a good combo weapon with LPL and Gauss. For Streakcrow, yeah tag might be better, but for splatter, it's worthwhile.
Mad Dog is probably easiest with 6xLRM5. Nobody is gonna use LRM15s/20s on such a thing (maybe at most 10s, but 5s are a safe bet).

[Vandul]

If you give those to the B33f, its going to be small lasers, disco balls, and Krewella.

[Joseph Mallan]

luxebo, on 06 May 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Wow. So ya'll just want good trials for IS and just leave the stock Clan mechs as trials?

Wait your turn. It took us months if not over a year to get Stock Champions in the trial list.

[Widowmaker1981]

Quickdraw Crobat, on 06 May 2015 - 09:55 PM, said:

This initial proposal would likely result in some kind of insane hilarity. Which is why it shouldn't be seriously done.

Rather, I'd like to see each Clan Omni go through a two part voting process instead.

First, a forum poll as to which variant should be the representative trial 'mech.

Second, a set of forum topics like we now have for the IS champions, where forumgoers post builds and then vote on them via 'likes'.

No, because then things happen like all new players think Hellbringers are AWFUL because no variant is anything other than awful (40 ton mech armour LOL)

What should happen, imo, is a build should be made using the stock omnipods for the Prime in each case, but not stock loadouts. For a start torso armour should always be max possible.

[Fate 6]

Stock Stormcrow-Prime - why change what isn't broke. Can probably keep the Timber Wolf-Prime stock as well. Everything else needs work.

[Joseph Mallan]

Widowmaker1981, on 07 May 2015 - 03:56 AM, said:

No, because then things happen like all new players think Hellbringers are AWFUL because no variant is anything other than awful (40 ton mech armour LOL)

What should happen, imo, is a build should be made using the stock omnipods for the Prime in each case, but not stock loadouts. For a start torso armour should always be max possible.

Present Jager has typical Jager Armor. Which is not even close to full.

Don't get me wrong, I always get as close to max armor as I can, but we are playing a BattleTech game. in the StarTrek online game the Starships do not start out with max everything. And in SWTOR I have to be 10th level before I can use a Light Saber. No game I know starts with optimal equipment out of the gates.

[Widowmaker1981]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 May 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

Present Jager has typical Jager Armor. Which is not even close to full.

Don't get me wrong, I always get as close to max armor as I can, but we are playing a BattleTech game. in the StarTrek online game the Starships do not start out with max everything. And in SWTOR I have to be 10th level before I can use a Light Saber. No game I know starts with optimal equipment out of the gates.

The point here is to make trial mechs as easy to use and optimal as possible, while taking into account they will never be truly optimal due to not having any unlocks. Carrying over lunatic design choices from FASA 20 years ago isnt helpful

[Lostdragon]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 May 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

Present Jager has typical Jager Armor. Which is not even close to full.

Don't get me wrong, I always get as close to max armor as I can, but we are playing a BattleTech game. in the StarTrek online game the Starships do not start out with max everything. And in SWTOR I have to be 10th level before I can use a Light Saber. No game I know starts with optimal equipment out of the gates.

Yeah, but in those examples you get eased into more and more difficult challenges and the progression is designed to teach you to use your skills as you learn them. It's apples to oranges, MWO does not have a leveling process and you get thrown to the wolves in your first match. There is no kiddie pool here.

[luxebo]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 May 2015 - 03:51 AM, said:

Wait your turn. It took us months if not over a year to get Stock Champions in the trial list.

I'm an IS player, I'm not waiting my turn, I'm stating that new players should be given the best they can be given. Not crappy Mist Lynx Prime stuff.

Here, why don't you play a new player account and play 25 matches in that trial and see how you feel.

Vandul, on 07 May 2015 - 03:49 AM, said:

If you give those to the B33f, its going to be small lasers, disco balls, and Krewella.

He already did a post for EVERY trial. I think every trial so look them up, pretty good ones off the bat.

Edited by luxebo, 09 May 2015 - 05:28 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Fate 6, on 07 May 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

Stock Stormcrow-Prime - why change what isn't broke. Can probably keep the Timber Wolf-Prime stock as well. Everything else needs work.

Armour allocation is pretty bad on those two; worst aspect on those mechs (ammo being bad on the timby, but not as bad as armour allocation).