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[Mystere]

LORD TSARKON, on 09 May 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

I"m assuming this is what we are talking about? I took out the name of the cheater... but its pretty freakin blantant cheating if you ask me...





Look at the 2nd gif above..... That Aimbot is just ITCHIN for some Bitchin...

Hope the Ban is a Month or longer.... Person has been playing since 2012.... for shame..

Huh? That looks like how I aim. The only difference is I do it in "green screen" (i.e. night vision).

Edited by Mystere, 09 May 2015 - 08:32 PM.

[Ratpoison]

LORD TSARKON, on 09 May 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

I"m assuming this is what we are talking about? I took out the name of the cheater... but its pretty freakin blantant cheating if you ask me...





Look at the 2nd gif above..... That Aimbot is just ITCHIN for some Bitchin...

Hope the Ban is a Month or longer.... Person has been playing since 2012.... for shame..

He clearly took about a half second to steady his shot, that must be the slowest aimbot of all time. He VERY CLEARLY moves his aim too far and has to recenter it on target.

Also nice gif of that aim jitter bug that's still going around. I get that too sometimes, had it a few times today, it's still quite annoying. That gif might have even been me.

And of course spectator mode is just the perfect tool to tell who is cheating, because it NEVER goes wonky and shows odd things, right?

All you people are doing by advocating name and shame is trying to sate your own sadistic revenge fetish against perceived cheaters(hint, they almost never are, you just want to believe that you aren't such a scrub). Again and again you cast false accusations everywhere and prove exactly why what you're doing is so wrong; you can't even identify real cheaters, and instead you repeatedly name and shame innocent people who didn't do anything wrong other that destroying your scrubby ass. Get out of the dark ages and grow the hell up.

[Johnny Z]

tortuousGoddess, on 09 May 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

He clearly took about a half second to steady his shot, that must be the slowest aimbot of all time. He VERY CLEARLY moves his aim too far and has to recenter it on target.

Also nice gif of that aim jitter bug that's still going around. I get that too sometimes, had it a few times today, it's still quite annoying. That gif might have even been me.

And of course spectator mode is just the perfect tool to tell who is cheating, because it NEVER goes wonky and shows odd things, right?

All you people are doing by advocating name and shame is trying to sate your own sadistic revenge fetish against perceived cheaters(hint, they almost never are, you just want to believe that you aren't such a scrub). Again and again you cast false accusations everywhere and prove exactly why what you're doing is so wrong; you can't even identify real cheaters, and instead you repeatedly name and shame innocent people who didn't do anything wrong other that destroying your scrubby ass. Get out of the dark ages and grow the hell up.

Yep I cant tell if its a bot or not either which means it most likely isnt a bot. Tough to tell either way from that video.

Edited by Johnny Z, 09 May 2015 - 10:36 PM.

[Kilo 40]

they weren't using an aimbot, they were using a wall hack.

they were following the target even when they weren't visible to them.

Wintersdark, on 09 May 2015 - 06:52 PM, said:

That they have no better choices?

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My problem with this deal is that I can't help but think the motivation is false.

I work at a factory; we make plastic bags. Whenever we want something from management, we frame the request as a safety problem. Its not. Everyone knows that. But if a legitimate safety concern is raised and management doesn't act to eliminate the problem and someone gets hurt, they're liable. So, we tend to get the new tool or whatever we needed.

This, to me, has a similar air of falseness. I suspect 99% of those who want disclosure don't really want it to prevent or discourage cheating, though they'd be happy if it had that side effect. They really just want the lurid details, because in gaming circles (or professional sports, royalty, or whatever) everyone loves dirty, scandalous news, particularly if it involves the fall from grace of someone known. The "pro gamer" was cheating? Awesome! When he beat me, it was because hax, not because he was better than me!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not insulting anyone here. After all, I went and looked up the story too, because its a big ****** mess and it hits your sense of curiousity right in the nads.

But let's not kid ourselves: almost everyone really just wants to know who cheated because its juicy news. The fall from grace. And that's why PGI shouldn't disclose that information, it'd just make the forums even more drama filled

spot on

[Karen Supreme]

Mystere, on 09 May 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:

Huh? That looks like how I aim. The only difference is I do it in "green screen" (i.e. night vision).

tortuousGoddess, on 09 May 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

He clearly took about a half second to steady his shot, that must be the slowest aimbot of all time. He VERY CLEARLY moves his aim too far and has to recenter it on target.

Also nice gif of that aim jitter bug that's still going around. I get that too sometimes, had it a few times today, it's still quite annoying. That gif might have even been me.

And of course spectator mode is just the perfect tool to tell who is cheating, because it NEVER goes wonky and shows odd things, right?

All you people are doing by advocating name and shame is trying to sate your own sadistic revenge fetish against perceived cheaters(hint, they almost never are, you just want to believe that you aren't such a scrub). Again and again you cast false accusations everywhere and prove exactly why what you're doing is so wrong; you can't even identify real cheaters, and instead you repeatedly name and shame innocent people who didn't do anything wrong other that destroying your scrubby ass. Get out of the dark ages and grow the hell up.

Johnny Z, on 09 May 2015 - 10:35 PM, said:

Yep I cant tell if its a bot or not either which means it most likely isnt a bot. Tough to tell either way from that video.

I think that it's pretty clear from min 14:40 and on.
Modarete couldn't know enemy was there.
Pure cheating stuff.

[Kilo 40]

I want a shadowcat, on 09 May 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

I think that it's pretty clear from min 14:40 and on.
Modarete couldn't know enemy was there.
Pure cheating stuff.

It's not in that video, but another one where the "accused cheater" actually zooms in, while behind cover for several seconds, then pops out and fires directly on to him.

[Karen Supreme]

Kilo 40, on 09 May 2015 - 10:52 PM, said:

It's not in that video, but another one where the "accused cheater" actually zooms in, while behind cover for several seconds, then pops out and fires directly on to him.

In that one too, imo. The timber is "invisible" there, but she is following it even though the timber has cover, and then hitting always back CT.

(after min 14:40 and on)

Edited by I want a shadowcat, 09 May 2015 - 10:57 PM.

[Kilo 40]

I want a shadowcat, on 09 May 2015 - 10:56 PM, said:

In that one too, imo.

there was a very specific instance I was refering too. But I agree they were cheating there too.

[Imperius]

Shaming cheaters is 100% ok and many games do it, so should PGI for many reasons.

[Mycrus]

TripleEhBeef, on 09 May 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

Well, even though said individual was banned from the game (whoever he was...), they were still a customer of PGI.

gurls are just as capable to cheat as gais.

[Karen Supreme]

Being this thread about cheating, I'll tell you a story.

I was in alpine, long range, a gaus dire piloted by a well know player managed to core me....with one single shot; I had damg to my back armor too.
At more than 1300 metres.
Good stuff.
I think that gauss damage should decrease after 660m+module...so.....
But, you know, it's the same player who manage to do 4-5 head shot in the same match, so he must be a very very good player :/

[meteorol]

If a player who participates in one of MWOs comp teams is banned shortly after being reported for hacking, PGI should clarify if the ban was for hacks. If it wasn't for hacks, don't give the reason, just say not hacks.

Many companies make bannings for hacking public, and honestly, i don't see anything wrong with it. If you chose to hack you got to live with the consequeces. One of them could be that everyone knows you hacked.
Furthermore this would send out a message to all the guys thinking about cheating, or doing it: PGI can detect it, and you will get a permaban for doing it. Maybe it will make some players think twice if they should cheat or not.

[Joey Tankblaster]

Funny to see that already in 2012! the accused Pilot was under suspision to use wallhacks.

[Egomane]

Imperius, on 09 May 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

Shaming cheaters is 100% ok and many games do it, so should PGI for many reasons.

And what are those reasons?

The only reason I see, is to send a message that cheating is acted upon. Everything else is your own personal interest.

It doesn't matter if others do it. Other people are driving their cars to get to the supermarket 100 meters away, so everyone else should be doing the same? No... It is a personal, or in the case of naming cheating players, a company choice.

In this case PGI follows the same standards they have set up for their community, by not naming and shaming them, and I don't see anything bad in that.

[Karen Supreme]

Egomane, on 10 May 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

And what are those reasons?

The only reason I see, is to send a message that cheating is acted upon. Everything else is your own personal interest.

It doesn't matter if others do it. Other people are driving their cars to get to the supermarket 100 meters away, so everyone else should be doing the same? No... It is a personal, or in the case of naming cheating players, a company choice.

In this case PGI follows the same standards they have set up for their community, by not naming and shaming them, and I don't see anything bad in that.

...mmmmmm...

aaand, what if I tell you that the guy I was talking about in my last post (see above) has the tag "volunteer moderator" under his name account?

[Catra Lanis]

To be fair I don't see how it would break any laws (if PGI does it, not some lynch mob). It's not like xXPimpmastha-MothafookaXx is going to have his real life affected by having his nick and nothing else displayed on a wall of shame.

Edited by Catra Lanis, 10 May 2015 - 01:50 AM.

[Egomane]

I want a shadowcat, on 10 May 2015 - 01:44 AM, said:

...mmmmmm...

aaand, what if I tell you that the guy I was talking about in my last post (see above) has the tag "volunteer moderator" under his name account?

It changes nothing! Volunteer Moderators are players like everyone else. They just have special responsibility on the forums. There have already been cases of Volunteer Moderators being banned for rule violations in MWO (and losing their status as a VolMod with it).

Catra Lanis, on 10 May 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

To be fair I don't see how it would break any laws (if PGI does it, not some lynch mob). It's not like [redacted for language] is going to have his real life affected by having his nick and nothing else displayed on a wall of shame.

It wouldn't brake laws. No one said that. It will only break the rules PGI has setup for themself.
Can they change it? Of course they can!
Is there a logical reason to do it? ...

[Macster16]

Eh whatever. Why someone got banned is between PGI and the player who got banned. If others want to know why that particular player got banned, they can go ask the banned player themselves....

And as a FYI, I actually watched said video on B33f's stream that's caused the accusations to arise while being completely oblivious to any of this drama (I have only just read about it now and had never even heard of the player who got banned until now), but the part where said player's reticule jilts and tracks the opponent as they walked through the cave had me going "wtf". But I just thought it was down to spectator mode having a bit of a lag fit or something. If it wasn't, then that's pretty damn blatant.

And if it does turn out that said player was cheating then I gotta ask - how stupid must you be to use hacks in such a publicly broadcast 1v1 match against two very prominent and well known players with so many eyes watching every single move? Certainly they should've known that using hacks in such an event would very likely expose them?

[AlexEss]

three very simple reasons for not publicly naming cheaters.

1: No need to create a phenomena out of nothing. There are enough douchnozzels out there as it is.. at least force them to do their own marketing.

2: If you do not put up a spotlight, nobody will step in to the spot. Or more clearly by publicly shaming cheaters you create a space for a fleeting moment of fame and again.. a good spot for cheaters to advertise their goods.

3: It only serves as a data gathering tool for cheat creators if their "customers" are told exactly what got them caught.

So no... I do not really care one iota if they keep it behind locked doors who and what get a ban. I only care about my self, and to this fay i have 0 game bans and 2 forum bans under my belt... And i have been on the ´net since the days of 14.4 modems. So if someone lack the ability to stay clean... the less i know about him/her the better.

Edited by AlexEss, 10 May 2015 - 04:14 AM.

[meteorol]

Macster16, on 10 May 2015 - 03:16 AM, said:

And if it does turn out that said player was cheating then I gotta ask - how stupid must you be to use hacks in such a publicly broadcast 1v1 match against two very prominent and well known players with so many eyes watching every single move? Certainly they should've known that using hacks in such an event would very likely expose them?

There have been players at pro level cheating in MUCH bigger events and leagues than a tiny 1on1 mwo tournament.
If someone was not able to "git gud" and cheated his way to the top, he can't simply stop using cheats in tournaments, because he otherwise wouldn't be able to compete. I guess people trust into their abilites of remaining unnoticed, especially when using wallhacks.

If you cheated all your way to where you at, you can't stay there without using cheats.