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[Carrioncrows]

Deathlike, on 09 May 2015 - 06:31 PM, said:

I thought this thread would talk about the Gargles Executioner being DOA.


Anyways, the Cauldron Born will serve roles that the Hellbringer didn't have, such as Lurmboat and possibly new Dual Gauss overlord of sorts.

That's about it.

Sorta....

I think it would be like comparing the IS Jager to the Catapult. Different roles. The Cauldron Born is certainly the Jager in this situation.

The ECM of the Loki makes it a natural missile boat.

The CB however will more than likely be a brawling demi-god with AC's, Streaks and high mounted hardpoints.

[Ralgas]

weapon tonnage of a timberwolf vs ecm. The saved 10 tons will make it a cw favorite being EJ, EJ, EJ, shadowcat

A mix of erlpl and ermed las will probably be the preferred layout, and the being more symmetrical with it's hardpoints will make it more combat effective when missing a side torso.

The only thing stopping it from being a near top teir clan mech will be hitboxes/scaling.

Edited by Ralgas, 09 May 2015 - 07:45 PM.

[pbiggz]

You cant do dual gauss on a hellbringer, at least not well. cauldron born has more podspace for it. 30 tons to be exact.

[FupDup]

pbiggz, on 09 May 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

You cant do dual gauss on a hellbringer, at least not well. cauldron born has more podspace for it. 30 tons to be exact.

28.5 tons if you use mostly max armor.

[Ralgas]

Deathlike, on 09 May 2015 - 06:31 PM, said:

I thought this thread would talk about the Gargles Executioner being DOA.


Anyways, the Cauldron Born will serve roles that the Hellbringer didn't have, such as Lurmboat and possibly new Dual Gauss overlord of sorts.

That's about it.

Doubt dual gauss will fly well with only 4.5 tons of ammo and no backup weapons

pbiggz, on 09 May 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

You cant do dual gauss on a hellbringer, at least not well. cauldron born has more podspace for it. 30 tons to be exact.

I made that mistake too, you're fogetting the engine harwired heatsinks.

Edited by Ralgas, 09 May 2015 - 07:39 PM.

[Molossian Dog]

Ralgas, on 09 May 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

...The only thing stopping it from being a near top teir clan mech will be hitboxes/scaling.

So far all Mechs counting as "extra-resilient" have bullet-shaped torsos. Flat, humanoid torsos are just inferior in damage spreading in comparison to narrow and long torsos.

Good torso, high mounted hardpoints, good podspace, clan tech.

I expect it to be top tier.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 09 May 2015 - 07:41 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Xetelian, on 09 May 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

If it really comes that wide it'll suck. DOA

Last time we said the Urbanmech would be DOA. It wasn't.

Now go to the corner, and think about your life...

[Ralgas]

Molossian Dog, on 09 May 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

So far all Mechs counting as "extra-resilient" have bullet-shaped torsos. Flat, humanoid torsos are just inferior in damage spreading in comparison to narrow and long torsos.

Good torso, high mounted hardpoints, good podspace, clan tech.

I expect it to be top tier.

oh i do too, but always add the caveat lest the posts be dug up and used to beat you to death in the future.........

[Kira Onime]

I'm kinda sorta somewhat expecting the Ebon Jag to have a slot in a CW drop deck.

[Alistair Winter]

It'll be interesting to see how the Ebon Jag performs. The Cheetah and the Ebon Jag seem to be in position to continue the power creep, and since everyone hates negative quirks, I imagine we'll have to buff the other Clan lights (a good thing) and Clan heavies (not a good thing) to match the new mechs. And then probably give the Thunderbolt a 50% MPL cooldown bonus to keep up.

The Hellbringer is prettier though

[FupDup]

Alistair Winter, on 09 May 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

The Hellbringer is prettier though

Loki is the most interesting mech in the world.

He doesn't always ECM, but when he does, he ECM's with a 90 kph 65 ton heavy with 6+ high-mounted hardpoints. Stay Clanny my friends.

[Augustus Martelus II]

It was always my favorite mech. I hope it is short on legs....because if its tall like the mad dog i will do a huge facepalm.

[Koniks]

pbiggz, on 09 May 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

You cant do dual gauss on a hellbringer, at least not well. cauldron born has more podspace for it. 30 tons to be exact.

You can. It just has about 2 armor on the LT, LA, and 16 on the legs.

Ralgas, on 09 May 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

Doubt dual gauss will fly well with only 4.5 tons of ammo and no backup weapons

You'll be able to get about 4 tons of ammo on the EJ with 3 ERSLs. Might not be meta but it could be fun.

[Kira Onime]

Mizeur, on 09 May 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

You'll be able to get about 4 tons of ammo on the EJ with 3 ERSLs. Might not be meta but it could be fun.

COuld work in regular pug drops.

[Scout Derek]

KiraOnime, on 09 May 2015 - 08:22 PM, said:

COuld work in regular pug drops.

If you prefer the laser vomit, LURM Boat, or Dual Gauss cheese...

[Hit the Deck]

Andi Nagasia, on 09 May 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

so will the EbonJaguar Just be a HellBringer with a different shape?

No it won't because Ebon Jaguar is better designed (hardpoint locations and their type and numbers). I have written about what Hellbringer lacks here:

Hellbringer Design Critism

Despite of that, it's a boon for Clanners because they share the same tonnage which facilitates easy swapping for a CW dropdeck. Do you want more firepower or ECM cover?

[Koniks]

Scout Derek, on 09 May 2015 - 09:24 PM, said:

If you prefer the laser vomit, LURM Boat, or Dual Gauss cheese...

1 of these things is not like the other. And the other 2 just happen to be among the 3 or 4 most effective loadouts in the game. Hats off to you for giving yourself a challenge.

[El Bandito]

Screw da Hellbies, and screw da Timbies. I'm gonna mount CUAC20 on each arm of the Black Jag and YOLO it all the way in Puglandia. Jag has the tonnage for the ammo and the arm hardpoints for it.

Edited by El Bandito, 10 May 2015 - 09:47 PM.

[Stonefalcon]

Alistair Winter, on 09 May 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

The Hellbringer is prettier though

Oh hell no!! He did not just say that.

The Ebon Jaguar will dominate the heavy category with those high mounted hardpoints, also, the arms should still be able to actuate left and right even with heavy weapons mounted if PGI does it right.

[process]

I'm apprehensive. I don't see much value in high-mounted missile launchers, and sticking a Gauss rifle up there may seem good on paper but I expect it will be an easy target. Other than that, going by the limited concept art, I expect the energy hardpoints will be relatively low. Overall, I don't think this will be any better than a Hellbringer.

It will be interesting to see is the EBJ-A left torso stashes the energy points high, low, or both. That could make it a decent substitute for the Gauss + medium laser Hellbringers.