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[PFC Carsten]

IraqiWalker, on 15 May 2015 - 12:03 AM, said:

For the record, PGI never said that the (P) mechs would be on sale here, and I don't remember them ever saying that the (P) mechs will not be offered again. You can't get the (P) mechs unless you are a phoenix package owner. That is true, and will remain true. XD.

For setting the record straight:
http://mwomercs.com/...t-phoenix-faqs/

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Q: How are the Phoenix Battlemechs cosmetically and functionally different from the Mechs already in-game?
A: The Phoenix Variants of each Project Phoenix Battlemech comes packed with the following cosmetic and functional perks:
Unique and Exclusive Custom Designed Exterior
30% C-Bill boost
10% Loyalty Point Boost
Important! These Phoenix Variants will NEVER again be available to purchase or to unlock once the sale offer has ended.

http://mwomercs.com/...oenix-feedback/

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"Project Phoenix will be made available for a limited time only, and once vaulted these packages will never be made available again!"

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On topic: I don't care about the Phoenix package.

For offering a solution to PGI: Create a new Phoenix Package with slightly altered (P)s, maybe other bonuses, other colour scheme. That would let you keep your promise and at the same time offer an (almost) Phoenix Package again, keeping the original ones "collector's items".

Edited by PFC Carsten, 15 May 2015 - 01:34 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

RavenKnight86, on 14 May 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

I agree with some other posters that Phoenix was supposed to be for a limited time. However if we get an option to bring Phoenix back then we should bring back Founders too.

That one is silly. Unlike EVERY OTHER PACKAGE. The Founders one was a genuine risk, and created this game. I believe the phoenix package should be brought back, but the Founders is the only one that should NEVER be brought back. Founders took a giant risk on this game, and they started it's funding. FFS their names are in the credits. No one else should get to claim being a founder, when we're past the "founding" period.

I've never been really angry with PGI, but if they do bring back Founders, I will be furious (this is coming from someone who is not a founder, btw.)

Also, if you stop and take a look at literally every other package that isn't Phoenix, or founders, they are all available in the store. While the phoenix for some reason, isn't there.

[Will9761]

I know that the Pheonix Mechs are supposed to stay exclusive, but I will vote yes since I find the Pheonix Program's relevance to both the Pheonix players (gone, current, and possibly new) and the mythological creature itself pretty amusing.

"As the old Pheonix dies, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor."

Personally, I'd love to see other unseen mechs like the Warhammer, Marauder, Pheonix Hawk, and Archer as bonus. A man can dream...

[IraqiWalker]

PFC Carsten, on 15 May 2015 - 01:30 AM, said:

The record

Yep.

Mostly what I said, except for the never be released again part. I did not remember that. However, PGI isn't the one making the decision to re-relase them, are they? It's us.

I understand that they are the ones putting the motion on the table for us to consider, and if we say "no" it's gonna be a no. If we say yes, PGI can come out and say "well, the majority of phoenix pilots said that they are fine with re-relasing them. Maybe we were wrong about making that package super exclusive, out of all post-launch packages"

[Herr Vorragend]

How about the following idea:

If the Phoenix-Owner vote yes for a re-release, those original owners get another phoenix-mech for free (maybe a third saber-mech, variants included). That would leave the old purchases unique and the folks could buy the pack again.

I still see a resale as a win-win situation. Give the original purchasers a bonus-mech, put phoenix back on sale and all will (maybe) be happy

[Revener]

[MonkeyCheese]

Imma have to repaint and spruce up my Talon Locust for some weekend destruction.

[Arctur]

I want to say just one thing, guys. (I'am Founder, Phoenix Overlord owner, Clan 1st wave owner)

I will vote for any idea, that will bring more money to PGI. This is the only hope the game will not die next year(s) but will continue evolving and progressing up....

[Nightshade24]

PFC Carsten, on 15 May 2015 - 01:30 AM, said:

For setting the record straight:
http://mwomercs.com/...t-phoenix-faqs/


http://mwomercs.com/...oenix-feedback/



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On topic: I don't care about the Phoenix package.

For offering a solution to PGI: Create a new Phoenix Package with slightly altered (P)s, maybe other bonuses, other colour scheme. That would let you keep your promise and at the same time offer an (almost) Phoenix Package again, keeping the original ones "collector's items".

maybe instead of sprucing up a new one... upgrade the old one?

Like all old phoenix players get the BattleMaster BLR-2C for free (and maybe all the additional phoenix mechs additional variants that wasn't in the original pack?)

Or maybe have the BLR-2C in a phoenix edition just for us or something like that... -shrugs-.

[Sirius Drake]

InnerSphereNews, on 14 May 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

Starts: FRIDAY MAY 15th 10:00:00 AM (PDT) (17:00 UTC)

Ends: TUESDAY MAY 19th 10:00:00 AM (PDT) (17:00 UTC)

EVENT HIGHLIGHTS:


The Founders have spoken, and Forest Colony will be the next map to receive a new update pass.
Now it's time for the Phoenix pilots to burn bright!
Between Friday and Tuesday we're running another Personal Challenge for all players, along with two Primary Phoenix Goals and a Leaderboard event just for Phoenix owners:

• Leaderboards for each of the six Phoenix 'Mechs
  
• A Kill Counter that will unlock two Primary Phoenix Goals if Phoenix owners can reach 65,000 kills:
  
  • all Phoenix medallions will receive a permanent Loyalty Point boost from 2.5% to 5%
    
  • a poll will run for Phoenix owners to determine if the Phoenix Program will be available for sale again

Personal Challenge:


Anyone can participate, and there are no 'Mech restrictions!
Simply earn a minimum 30 Match Score in Assault, Skirmish, or Conquest to earn 1 Personal Challenge Point.
Unlock prizes at the 5,10, 15, and 20 Point tiers

• 5 points = 5x C-bill Consumable Pack
  
• 10 points = 1000 GXP (In addition to this standard Prize, Phoenix owners who reach this tier will also receive a Phoenix Cockpit Hanging Medallion of their Phoenix level.)
  
• 15 points = 2 Million C-Bills (In addition to this standard Prize, Phoenix owners who reach this tier will also receive a Standing Mug of their Phoenix level.)
  
• 20 points = Spring Hula Girl! (In addition to this standard Prize, Phoenix owners who reach this tier will also receive a Standing Beer Stein of their Phoenix level.)

All Personal Challenge prizes are awarded as the points are achieved!
Phoenix owners do not need to pilot Phoenix 'Mechs in order to qualify for their Personal Challenge bonuses.
Check your Progress here: https://mwomercs.com...type=challenges





Kill Counter:

Get a Kill while piloting a Phoenix 'Mech to contribute to the Kill Counter.

If the Kill Counter reaches 65,000 kills by the end of the event, Phoenix owners will unlock the two Primary Phoenix Goals:

• all Phoenix medallions will receive a permanent Loyalty Point boost from 2.5% to 5%
  
• a poll will run for Phoenix owners to determine if the Phoenix Program will be available for sale again

Phoenix Leaderboards:

• You must play a Phoenix 'Mech to participate in the Phoenix Leaderboard Challenge
  
• Only your best 10 matches over the course of the event will be counted toward the Leaderboard
  
• Only Solo matches will be counted for these game modes: Assault, Skirmish, and Conquest
  
• Private matches and Community Warfare matches DO NOT count!
  
• Score Formula:
  
  • (Solo Kill x 30) + (Kill Most Damage x 20) + (Killing Blow x 10) + ( Kill Assist x 10) + (Win × 10) + (Loss × 5) + (Survive × 10) + (Dead × 5) + ((Damage done - Team Damage) ÷ 15)
• 1st Tie-Breaker: Number of Matches Played (Fewer is better)
  
• 2nd Tie-Breaker: Team Damage (Less is better)
  
• All Leaderboard prizes are awarded at the end of the event!

Check out the event page here: https://mwomercs.com/tournaments

Bah.

[KuroNyra]

IraqiWalker, on 15 May 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

That one is silly. Unlike EVERY OTHER PACKAGE. The Founders one was a genuine risk, and created this game. I believe the phoenix package should be brought back, but the Founders is the only one that should NEVER be brought back. Founders took a giant risk on this game, and they started it's funding. FFS their names are in the credits. No one else should get to claim being a founder, when we're past the "founding" period.

I've never been really angry with PGI, but if they do bring back Founders, I will be furious (this is coming from someone who is not a founder, btw.)

Also, if you stop and take a look at literally every other package that isn't Phoenix, or founders, they are all available in the store. While the phoenix for some reason, isn't there.

You and me bro.
Legendary Founder here. I freaking payed to have this game going up. I took the risk of paying for a VaporWare.

I founded this game with PGI, WE -Founders- Funded this game for YOU peoples to be able to play it after.

To make the Founders Pack available again would be PGI litteraly spitting on us -Founders-.

You want a pack with the 4 old mech? Ok, fine. But It won't be the Founder Package, it won't be the same geometry for the mech, it won't be the same titles.

[Nightshade24]

KuroNyra, on 15 May 2015 - 02:45 AM, said:

You and me bro.
Legendary Founder here. I freaking payed to have this game going up. I took the risk of paying for a VaporWare.

I founded this game with PGI, WE -Founders- Funded this game for YOU peoples to be able to play it after.

To make the Founders Pack available again would be PGI litteraly spitting on us -Founders-.

You want a pack with the 4 old mech? Ok, fine. But It won't be the Founder Package, it won't be the same geometry for the mech, it won't be the same titles.

eh.... originally the pointy nose on the catapult was gonna be on all catapults and the cut nose be a special version... wish it was like that =C

[That Dawg]

Sable, on 14 May 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

Move on to new things you said it was limited time it should stay that way.

I AGREE with this sentiment. IF a company produces something special, limited time offer and they REoffer it down the road? Their honor, the value of their word is shotdick to me.
WOT, paid a big buck for a tank that was supposed to "last chance"....they offered it again, and then nerfed it...
Things like this wont affect impulse money I give a company but is terminal for any packages they might offer.

[Ovion]

BSK, on 15 May 2015 - 01:00 AM, said:

It should only be allowed for owners of smaller Phoenix packages to upgrade to Overlord.

Unless you give medals to owners for Resistance packages, this should be the only option we decide about in the poll.

This pisses me off.
You piss me off.

I am generally a very even tempered person, easy going and let most things slide.
I generally don't focus on a person, or give specific statements, but this...

This is the absolute worst case of entitled, petulent, childish pettiness in the entire goddam thread.
"Oh, don't let the people who want the oppurtunity to get these mechs have that.
But we can get the ones we're missing"

AND you've posted it multiple times.

Grow up.

ShinVector, on 14 May 2015 - 06:00 PM, said:

Now thats said... Who the hell would want to run the Locust 1V in the tourny ???
MWO's worst mech ever...

It's not even the worst locust.
I would take the 1V over the 3S.

The ERLL quirks give it an insane output (ERLL w/ Locust Quirks + Cooldown 5 = Damage 9, Cooldown 1.23, Range 776 / 1552.5, Duration 0.62 = DPS 4.86 at 770M, and it still gets 2MG on top, all going 170kph)

Or stick with the classic MPL, 4MG build and be super agressive.

Soul Tribunal, on 14 May 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

I would personally be okay if they did a Phoenix 2 Pack versus this.

Pick 4 different Chassis and make them (P) variants.
Say, Raven/Blackjack/Dragon/Banshee.

That way you don't step on toes, and thus allow people to have some cool variants of mechs they like.

As much as I'd like a Founders pack or Phoenix one because I wasn't able to get it myself at the time, I would rather you guys keep what you have and get a second iteration of it.

-ST

Phoenix are Phoenix because they're Reseen.
But why not both?

You could do let the people that missed the chance AND do another pack!
We get the opuurtunity to get what we missed, and PGI gets more money to pay the bills and keep expanding the game.

clownwarlord, on 14 May 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

The package was sold a lot longer than a few months ... it went for sale in July that year and was still up for sale till half way through December. The reason why was because they wanted to tie in the Phoenix reinforcements (Griffon and Wolverine) which then was give out the next year, and so to say it was only for sale for a couple of months is like saying the Titanic was a small ship.

Then in that January still before PGI and IGP did anything they started to sell the first Clan Package which was for sale the same amount of time up till July when they started releasing those mechs.

Again I am still voting yes but just don't give me excuses like this for some one not purchasing it earlier.

It was middle October.
Because that's when I was able to actually start playing, and I'd just missed it.

4 months is technically a few.
(6 months is technically a few too).

But thank you for your understanding stance man, I hope I can buy my locust.

Tezzereth, on 14 May 2015 - 10:59 PM, said:

I would be ok with it if it was only a mech bundle sale w/o exclusives like the (P) models, badges, colors and preorder perks.

Let folks buy a bunch of mechs for a good sale price without undermining those who got the packs originally.

It wouldn't be an especially good deal though:

Locust pack - $20
3 Locusts + 3 mech bay with MC - $10

Shadowhawk Pack - $40
3 Locusts, 3 Shadowhawk + 6 mech bay with MC - $32

Thunderbolt Pack - $60
3 Locusts, 3 Shadowhawk, 3 Thunderbolt + 9 mech bay with MC - $58

Battlemaster Pack - $80
3 Locusts, 3 Shadowhawk, 3 Thunderbolt, 3 Battlemaster + 12 mech bay with MC - $94

So you would have to buy the biggest pack to get any discount at all, and it would only be 14.8%.
The only reason to get it, is the unique geometry, c-bill bonus 'heroes', and any extras.

Edited by Ovion, 15 May 2015 - 03:10 AM.

[Rushin Roulette]

Ovion, on 15 May 2015 - 03:09 AM, said:

It's not even the worst locust.
I would take the 1V over the 3S.

To be honest, The 1V isnt the worst Locust... however the 1V(p) is terrible. The already limited cockpit view is pretty well obstructed by the roll cage in the special variant (Disclaimer: I havent played the Lolcust more than a few rounds when it came out and not since then, so this might have changed in the mean time)

[Cervantes88]

Woop-dee-*******-doo a poll for the Phoenix package to be available again ?

What's the point ? I mean there are faction loyalty badges, which only apply to IS factions obviously, so I guess that's a thing for CW, but why not just put those medallions in the store for MC, put the Phoenix variants of the mechs available à la carte, for those who absolutely want this one variant with the Cbills bonus, and leave the insignias and titles and whatever small fluff that came with the original package to the guys who actually spent money on it when it first came out.

I say that I don't really care, I'm a Phoenix Overlord AND Sabre package owner (a buy that I regretted ever so afterwards - those mechs were atrocious garbage before the quirkening, the Shadowhawk only was somewhat decent), but I don't even display the title nor do i use any of the stuff given with the package (not even the medallions, because I don't play CW as IS).

Honestly I think the same policy should be for all packages : leave the title and badge and whatever fluff to the guys preordering the package first - the exclusive content - and leave the Cbills bonus mechs and whatever thing that has an actual impact on the game's number, available for individual purchase by people only interested by that particular thing. I would have bought the Vulture à la carte, but i'm not gonna spent 300$ worth of mechs that i'm mostly uninterested in just to get it.

Just my 2 cents about this.

Edited by Cervantes88, 15 May 2015 - 03:28 AM.

[Brut4ce]

PFC Carsten, on 15 May 2015 - 01:30 AM, said:

For setting the record straight:
http://mwomercs.com/...t-phoenix-faqs/


http://mwomercs.com/...oenix-feedback/



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On topic: I don't care about the Phoenix package.

For offering a solution to PGI: Create a new Phoenix Package with slightly altered (P)s, maybe other bonuses, other colour scheme. That would let you keep your promise and at the same time offer an (almost) Phoenix Package again, keeping the original ones "collector's items".

VERY Well put Carsten. There are Customers out there who bought those pixels for their "unique nature" that was promised to them. Also good thing you brought up those qualities of the Phoenix Variants, 'cause that 10% Loyalty boost promised from them when used (apparently) in Community warfare, does NOT apply. I have tested a full Phoenix variants Dropdeck several times in CW but there were NO bonuses mentioned in the End of Match loyalty points screen. Funny enough though, those medalions with the 2.5% bonus do work. I have written in the forums about that a few times in the past months, even pm'ed Russ about it, but i got no reply.

<S>

[B0oN]

*Lovingly unwraps the Shadowhawk from it´s protective plastic cover*
Come out and play, you dakka-loving lass

[KuroNyra]

Nightshade24, on 15 May 2015 - 02:59 AM, said:

eh.... originally the pointy nose on the catapult was gonna be on all catapults and the cut nose be a special version... wish it was like that =C

I prefer it that way personatly.
Pointy nose for the Founder one, the "elder". No nose for the "childrens".
Just like the Founder Atlas have a look of "grand sage" with his special eyes...

Just like.... Wait, does the Hunchback and Jenner have something really different?

[Nightshade24]

KuroNyra, on 15 May 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

I prefer it that way personatly.
Pointy nose for the Founder one, the "elder". No nose for the "childrens".
Just like the Founder Atlas have a look of "grand sage" with his special eyes...

Just like.... Wait, does the Hunchback and Jenner have something really different?

yes, but nothing to clearly obvious. I do not own them though so can't check

Either way I want more catapults ;~;