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[Priest4357]

Where are the leaderboards located? I'm still trying to find them, and having no luck. I can find MY progress for the free stuff, just not the ones to see where I stand on the tourney.

Thanks!

[Gnume]

Anuerysm, on 15 May 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

Where are the leaderboards located? I'm still trying to find them, and having no luck. I can find MY progress for the free stuff, just not the ones to see where I stand on the tourney.

Thanks!

https://mwomercs.com/tournaments

[Ridir Semii]

here is a thought for a "re-release" of the Phoenix Project....

release all of the original mechs in an ala carte option only (get 3 bays and mechs, 1 is special)

follow that with Phoenix Rising or something like that where it is a 4 mech package following the footsteps of the original Phoenix Project

[Steve Pryde]

VtTimber, on 15 May 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

This game could always use more cash injections... I'll vote yes, re-release the pack... Hell, even permanently.

+++

This. Why not all mech packages available forever? Limitations make no sense on digital stuff.

[Ridir Semii]

KuroNyra, on 15 May 2015 - 02:45 AM, said:

You and me bro.
Legendary Founder here. I freaking payed to have this game going up. I took the risk of paying for a VaporWare.

I founded this game with PGI, WE -Founders- Funded this game for YOU peoples to be able to play it after.

To make the Founders Pack available again would be PGI litteraly spitting on us -Founders-.

You want a pack with the 4 old mech? Ok, fine. But It won't be the Founder Package, it won't be the same geometry for the mech, it won't be the same titles.

I would be satisfied to have the founder mechs being given the full hero status and making them available for purchase that way.... open beta tester, wasn't called up for closed, knew founders and decided the founders program was garbage and wouldn't go there, but really really like Catapults and the founders geo on it is sic as F

[Fobhopper]

Hayato1983, on 15 May 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

How can anyone be ok with this? Its a game yeah sure, but this is a statement from a company that we want to respect and this is not the way to go. Look at Nvidias problem (eg: Nvidia arguing 4gb when was 3.5) as a toll; many bought the Phoenix pack for marketing and for being a one time thing, that alone is what sold the package to many. If I knew what the locust and shadow hawk were going to be I would not have bought the whole pack. It is not that we do not want them to make money, we do but there are other ways (right ways). This is cheap and an example of what is wrong with many companies. Simple as that, keep your word and make a new set of unseen these practices wont help costumer satisfaction XD.

No one should commit to something and then back on their word, that action alone leads to miss trust and revenues loss.

Apples to Oranges in your example. Comparing hardware realities vs. Advertiser/PR talk.

So you are okay with artificial scarcity to a mech package that was only offered in a short window when the game was still in beta just so you can maintain your "Special Snowflake" status?

The reason why PGI is bringing in the poll because there has been a fairly vocal outcry from MWO players to bring the Phoenix package back. The player base has greatly expanded since the beta when this package was released. PGI is also looking to getting released on steam, which is going to bring another torrent of new players to the game. And artificially limiting such a massive collection of mechs in a game thats trying to branch out is a VERY terrible business decision. You have to remember, PGI is a business that is needs to make money. They also need to appease their fans. And allowing this poll is the least offensive way to do it. People want the (P) collection. Not some ******** throwaway collection to appease first wave owners and **** over people who want (P), not some half-assed other package.

The phoenix package is the only mech package (outside of Founders) that isn't in the game at all for no good reason. There is no good business reason. There is not incentive to keep old and new players alike from not having the ability to purchase this. There is no "goodwill" generated for new players who's only option is to either grinding lots of (usually losing matches) to buy a single chassis variant, or purchase very expensive mastery packs. The only reason (P) owners wouldn't want this available is so that they can have their special snowflake status.

There should be a package (outside of mastery bundles) that allows players to get a lot of the "mainstay" mechs. You have the clan waves, and resistance waves. why not bring back the (P) wave? And I am not averse to them creating a similar package to the founders package if they do something like this; it can be all 4 of the same mechs with same geometry, with a different (X) moniker. Perhaps call it (B)asic package, that gives you a mech of each weight class to play as so you can learn the basics. I mean the (F) mechs all have muted paint schemes, and offer it at a discounted price (Like $20) and not particularly outstanding compared to their other variants of the same chassis. And of course not have their name in the credits.

Edited by Fobhopper, 15 May 2015 - 10:15 AM.

[Kenyon Burguess]

by your reasoning fobhopper, the special gold mechs would be for sale for c-bills. there has to be special snowflakes in the game or it cant be F2P

[Davren Lozo]

I will vote no, but if I am in the minority I would at least want this reissue to NOT include the titles and badges associated with what was a limited time offer.

I played Mechwarrior 1 in all of its EGA glory far too much and when the Phoenix pack became available I bought it immediately. It had my Locusts, Shadowhawks, and Battlemasters.

Many people who want this pack to be available again cite many reasons for not getting it originally.

Not enough funds, they weren't around at the time, didn't know about the game, bad feelings between them and PGI/IGP, etc.

Well I only found out about the founders program after the fact as well. I would have bought in at the top tier but missed the window. While I would love to be able to purchase it today, and would in a heartbeat, I understand that it is not an option and can live with that. I have since bought the top tier of every pack since (except the gold mechs as I am not into clan mechs enough to warrant that additional cost), have purchased mc, mech bays, and own 19 of the hero mechs.

So in summary sometimes you miss out on things and have to live with it, but if the vote says it should be offered again I hope that PGI will throw us original purchasers a bone and allow us to keep the badges and titles as exclusive.

(P) bonuses/camo/geometry on a second variant for each chassis would be nice too.

[Hayato1983]

Geist Null, on 15 May 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

by your reasoning fobhopper, the special gold mechs would be for sale for c-bills. there has to be special snowflakes in the game or it cant be F2P

My thoughts exactly. there are other ways always. This is just gonna piss some people. They need to commit to something.
All I hear is If they make money that way.

Edited by Hayato1983, 15 May 2015 - 10:21 AM.

[Fobhopper]

Geist Null, on 15 May 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

by your reasoning fobhopper, the special gold mechs would be for sale for c-bills. there has to be special snowflakes in the game or it cant be F2P

Special "Gold" mechs are their own special kind of uniqueness (evil) that I have no issue with. Yeah they are pricey as ****, but I dont have a problem with them in the game. And I dont have a problem with PGI making more of them available to people to purchase. If you are willing to put down $500 on a single mech, both to support PGI and show off your swag, I dont have a problem with it. PGI is in the end a business, and as long as the means they are trying to make a profit doesn't adversely affect the game (Pay for map packs, micro-transactions to buy GXP, etc). Those gold mechs still die just the same. They dont have extra armor or anything that breaks the game or the game balance.

[Hayato1983]

Fobhopper, on 15 May 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

Apples to Oranges in your example. Comparing hardware realities vs. Advertiser/PR talk.

So you are okay with artificial scarcity to a mech package that was only offered in a short window when the game was still in beta just so you can maintain your "Special Snowflake" status?

The reason why PGI is bringing in the poll because there has been a fairly vocal outcry from MWO players to bring the Phoenix package back. The player base has greatly expanded since the beta when this package was released. PGI is also looking to getting released on steam, which is going to bring another torrent of new players to the game. And artificially limiting such a massive collection of mechs in a game thats trying to branch out is a VERY terrible business decision. You have to remember, PGI is a business that is needs to make money. They also need to appease their fans. And allowing this poll is the least offensive way to do it. People want the (P) collection. Not some ******** throwaway collection to appease first wave owners and **** over people who want (P), not some half-assed other package.

The phoenix package is the only mech package (outside of Founders) that isn't in the game at all for no good reason. There is no good business reason. There is not incentive to keep old and new players alike from not having the ability to purchase this. There is no "goodwill" generated for new players who's only option is to either grinding lots of (usually losing matches) to buy a single chassis variant, or purchase very expensive mastery packs. The only reason (P) owners wouldn't want this available is so that they can have their special snowflake status.

There should be a package (outside of mastery bundles) that allows players to get a lot of the "mainstay" mechs. You have the clan waves, and resistance waves. why not bring back the (P) wave? And I am not averse to them creating a similar package to the founders package if they do something like this; it can be all 4 of the same mechs with same geometry, with a different (X) moniker. Perhaps call it (B)asic package, that gives you a mech of each weight class to play as so you can learn the basics. I mean the (F) mechs all have muted paint schemes, and offer it at a discounted price (Like $20) and not particularly outstanding compared to their other variants of the same chassis. And of course not have their name in the credits.

If that your reasoning fine, but that would mean that there is no need for packs and golden mechs or heroes should be available for c bills. Many are waiting on that day to come. I do respect you opinion though, thx for sharing.

[Fobhopper]

Hayato1983, on 15 May 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

If that your reasoning fine, but that would mean that there is no need for packs and golden mechs or heroes should be available for c bills. Many are waiting on that day to come. I do respect you opinion though, thx for sharing.

I already replied to someone else about this, but I dont have a problem with them making golden mechs and (P) mechs available for purchase with cash. I am not saying they should released the special variants to be buyable with Cbills. I dont know how people are misconstruing that. All I am saying is making (P), and (G) mechs available for purchase (with real cash, not Cbills) would be both a good business decision, and good for players who are interested in those packs.

[Bilbo]

Fobhopper, on 15 May 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

Special "Gold" mechs are their own special kind of uniqueness (evil) that I have no issue with. Yeah they are pricey as ****, but I dont have a problem with them in the game. And I dont have a problem with PGI making more of them available to people to purchase. If you are willing to put down $500 on a single mech, both to support PGI and show off your swag, I dont have a problem with it. PGI is in the end a business, and as long as the means they are trying to make a profit doesn't adversely affect the game (Pay for map packs, micro-transactions to buy GXP, etc). Those gold mechs still die just the same. They dont have extra armor or anything that breaks the game or the game balance.

Unlike the Phoenix packages, they actually put a hard limit on the number of these mechs available. I'd actually have to draw the line there. Gold mechs of other chassis, sure, but not the ones they have already done.

[Grynos]

Sereglach, on 15 May 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Ok, putting my original statement in here for the purpose of clarification and context:

Spoiler

I utterly stand by my statements that I want to see Phoenix Packages come back. People can claim their personal "exclusivity" and "but they said it'll never be sold again" all they want, I personally don't care. It's a game, and something needs to fund it. If people want to purchase packages that support the game, and give them access to full batches of mechs that'll prepare them for every weight class or full CW drop decks, or have nice "pseudo heroes" for grinding c-bills, then let them do it.

Now, as to what I said about wanting Founders to come back, too . . . people have put some very compelling arguments up here. I'm not averse to packages coming out that have the Founders mechs in them, but I'll concur with the fact that Founders did put out a much more significant risk to help MWO get off the ground. Now sorry, but founders didn't FUND the game, PGI did have a publisher, IGP, who shelled out the majority of opening funding. Russ even admitted to the "crowdfunding" debacle of IGP's press releases in one of his first town halls, because IGP wanted the good press.

That being said, the concept of putting together "Founder" mechs into packages for our purchase would be great, and should be done. Now, to allow Founders to maintain the prestige of the risk they took to help get MWO off the ground, you do something a little different. Call them "Succession Wars" or "Star League" packs, make them (S) variants of Founders mechs instead of (F), and release them in "Succession Wars" or "Star League" packs for people to purchase bundles of those mechs. You could even put together "Succession Wars Wave II" or "Star League Wave II" and have the Commando, Centurion, Dragon, and Awesome with their own (S) variants in the way of the Founders (F) variants.

Many, MANY free-to-play games have bundles of wide varieties to help people get their "garages", "collections", or "rosters" off the ground. The more variety that PGI can put together for these selections the better, is an excellent move, and will help boost their game. I think they should do it, and I think we, as people who want to play this game and see MWO succeed, should support that. At the very least, we should bring the Phoenix Packages back. That's where my vote will go.

I will start with your last point and work backwards. Yes PGI should create a " New Player " pack. It should be one of each weight class for both IS as well as Clan with mech bays perhaps even some premium time, but it should be a starter pack which means no unique mechs. Also it should be relatively inexpensive to buy seeing as all of the mechs involved would be mechs that are already out for cbills.

You mentioned the founders really didn't "Fund" the game because PGI had a publisher, which is true to some extent. Yes PGI had a publisher that had a goal of pushing out Mechs and Mech Packs so that they could generate revenue . If people didn't buy those Founders and Phoenix packs then the revenue stream would have slowed to a trickle causing this game to be gone. So by definition the people who bought those initial mech packs actually DID FUND the future progress of MWO.

Lastly, the Founders or Phoenix packs are not going to make one bit of difference to funding MWO. Notice that PGI is looking for more people to buy Resistance 2 by offering free mechs. The problem is if PGI spent as much time working on making the game have more substance as it did with new mechs then it would work out in the end for PGI. Because most of those other games you refer to have a huge population compared to MWO, and all the mechs in the world will not change that, but improvements to the game play and substance of modes like CW could. Some of those other games also have a competitive scene that is fully supported by the game itself including rankings among other things. MWO does not, they have a small competitive scene that is run by the community of most of those same people who play in those events. Some games have open world battlegrounds where actually taking a section of the map means something, MWO has a mere shell of that. THAT IS THE PROBLEM..........

[Shell Game]

If I had a vote, it would be a definite "No" to bringing back the packs. I wouldn't buy the Phoenix Pack even if it were available.

Beyond sentimental attachment and badges, the Founders Pack and Phoenix Pack are essentially "Apple to Apples" with regards to the outdated game content. I expect to see both of these packs available or none. The only benefit of reselling these packs are for gaining some easy money that could be used to further the development of this game. This should be the only consideration used if they are to be on sale again. I would also expect a 50% off price with these as well.

Edited by EpicWarlord, 15 May 2015 - 10:52 AM.

[Sereglach]

Grynos, on 15 May 2015 - 10:49 AM, said:

I will start with your last point and work backwards. Yes PGI should create a " New Player " pack. It should be one of each weight class for both IS as well as Clan with mech bays perhaps even some premium time, but it should be a starter pack which means no unique mechs. Also it should be relatively inexpensive to buy seeing as all of the mechs involved would be mechs that are already out for cbills.

You mentioned the founders really didn't "Fund" the game because PGI had a publisher, which is true to some extent. Yes PGI had a publisher that had a goal of pushing out Mechs and Mech Packs so that they could generate revenue . If people didn't buy those Founders and Phoenix packs then the revenue stream would have slowed to a trickle causing this game to be gone. So by definition the people who bought those initial mech packs actually DID FUND the future progress of MWO.

Lastly, the Founders or Phoenix packs are not going to make one bit of difference to funding MWO. Notice that PGI is looking for more people to buy Resistance 2 by offering free mechs. The problem is if PGI spent as much time working on making the game have more substance as it did with new mechs then it would work out in the end for PGI. Because most of those other games you refer to have a huge population compared to MWO, and all the mechs in the world will not change that, but improvements to the game play and substance of modes like CW could. Some of those other games also have a competitive scene that is fully supported by the game itself including rankings among other things. MWO does not, they have a small competitive scene that is run by the community of most of those same people who play in those events. Some games have open world battlegrounds where actually taking a section of the map means something, MWO has a mere shell of that. THAT IS THE PROBLEM..........

With everything you say, you call MWO a mere shell of a game. You say there's been no advancements because all they spend time on are mechs, and that there've been no improvements or substance.

All of it couldn't be further from the truth if you've actually been paying attention to how far the game has come in the past year. These beliefs alone render everything you have to say moot and pointless.

You're the kind of person where trying to talk it out would be a waste of time, because no mater what PGI does, if it doesn't fulfill YOUR vision of the game, it's not enough. Therefore I bid you good day.

Edited by Sereglach, 15 May 2015 - 11:19 AM.

[fousek69]

Nice, good luck Mechwarrior

[Lyoto Machida]

Bilbo, on 15 May 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Unlike the Phoenix packages, they actually put a hard limit on the number of these mechs available. I'd actually have to draw the line there. Gold mechs of other chassis, sure, but not the ones they have already done.

Why stop there with an arbitrary limit on Gold Mechs they've already released? PGI could just say it was their position at the time and make Gold Mechs purchasable forever.

Sereglach, on 15 May 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:

With everything you say, you call MWO a mere shell of a game. You say there's been no advancements because all they spend time on are mechs, and that there've been no improvements or substance.

All of it couldn't be further from the truth if you've actually been paying attention to how far the game has come in the past year. These beliefs alone render everything you have to say moot and pointless.

You're the kind of person where trying to talk it out would be a waste of time, because no mater what PGI does, if it doesn't fulfill YOUR vision of the game, it's not enough. Therefore I bid you good day.

So...how far has the game really come in the last year? We've got a CW mode that nobody really plays...what else?

Let's hear it.

[MonkeyCheese]

Rushin Roulette, on 15 May 2015 - 03:26 AM, said:

To be honest, The 1V isnt the worst Locust... however the 1V(p) is terrible. The already limited cockpit view is pretty well obstructed by the roll cage in the special variant (Disclaimer: I havent played the Lolcust more than a few rounds when it came out and not since then, so this might have changed in the mean time)

Nope its still a terrible cockpit. I played one match in my talon locust prob my least played sadly when this announcement came up and I was like what is wrong with me why is it so hard to see/drive this thing then it clicked I was as usual ignoring the cockpit and focusing on the map beyond it but the stupid rollcage bars all over the place were making it so much harder to pilot. This is coming from someone who has like 6 mastered locusts

[Bilbo]

Lyoto Machida, on 15 May 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Why stop there with an arbitrary limit on Gold Mechs they've already released? PGI could just say it was their position at the time and make Gold Mechs purchasable forever.
...

They could. I just wouldn't agree with or vote for the idea if it was an option.