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[Tom Sawyer]

ShinVector, on 17 May 2015 - 02:36 AM, said:

You your little tourny exploit got taken away... QQ ? I was wonder why 'Not Bob' totally disappeared from W6R #1 position. LOL.

Might explain why I thought I saw twinkly at the top of a leaderboard then he vanished.

Solo only and all

[Not Bob]

Well that is crap... I want to drop with me friends and compete.... This is crap. Honestly. I don't have the time anymore to drop solo on the challenge, why change the rules midway in the challenge....

[Sereglach]

Ok, having spent pretty much all free time through the weekend on this tournament, I have one serious piece of feedback for these things. Make the top 10 matches based off of match score, NOT this abstract formula.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to score well in this while using a light mech, let alone a Locust? I do, I'm currently #5 and was #1 for a good part of Saturday. The only thing that means anything in this tournament is hogging Solo Kills . . . that's it. A 12 assist high damage victory match means utter jack compared to a crappy loss with 3 solo kills.

However, if this was based more off of match score, all the awesome matches I've had with good Scouting, UAV usage, kill assists, UAV kills, UAV Detection, Counter ECM, and all the other things a light mech is supposed to do in its ROLE would actually mean something. Instead they've meant utter jack because they don't fall into the purview of this abstract scoring formula. Also, if you made it based off of match score, then mechs would be more inclined to play their role, and help the team win, instead of just trying to hog solo kills.

More emphasis on helping your team and performing well in your ROLE, and less emphasis on laying back and hogging solo kills. Use Match Score, and not abstract formulas.

[DAYLEET]

Tom Sawyer, on 17 May 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

Might explain why I thought I saw twinkly at the top of a leaderboard then he vanished.

Solo only and all

It must be why i went from position 22 to 60 in the blink of an eye lol Don't care, i would have dropped out of the board anyway because i don't have the time to accumulate enough freak games and the will to exploit the scoring system. I never played group before last week, but a friend came back to the game after about 10 months so now i drop in group.

[bad arcade kitty]

both challenges explicitly mentioned they were soloq challenges, everybody who dropped in a group and scored to the leaderboard willingly abused a bug on pgi part and have no right to whine and actually should be ashamed

[Not Bob]

Maybe if it was scored correctly, this wouldn't even be an issue. I was dropping group, and looked at the scoreboard, and saw the points counted, so I assumed it was a group challenge. I didn't read the whole thing line for line, as I'd much rather play the game than read about it (Unlike some forum warriors). If I saw it was Solo at the start, and didn't get points for a group drop, then I would have forsaken my TEAM in a TEAM game (Where you are placed on a TEAM against another TEAM).


If they fixed it within the first 2 hours, no problem.. but 2 DAYS of the challenge are gone, and I have to work on weekends, so that time that alot of people have doesn't exist for me, hence I tried to grind as much as I could in the first 2 days.



I've never really liked the solo challenges, and I've never understood why people are so adamant against grouping up, but this just make the problem that much worse.

[Sagamore]

It is much easier to do such a challenge in a group. Imagine dropping with 3 other friends who will save kill shots for you. There is so much bloodlust in the solo queue that if my team is good enough, I'm lucky to get 1 kill. Solo queue is a bit of a dice roll to get a team that is:

• good enough that we don't get steamrolled
  
• bad enough that I can carry them

The whole format of the leaderboard favours people who can play all weekend. I've had one 6 kill 1100 damage game in maybe 30. Play 300 games and all 10 of my counted games would be so.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Full disclosure ... when I went to bed Saturday night, I was kind of pleased with my 11th place in my GRF-1N(P) ... when I logged in Sunday afternoon, I was no longer on the leaderboard ... in fact none of my games counted!

PGI screwed up by not fixing this for the Founders event and should have caught it earlier in this event, but I'm glad they corrected their error.

To the guys who feel like "all their work was wasted", you probably earned a butt-ton of . If you were only playing for the rewards ... a few more free consumables (not likely), one decent session's worth of GXP (really not likely), 2,000,000 (OK, this would have been kind of nice), a camo unlock (which, ironically, you can't even use on the 'mechs you played in to get on the board) ... and your name at the top of a list on a video game's website, you were probably wasting your time anyway.

[Sagamore]

Kageru Ikazuchi, on 17 May 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

PGI screwed up by not fixing this for the Founders event and should have caught it earlier in this event, but I'm glad they corrected their error.

Are you saying group matches counted for the Founder's event too? I ended up 5th place in the AS7-D(F) category. Kind of curious if I would have been higher if group matches were excluded. Still got my atlas statue though so w/e.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Sagamore, on 17 May 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

Are you saying group matches counted for the Founder's event too? I ended up 5th place in the AS7-D(F) category. Kind of curious if I would have been higher if group matches were excluded. Still got my atlas statue though so w/e.

Yes. I played a few games in my HBK-4G(F) and CPLT-C1(F), all in groups, and my name, rank, and score appear below the leaderboards (just as if I had opted into a normal event).

For the Founders event, I played about 25 matches in my GRF-1N(P) on Saturday, all in groups, and while I was previous on the board, now my rank/name/score isn't even listed (I would still be about 25th).

[Not Bob]

Kageru Ikazuchi, on 17 May 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

Full disclosure ... when I went to bed Saturday night, I was kind of pleased with my 11th place in my GRF-1N(P) ... when I logged in Sunday afternoon, I was no longer on the leaderboard ... in fact none of my games counted!

PGI screwed up by not fixing this for the Founders event and should have caught it earlier in this event, but I'm glad they corrected their error.

To the guys who feel like "all their work was wasted", you probably earned a butt-ton of . If you were only playing for the rewards ... a few more free consumables (not likely), one decent session's worth of GXP (really not likely), 2,000,000 (OK, this would have been kind of nice), a camo unlock (which, ironically, you can't even use on the 'mechs you played in to get on the board) ... and your name at the top of a list on a video game's website, you were probably wasting your time anyway.

And when I went to bed Staurday night, I was in 1st place for Wolverines (Had a score of 3344) by about 180 points, and now I have no points. And yes, while its all technically "for nothing," and just a name on an "video game website", its fun to show off once in a while.

[Sagamore]

Not Bob, on 17 May 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

And when I went to bed Staurday night, I was in 1st place for Wolverines (Had a score of 3344) by about 180 points, and now I have no points. And yes, while its all technically "for nothing," and just a name on an "video game website", its fun to show off once in a while.

Are you finding it harder to get comparable match scores in solo queue?

[Kyynele]

Not Bob, on 17 May 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

And when I went to bed Staurday night, I was in 1st place for Wolverines (Had a score of 3344) by about 180 points, and now I have no points. And yes, while its all technically "for nothing," and just a name on an "video game website", its fun to show off once in a while.

You must realize that this was a huge advantage for you, and put the people who did read the instructions and did drop solo similarly in disadvantage? While I do sympathize your effort going to waste, you didn't read the rules. Stuff like this can happen when you don't.

I, personally was curious as to how some people climbed the Locust list as fast as they did, because you can't really carry games very reliably with just 1 laser and some machine guns. Turns out these people disappeared from the list, too. It's a pretty big boost to know that you can rely on your team to carry you to victory, even if you're playing a suboptimal mech. If you're in a team, you just have to hope you get a good game. When you're solo, you have to hope to get a good game, AND hope your team does enough so that the game is won, because lost games aren't worth anything with the points algorithm we have.

[Not Bob]

Sagamore, on 17 May 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

Are you finding it harder to get comparable match scores in solo queue?

No. I'm finding it hard to play at all, since my time is limited.

Kyynele, on 17 May 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

You must realize that this was a huge advantage for you, and put the people who did read the instructions and did drop solo similarly in disadvantage? While I do sympathize your effort going to waste, you didn't read the rules. Stuff like this can happen when you don't.

I, personally was curious as to how some people climbed the Locust list as fast as they did, because you can't really carry games very reliably with just 1 laser and some machine guns. Turns out these people disappeared from the list, too. It's a pretty big boost to know that you can rely on your team to carry you to victory, even if you're playing a suboptimal mech. If you're in a team, you just have to hope you get a good game. When you're solo, you have to hope to get a good game, AND hope your team does enough so that the game is won, because lost games aren't worth anything with the points algorithm we have.

Yes, I realize it is my fault for not reading the rules, as I was just going by if my points were being tracked or not in a team game. (Where they've done plenty of solo/group challenges recently). I'm just miffed that they didn't catch it (Apparently there was the same issue with it last challenge) after 2 days, voiding all results, instead of just changing it to group (since it was already setup), or adding more time to the challenge for those that have only a few days to compete in these challenges.


I'm really just annoyed at how they handled it, they could have done so much much better. I mean, If I ever realized I wasn't getting points in my group, I would have switched to solo que then.



(Edit for typos.)

Edited by Not Bob, 17 May 2015 - 04:21 PM.

[White Bear 84]

ShinVector, on 17 May 2015 - 03:34 AM, said:

Yeah... just happened to me just now too...

I can't remember who it was, but had another really good Lolcust pilot on my team and we were killing it! Wonder what happened..

Had some sweet rounds later in the night, got up to 10th which was an achievement...

[dr lao]

Well that went fast got my hula girl im good...

[Sereglach]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 May 2015 - 02:18 PM, said:

both challenges explicitly mentioned they were soloq challenges, everybody who dropped in a group and scored to the leaderboard willingly abused a bug on pgi part and have no right to whine and actually should be ashamed

Wait . . . WHAT?!? I hope PGI fixed this. No wonder I have been sitting, scratching my head at how people are getting 2300+ scores in Locusts. I only just recently looked at this thread again to leave the feedback a few posts above. Seriously . . . I've been doing this whole damned thing solo and people are on the leaderboards who've been dropping in groups to get credit?!?

For one, I guess I should be that much more proud of my 5th place position right now. However, for two, I hope they're able to re-tally the top scores off of solo drop matches only. I don't know if it'll change my position any, but I know that I've ONLY been dropping in the solo queue.

Although, not going to lie . . . considering I was holding first position for quite a few hours on Saturday (have the screenshot to prove it), I'll feel pretty cheated if PGI says they can't do anything about it and the people with group queue scores get to sit at the top for it.

[White Bear 84]

Sereglach, on 17 May 2015 - 05:21 PM, said:

Wait . . . WHAT?!? I hope PGI fixed this. No wonder I have been sitting, scratching my head at how people are getting 2300+ scores in Locusts.

Well hold the reigns here, I don't think this is unachievable, would take a fair bit of work - I mean you really need to get along the lines of 6-6 and 500 damage, as long as you get kmd or killing blow you're alright.. ..I have done the maths

Let's caclulate;
Win, Survive = 20, 12 assists/kills = 120 (so far 140), 500 damage = 33pts (173). Here is the cool part - You get 1 solo kill and that is another 30 (solo) and 20 (kmd) - 50 points. You now have a score of 223. You really work it and you can get a few kmd's which bumps you ANOTHER 60 points! Doable yes, easy.. ..in the lolcust, nope.

Averaging around 400 damage atm, the hardest part is being able to reach all 12 of the enemy team - for each mech you lost 10+ points if you dont tap em. I am realistically hoping to be in top 5 by Tuesday night, with an anticipated score of ~2,300.

Also happen to be a rather psychotic Locust pilot...

Anyway I digress, a few of the people I chat with noticed some odd stuff last weekend.. ..we are talking 700 point jumps in the space of a couple of hours. It could be genuine - I mean I bumped from nothing to 10th in locusts in around 3/4 hours of play, but there are circumstances that lead it to be suspicious.

That said, I have every bit of faith that PGI would be monitoring the top leaderboards for this kind of thing. I have faith they will correct things where correction is due. Naming and shaming does no good, so the best thing is to go straight to the devs, ask questions, submit tickets etc etc.

On a side note, watch that spot Sereg.. ..ima coming!!

Edited by White Bear 84, 17 May 2015 - 05:43 PM.

[Sereglach]

White Bear 84, on 17 May 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

Spoiler

Well hold the reigns here, I don't think this is unachievable, would take a fair bit of work - I mean you really need to get along the lines of 6-6 and 500 damage, as long as you get kmd or killing blow you're alright.. ..I have done the maths

Let's caclulate;
Win, Survive = 20, 12 assists/kills = 120 (so far 140), 500 damage = 33pts (173). Here is the cool part - You get 1 solo kill and that is another 30 (solo) and 20 (kmd) - 50 points. You now have a score of 223. You really work it and you can get a few kmd's which bumps you ANOTHER 60 points! Doable yes, easy.. ..in the lolcust, nope.

Averaging around 400 damage atm, the hardest part is being able to reach all 12 of the enemy team - for each mech you lost 10+ points if you dont tap em. I am realistically hoping to be in top 5 by Tuesday night, with an anticipated score of ~2,250.

Also happen to be a rather psychotic Locust pilot...

Anyway I digress, a few of the people I chat with noticed some odd stuff last weekend.. ..we are talking 700 point jumps in the space of a couple of hours. It could be genuine - I mean I bumped from nothing to 10th in locusts in around 3/4 hours of play, but there are circumstances that lead it to be suspicious. That said, I have every bit of faith that PGI would be monitoring the top leaderboards for this kind of thing. I have faith they will correct things where correction is due.

On a side note, watch that spot Sereg.. ..ima coming!!

Sounds easier than it is, trust me. I know the math. I've been calculating a good chunk of my matches and have made reasonably estimated and accurate guesses as to when I'll jump and by how much.

That's one reason why I say they need to just go off of match score instead of just damage and kills. We now have a full rewards system that gives a scout that nails most of the mechs for scouting, gets some good spotting and assists in there, and does respectable -over all- as good of a match score as any assault pilot that just slugged it out.

My best match was a terrible loss for my team, but I ended with 3 solo kills, 4 assists and over 700 damage.

3 solo kills = 180, 4 assists = 40, loss and death = 10, ~700 damage = ~47 points. Total = 277.

Sadly, those situations are the matches that are going to reap you the best scores. Otherwise you're hoping for a perfect storm of events to fall into your lap. It's not about tapping everything and hoping for solid performance. Those solo kills are where people on the highest charts are reaping the top scores. Otherwise those numbers just aren't possible.

1000 damage = 67 points, 12 assists = 120 points, win and survive = 20, 3 kills most damage dealt = 60 points. Total = 267.

That bridesmaid grade match means jack-didley-squat without scoring any solo kills (in the grand scheme of things, especially for the higher weight class mechs). A hard-fought loss with 3 solo kills does better.

I'm going to keep trying, but I don't see my score changing much from here out. Now, as it is for pretty much everyone, it's sheer volume of matches and hoping for that perfect storm of a game. If you take my place, so be it. I don't claim to be an amazing pilot, but I am a pretty dedicated light pilot. I'm amazed I'm even in the top 50 right now, let alone the top 5/10.

EDIT: I hate this tournament's scoring system for one major reason. I can't stand the fact that I'm looking at amazing matches, under normal circumstances, that are earning 3k experience (before any modifiers) and going, "Nope, that's a craptastic match for this tournament. That just sucks."

Edited by Sereglach, 17 May 2015 - 06:18 PM.

[White Bear 84]

Sereglach, on 17 May 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

That bridesmaid grade match means jack-didley-squat without scoring any solo kills. A hard-fought loss with 3 solo kills does better.

I'm going to keep trying, but I don't see my score changing much from here out. Now, as it is for pretty much everyone, it's sheer volume of matches and hoping for that perfect storm of a game. If you take my place, so be it. I don't claim to be an amazing pilot, but I am a pretty dedicated light pilot. I'm amazed I'm even in the top 50 right now, let alone the top 5/10.

I try to look at it objectively.. ..what is more likely. I would aim to get at least one solo then dish out as much damage, inc component destruction to get kmd.. ..but yes you are right, solo kills are very heavily weighed. It is interesting since you would think 'solo kills' run counter to the team play mentality the game needs (but ill leave that there....).

Irrespective of where either of us end up, getting in the top 20, even top 10 is good work in itself! I myself am not so much of a dedicated light pilot, but I have always been a huge supporter of our lil lolcusts so highly competitive in game when I run them