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[Nightmare1]

I really hope that they don't re-release the Phoenix Mechs. Their limited time availability was a pretty big deal back then and one of the major draws to purchasing them. Re-releasing them would essentially betray the customers who bought them previously with the expectation that they were getting something special. It's essentially false advertising.

[dirtnapnub]

I could have purchased the Phoenix package when it was first released, but I was not interested in it at that time. If it was released again I still would probably not buy it. But this post like alot of others makes me laugh. Who does it benifit by not releasing this package again? A few people get to remain "unique snowflakes" is about all. But if it is released again who might benifit? PGI makes some cash, and some people get some new mechs. I just wish the people who will vote no would stop with all this nonsense about " cash grab", Bait and switch", and other lame excuses. Just tell the damn truth, you wish to be selfish and keep these mechs to yourself ( which I have no problem with). But just say that instead of all these weak excuses, that few people really believe. And if you vote yes, thank you, for thinking of other people. I am sure you made a few people happy.

[Smoked]

Hmm only 90% done with a few hours left in event, system errors and restored to 100%. Any guesses as to what the result of the poll would be?

[Nightmare1]

dirtnapnub, on 19 May 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

I could have purchased the Phoenix package when it was first released, but I was not interested in it at that time. If it was released again I still would probably not buy it. But this post like alot of others makes me laugh. Who does it benifit by not releasing this package again? A few people get to remain "unique snowflakes" is about all. But if it is released again who might benifit? PGI makes some cash, and some people get some new mechs. I just wish the people who will vote no would stop with all this nonsense about " cash grab", Bait and switch", and other lame excuses. Just tell the damn truth, you wish to be selfish and keep these mechs to yourself ( which I have no problem with). But just say that instead of all these weak excuses, that few people really believe. And if you vote yes, thank you, for thinking of other people. I am sure you made a few people happy.

You really have no understanding of marketing rules for advertising and such, do you?

Frankly, it's not so much that the devs are thinking about re-releasing an old pack that bugs me so much as it is the fact that they claimed it was a one-time, do-it-now-or-miss-out-forever deal. I bought mine during the last week it was available because of that one-time-only label. I didn't want to miss out. No pre-ordered goodies for me either. If they re-release the pack now, then not only will they prove that they are willing to falsely advertise their products, but it also destroys consumer faith in them. They are, essentially, showing that they are willing to lie to people to get them to buy their product, and then turn around and betray them by not showing their customers the same loyalty the customers showed them.

You sound bitter over having missed out, despite your insistence to the contrary. If you really are telling the truth, then you really don't even belong on this thread. If you didn't buy a pack and have no intention of purchasing one if they are re-released, then you're opinion doesn't really matter in this case because you have no ties to the Phoenix.

[Templar 14]

dirtnapnub, on 19 May 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

I could have purchased the Phoenix package when it was first released, but I was not interested in it at that time. If it was released again I still would probably not buy it. But this post like alot of others makes me laugh. Who does it benifit by not releasing this package again? A few people get to remain "unique snowflakes" is about all. But if it is released again who might benifit? PGI makes some cash, and some people get some new mechs. I just wish the people who will vote no would stop with all this nonsense about " cash grab", Bait and switch", and other lame excuses. Just tell the damn truth, you wish to be selfish and keep these mechs to yourself ( which I have no problem with). But just say that instead of all these weak excuses, that few people really believe. And if you vote yes, thank you, for thinking of other people. I am sure you made a few people happy.

I agree...I just want to be a unique snowflake...I will be voting "no"...but happy to reconsider if they release the founders mechs again.

[Tenmou]

As current "King of the Battlemaster BLR-1G (P) / Phoenix King"

I will be voting no to re-releasing the phoenix pack.

SO I HAVE DECREED!

Edited by Tenmou, 21 May 2015 - 07:19 AM.

[Jaspbo1]

Templar 14, on 19 May 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

I agree...I just want to be a unique snowflake...I will be voting "no"...but happy to reconsider if they release the founders mechs again.

Gonna say one thing, I would be all for founders' upgrades, but purchasing founders packs with no founder status? No, Phoenix is a slightly different bag to the founders, it's not a founder's pack, with all the goodies with MC and all that jazz, it was a pre order for 'mechs that weren't in the game for a game that was in existence, Founder's were funding a game for 'mechs, MC and nostalgia of a game that didn't exist. I would be all for a far more abridged Phoenix pack, people want the nice geometry on the 'mechs, drop off the fire paint camo thing bonus for all standard mech variants, cut the badges, the titles just have the 'mechs.

I'm sure that's what most people only want anyway. Also give the old Phoenix something for this aswell, similar to the early-early bird Wave III thing. Like I dunno, another paint job unlock for all 'mechs, maybe a new title and badge and colours. It can be a win win really.

[Mullittron]

I'm going to vote yes I dont see any reason not too..

[Sir Wolfenx]

desan476, on 19 May 2015 - 03:33 AM, said:

exactly my point... i own phoenix package and i really dont mind about originality and limited-ness of my mechs. when the mechpacks started coming, i was like "at least they are working on something - new mechs, new purchasable content"... now it seems that they dont want to put effort even into working on new mechs, so they try to sell the old one
i dont think that game needs new mechs anymore. mechs start to repeat and lot of are very similar (hardpoints and gameplay not design - design is awesome ). but i understand that its the only content that is paid and game is founded via selling mechs. so new mechs have to be done. but its kinda sad that only new mechs are produced.
yes, we have community warfare - that is not working very well and it seems like no major changes are being done
yes, we have new maps - that are done sooo poorly :/ game runs on cry engine but new maps look worse than unreal tournament 2003
i wish that this game will start to move it has great potential and i am fully prepared to spend money (again) here!

My opinion, I think the focus on new mechs has pushed the development of other gameplay into the backburner, because releasing new mechs is the only way PGI makes revenue, they have less motivation to focus on the gameplay. So the new content has been alot of new mechs. I am eager to see the new changes to destructible objects,and new gameplay modes which they announced. We have PGI 3D artists making mechs instead of other game objects in levels.

For example releasing new mechs they can just reuse the animations for other mechs of the same body type. So they wouldn't release the odd four legged mech or the melee mech axeman.

I would like to see new gameplay to go with these mech releases. They can garuntee the delivery of new mechs but I would like to see our purchases of new mech packs to gartuntee new maps and gameplay.

There are only so many mechs you can release before you're just switching around a 3D model slightly and where the weapons are, I would like to see a focus on some Visually Unique Mechs.

[Sereglach]

All arguing about whether to vote yes or no aside (besides, it's not a given one way or another, it's just getting an opinion from the Phoenix holders over whether they'd be ok if it happened), this is the first tournament I ever participated in, and I placed 10th! I didn't think I had the skill to bother. I'm doing a little happy dance, now. I know it's just a video game, but I'll take a little pride boost when I can get it.

Edited by Sereglach, 19 May 2015 - 01:34 PM.

[Twilight Fenrir]

Well, all you conspiracy fanaticists can eat crow It's pretty close right now, but looks like the answer will be a resounding 'NO'.

And, I can certainly understand that.

A lot of people put down those who were protective of keeping Phoenix locked up, descrying the 'special snowflake' being the only reason not to...

But that's a damned good reason to me. As much as I wanted to buy a Phoenix pack, with that much of people being upset if it were to happen, I wouldn't be keen on it. I know if someone took away my Founder's snowflake, I'd be incredibly disappointed...

As I was when the Loyalty Crab/Atlas/Centurian got pushed out another two times...

[Twilight Fenrir]

Sir Wolfenx, on 19 May 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

My opinion, I think the focus on new mechs has pushed the development of other gameplay into the backburner, because releasing new mechs is the only way PGI makes revenue, they have less motivation to focus on the gameplay. So the new content has been alot of new mechs. I am eager to see the new changes to destructible objects,and new gameplay modes which they announced. We have PGI 3D artists making mechs instead of other game objects in levels.

For example releasing new mechs they can just reuse the animations for other mechs of the same body type. So they wouldn't release the odd four legged mech or the melee mech axeman.

I would like to see new gameplay to go with these mech releases. They can garuntee the delivery of new mechs but I would like to see our purchases of new mech packs to gartuntee new maps and gameplay.

There are only so many mechs you can release before you're just switching around a 3D model slightly and where the weapons are, I would like to see a focus on some Visually Unique Mechs.

Well... to be fair... they have been adding a map to the game every month since IGP fell out of the picture... That's pretty damned impressive IMHO. A lot of that is unseen by the masses, as they've been hitting CW pretty hard, but the CW maps are some of the best looking in the game. And, again, been one every month like clockwork.

The new mechbay is coming (I think by the end of June), which has been eating a lot of resources. And they're buried deep in CW3. So... I wouldn't say they're focusing too heavily on the mechs. It's just that what their focusing on takes some time. June looks to be a BIG month for the game. Probably bleeding over into July, and possibly August... but there's big stuff on the horizon.

[Grendel408]

I think folks also fail to understand that game development, like any software development company has departments that are tasked to certain projects that in turn get tied in with other projects that all get rolled together into the program/game. You've got concept artists and graphics teams doing things for all departments, coding, 3d modeling/rigging, map design, server techs, marketing, management... all trying to be on the same page. That takes many levels of coordination to accomplish what PGI has done so far... and as Twilight Fenrir stated above, PGI has come a very long way since IGP's downfall and separation from MWO.

What I believe the Devs should focus on next is refining the game as they are mentioning. Getting it optimized to perform better for low-end and high-end gaming PCs, get it on Steam for more community growth, finish updating all the Mechs that haven't gotten their model-update passes, and much more. But expect Clan Wave 4 to be released after the Resistance 2 Mechs are released for C-bills. You know it's going to happen... Clan Mechs have less diversity than available for Inner Sphere Mechs, stated by the Devs somewhere.

[Fobhopper]

Whats kind of funny with all the "ney-sayers" saying this would take away from development time if they re-released this package.... how? Seriously, how would it delay development time? The assets are already in the game, they are already quirked, they only need to reactivate the web page store to add this package to it. All the work had already been done about 2 years ago. There really isnt any other work that needs to be done except reactivating the links/store database to add this back into the game.

[Intelekt]

Fobhopper, on 19 May 2015 - 03:29 PM, said:

Whats kind of funny with all the "ney-sayers" saying this would take away from development time if they re-released this package.... how? Seriously, how would it delay development time? The assets are already in the game, they are already quirked, they only need to reactivate the web page store to add this package to it. All the work had already been done about 2 years ago. There really isnt any other work that needs to be done except reactivating the links/store database to add this back into the game.

Because it sets a standard for PGI being able to re-release old content rather than deliver new (PROMISED 2 YEARS AGO) content and game types like PVE.

I do understand the argument that it helps FUND the game, however that was the entire purpose of it initially, was to get a reward for helping fund the game at a very early time in it's development. If you want those mechs, they are all available in their regular variant, the (P) are for those of us who spent nearly $100 on the game in an alpha stage.

Personally I want to see more NON CW Maps SOON. I won't be buying Resistance or Clan waves until I see a massive improvement in overall mechanics, content, and a complete revamp of CW, because it's a failed attempt at this point. Many GOOD solutions exist on these forums to these problems, PGI needs to start finding the root of the problems rather than trim the branches of the problem tree.

[Atlai]

This is coming from a long time player and someone who frequently cannot control them self from buying new mechs, I think they should re-open the Phoenix. I have Founders, Phoenix, Clan Waves 1 and 3, and I don't have any problem losing any "Snowflake status" by them selling those mechs again. Its not all that of a big deal, some people say that they should leave it closed for the false advertisement issues, and I can understand that. But personally I really like this game, and PGI has servers they must keep online in order for me to continue enjoying this game, so if they can make a bit more cash on the side from people buying this package, I think that's cool.

If people are so concerned about their snowflakyness, maybe PGI could give existing Phoenix members a unique gift or something, I don't know.

[ShadowbaneX]

Twilight Fenrir, on 19 May 2015 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well, all you conspiracy fanaticists can eat crow It's pretty close right now, but looks like the answer will be a resounding 'NO'.

Do you even know what these words mean? "Pretty close" and "resounding 'NO'" are mutually exclusive.

As for the rest, your personal self-worth is in no way tied to what you own...especially when it's digital crab. There's a saying I heard once that goes something like "the more meaningless the politics the more viciously people will fight over it...and it's pretty close to the situation here.

The only thing that was really worthwhile out of the Phoenix packs was the early release, the ability to play those mechs before others. Now? There's no real value to it, so, of course people are arguing tooth and nail for it.

[Arctur]

Why so many "no"?
With "yes" PGI will make some cash. Is it bad? Without money for developers the game just will die...
With "yes" some new players will get some "exclusive" pics at their comps and will be happy. Is it bad, to make people happy?
Dont be greedy, guys, it is just a game, online game btw, more people here - better for game and better for you...

[Ceefood]

I haven't read the full thread but I think its interesting that on the Project Phoenix page there is this

A: The Phoenix Variants of each Project Phoenix Battlemech comes packed with the following cosmetic and functional perks:
Unique and Exclusive Custom Designed Exterior
30% C-Bill boost
10% Loyalty Point Boost
Important! These Phoenix Variants will NEVER again be available to purchase or to unlock once the sale offer has ended.

The bold & underlined is my emphasis

but even saying that I will still vote yes - if it raises more funds then that is good for the game
even if it means they are going back on their word of NEVER & one of the reasons I bought was cause they would NEVER be available again

going by the poll so far though looks like the answer will be no

[The Great Unwashed]

You're asking people who already bought the package already if it should be on sale again. How silly is that? Of course many will vote no; they already have the package

It is beyond me why they would ask if a package that was supposed to be a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" should be released again (hey guys, do you mind we break out word? Yes/no?) and it is clumsy beyond belief to state on twitter than even if the vote is yes they might still not do it. Why bother asking at all?

What they should have done is put the package on sale---no questions asked---when they met the 65,000 kills.

But let me translate the question:

Do you want to have more over-quirked Battlemasters and Thunderbolts in CW? 25% more range for large lasers and 50% more range for medium pulses? Even shorter beam durations? 30% more PPC speed at 25% less heat and firing 25% faster?

No. May the Quirk not be with you.

Edited by The Great Unwashed, 20 May 2015 - 12:26 AM.