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[Ang3lsDem0n]

This topic makes me laugh honestly. The fact that you'd cancel over something as a nerf is just silly. You need to learn to adapt to changes as they come. It is also funny that some say that the TBR and SCR are the only good clan mechs out there. I don't believe it is that the other clan mechs are bad, Just that you're bad with the other clan mechs. If you actually take the time and play with other mech, you can make any mech work and be good. Every clan mech needs to played differently to bring out its full potential. Don't follow some posted meta on the forums either, spend time and build something that works for YOU. Just because the meta works for some doesn't mean that it work for you as well.

[Nightshade24]

DemonicD3, on 16 May 2015 - 05:21 PM, said:

You're kidding me right? IS mechs are only tiered upon how PGI quirks them and how the hardpoints are because without those quirks Clans will just dominate them every time. Most Clan mechs are Tier 1-2 mechs, don't know where you got your tier ranks from.

Even without quirks, a jagermech or catapult will still be superior to a mad dog.
Any IS light mech will be superior to a Clan light besides the role of LRM boat.
Nova is inferior to the hunchback.
Stormcrow (ballistic-wise) is inferior to the hunchback/ centurion/ shadowhawk.
(Ballistic+ Missile) inferior to the grid iron/ Shadowhawk/ Centurion
(energy) inferrior to the shadowhawk (due to ghost heat for 3 er large lasers not present for IS but present for shadowhawk, all 3 are high mounted on a good mech and will out do the stormcrow in damage from 440 meters+)
Summoner will be inferior to the Thunderbolt (thunderbolt can do nearly any build the summoner can do but to a much higher standard without quirks)
Summoner will be inferior to the Catapult in terms of missiles. Only saving grace is if NARC is thrown with the missile build, it will have an edge over a catapult with NARC/ TAG.
Hellbringer (without ECM) will be inferior to thunderbolt and quickdraw. (only saving grace is head laser or ams)
Hellbringer (with ECM) will be inferior to the cataphract 0X. (assuming it has that ubber high ballistic hardpoint, it already has high-ish energies)
Direwolf has issues competeting with mechs like King crab. When quirks are in question direwolf has issues competing with dragon. (ballistic wise) or Jagermech. Energy wise it has issues competing with any stalker/ battlemaster without quirks.
Warhawk (E) has issues competing with the awesome / stalker.
Warhawk (M) has issues competing with the Stalker/ Catapult/ Battlemaster.
Timberwolf (M/ B /and/or mix E) will have issues competing with cataphract/ grasshopper/ (I just forgot a IS heavy... name is on the tip of my tongue...)

Timberwolf and Stormcrow with E meta builds is the only thing that would be the meta if all quirks are removed. However the stormcrow will have competition and the stalker and other high E hardpoint mechs for IS will have an edge over the clans due to lack of ghost heat.

Ang3lsDem0n, on 16 May 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

This topic makes me laugh honestly. The fact that you'd cancel over something as a nerf is just silly. You need to learn to adapt to changes as they come. It is also funny that some say that the TBR and SCR are the only good clan mechs out there. I don't believe it is that the other clan mechs are bad, Just that you're bad with the other clan mechs. If you actually take the time and play with other mech, you can make any mech work and be good. Every clan mech needs to played differently to bring out its full potential. Don't follow some posted meta on the forums either, spend time and build something that works for YOU. Just because the meta works for some doesn't mean that it work for you as well.

He is adapting to changes. he cancelled his purchase to get something else ie Resistance II. That's him adapting to the situation.

[Yokaiko]

Daisu Saikoro, on 16 May 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

What a disrespectful attitude to people who work to bring us the game we play and love.
Perhaps being constructive and not referring them as idiots would be a good step.

Nope they have more than earned EVERY negative comment.

[Naduk]

timber and scrow had this coming for a long time
if you think they are anything other than OP your completely delusional

time to find a new crutch you bads

[Yokaiko]

Naduk, on 16 May 2015 - 11:06 PM, said:

timber and scrow had this coming for a long time
if you think they are anything other than OP your completely delusional

time to find a new crutch you bads

Yeah, they are all IS, and that stalker didn't take a fraction of the hit that Timberwolf did (note the the 245 ton deck, the only change is a spider for that FS9)

Edited by Yokaiko, 16 May 2015 - 11:10 PM.

[VorpalAnvil]

"What a disrespectful attitude to people who work to bring us the game we play and love.
Perhaps being constructive and not referring them as idiots would be a good step. "

Yokaiko, on 16 May 2015 - 11:02 PM, said:

Nope they have more than earned EVERY negative comment.

Though I agree with you in spirit Daisu, they (PGI) are either greedy or ignorant. Neither of those is positive traits.

Edited by VorpalAnvil, 16 May 2015 - 11:32 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

Maybe PGI needed to nerf some of the tier 1 clans because they were overpowered? These refund threat threads are going to be yummy comedy gold.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Nerfs and buffs are all part of an ongoing quest for balance, and it's not just limited to PGI.
Blizzard, to name one of the video game giants in the industry, constantly balance their games. WoW, Diablo, Starcraft... classes, races, builds all rise and fall.

Just like any other game, when you're playing the best classes in the game, what do you think is going to happen? Seriously.

[Yokaiko]

MoonUnitBeta, on 16 May 2015 - 11:48 PM, said:

Nerfs and buffs are all part of an ongoing quest for balance, and it's not just limited to PGI.
Blizzard, to name one of the video game giants in the industry, constantly balance their games. WoW, Diablo, Starcraft... classes, races, builds all rise and fall.

Just like any other game, when you're playing the best classes in the game, what do you think is going to happen? Seriously.

Blizzard, whom I swore I would never give another penny? (and haven't)

[MoonUnitBeta]

Yokaiko, on 16 May 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

Blizzard, whom I swore I would never give another penny? (and haven't)

W/e that's your problem, I'm just saying that game balance is constantly in effect.
If you're too short sighted to see that, and are one of those people that demand perfection on the first try, then that's your problem and not PGI's or Blizzards.
Get your panties untangled and play the changes first on Tuesday.
Like I said, what do you expect PGI to do with overpowered builds and mechs? Just go "Oh well! Can't change it now, or else Yokaiko will throw a hissy fit! Maybe we should buff 180 mechs instead of nerfing three or four. "

[Anjian]

I cancelled my Wave 3 pack ($120) last April for quite a number of reasons. I'm glad that I did.

[Yokaiko]

MoonUnitBeta, on 16 May 2015 - 11:55 PM, said:

W/e that's your problem, I'm just saying that game balance is constantly in effect.
If you're too short sighted to see that, and are one of those people that demand perfection on the first try, then that's your problem and not PGI's or Blizzards.
Get your panties untangled and play the changes first on Tuesday.
Like I said, what do you expect PGI to do with overpowered builds and mechs? Just go "Oh well! Can't change it now, or else Yokaiko will throw a hissy fit! Maybe we should buff 180 mechs instead of nerfing three or four. "

I don't care that it changed, but its (another) drastic measure over essentially whining.

You understand that most common builds for timber wolf have at least 4 E hardpoints? at least. So just using prime arms for back up weapons makes a MPL burn for .952 seconds, longer than a 10% quirked IS Llas.

So build a Timber that doesn't have a lot of E points. Like so? http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eadcd14982dba56

Way to hot? http://mwo.smurfy-ne...54e4c43dbb500f7

You only ever get one ballistic arm, the -C CT is out because it has a E point, the S -RT same thing, don't go near the -A ST that thing totally mangles everything energy. You can't go without a left arm so you are getting that hit there.

Its not a change its a hammer, and the idea that its even remotely acceptable makes me think that most of the playerbase and ALL of the dev team is developmentally challenged.

Edited by Yokaiko, 17 May 2015 - 12:11 AM.

[EisenKralle]

Ok if PGI take out the Nerf hammer the second time against the clans and push up the IS to the godlike defenders of all times, i cancel the whole game. Im tired of getting nerfed all the time because the skill less gamer on IS side cryin all the time that they cant kill a whole Claner lance by her own! IN BATTLETECH THE F..... CLAN MECHS ARE BETTER WARMACHINES than the IS mechs! And MWO nerf them to perm. overheating scrap. But the real scrap IS are getting more and more to the real Warmachines. So the Clans come back to IS planets and raid them with overheated toasters and coffee machines....

[DarklightCA]

Nightshade24, on 16 May 2015 - 06:38 PM, said:

Even without quirks, a jagermech or catapult will still be superior to a mad dog.
Any IS light mech will be superior to a Clan light besides the role of LRM boat.
Nova is inferior to the hunchback.
Stormcrow (ballistic-wise) is inferior to the hunchback/ centurion/ shadowhawk.
(Ballistic+ Missile) inferior to the grid iron/ Shadowhawk/ Centurion
(energy) inferrior to the shadowhawk (due to ghost heat for 3 er large lasers not present for IS but present for shadowhawk, all 3 are high mounted on a good mech and will out do the stormcrow in damage from 440 meters+)
Summoner will be inferior to the Thunderbolt (thunderbolt can do nearly any build the summoner can do but to a much higher standard without quirks)
Summoner will be inferior to the Catapult in terms of missiles. Only saving grace is if NARC is thrown with the missile build, it will have an edge over a catapult with NARC/ TAG.
Hellbringer (without ECM) will be inferior to thunderbolt and quickdraw. (only saving grace is head laser or ams)
Hellbringer (with ECM) will be inferior to the cataphract 0X. (assuming it has that ubber high ballistic hardpoint, it already has high-ish energies)
Direwolf has issues competeting with mechs like King crab. When quirks are in question direwolf has issues competing with dragon. (ballistic wise) or Jagermech. Energy wise it has issues competing with any stalker/ battlemaster without quirks.
Warhawk (E) has issues competing with the awesome / stalker.
Warhawk (M) has issues competing with the Stalker/ Catapult/ Battlemaster.
Timberwolf (M/ B /and/or mix E) will have issues competing with cataphract/ grasshopper/ (I just forgot a IS heavy... name is on the tip of my tongue...)

Timberwolf and Stormcrow with E meta builds is the only thing that would be the meta if all quirks are removed. However the stormcrow will have competition and the stalker and other high E hardpoint mechs for IS will have an edge over the clans due to lack of ghost heat.


He is adapting to changes. he cancelled his purchase to get something else ie Resistance II. That's him adapting to the situation.

The only thing about your whole comment is that it's completely unproven. Competitively the most used mechs in nearly all categories except lights are Clans. Direwolfs get used a lot more then IS assaults, even the 4N. Timberwolfs and Hellbringers are always the heavy choice. It's usually 50/50 between Wolverines and Stormcrows but Wolverines complete a specific role and Stormcrows can be outfitted to do pretty much anything. Completely your statement is incorrect.

Also a Grid Iron, Centurion and Shadowhawk are nowhere near as good as a Stormcrow. I have no idea what you are smoking.

[Tarogato]

"PGI nerfing the two best Clan chassis is just a ploy to get us to buy Wave III"

"PGI is bait-and-switching"

"PGI is going to nerf Wave III into the ground after they soak us dry for every dollar"

"I want a refund for Wave I and I want to cancel my order for Wave III"


... get a grip. The SCR is hands down the best medium mech in the game. The TBR is hands down the best heavy mech in the game. They need to be nerfed. Apparently the best philosophy is "they should never nerf things that I bought, I have the right to an overpowered chassis because I paid real money for it."

Please.

Maybe now some other Clan chassis (that you paid real money for) will have a chance to see the light of day.

[Bows3r]

About time for them to get nerfed. However I think they could have scaled it back just a bit. We'll be seeing somewhat more 'mech diversity in top tier play as a result, but mostly more Hellbringers.

Edited by Bows3r, 17 May 2015 - 01:51 AM.

[Der Hesse]

EisenKralle, on 17 May 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

Ok if PGI take out the Nerf hammer the second time against the clans and push up the IS to the godlike defenders of all times, i cancel the whole game. Im tired of getting nerfed all the time because the skill less gamer on IS side cryin all the time that they cant kill a whole Claner lance by her own! IN BATTLETECH THE F..... CLAN MECHS ARE BETTER WARMACHINES than the IS mechs! And MWO nerf them to perm. overheating scrap. But the real scrap IS are getting more and more to the real Warmachines. So the Clans come back to IS planets and raid them with overheated toasters and coffee machines....

See ya! ^^

[Nightshade24]

DemonicD3, on 17 May 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

The only thing about your whole comment is that it's completely unproven. Competitively the most used mechs in nearly all categories except lights are Clans. Direwolfs get used a lot more then IS assaults, even the 4N. Timberwolfs and Hellbringers are always the heavy choice. It's usually 50/50 between Wolverines and Stormcrows but Wolverines complete a specific role and Stormcrows can be outfitted to do pretty much anything. Completely your statement is incorrect.

Also a Grid Iron, Centurion and Shadowhawk are nowhere near as good as a Stormcrow. I have no idea what you are smoking.

I will use the same trick you used.
-ahem- "your whole comment is that it's completely unproven".

that out of the way.

Really? Because the SOLID statistics from PGI says that All Clan assaults numbers barely gets higher then a stalker 4N. and that's just 1 stalker. total number of stalkers dwarfs the total number of direwolfs.

You forgot the jagers, the catapult K2, the dragon 1N, the Thunderbolts, etc. Which some of those mech numbers dwarfs the hellbringers but not the timberwolf because it's the only clan mech that's 60 tons to 100 tons that's viable atm. (that may change by tuesday), etc.

And ahem...

Grid iron does 1 Gauss, 1 [optional] (X) missile, and [optional] (X) energies better then Gauss stormcrow.
Grid iron does most (X) ballistic, (X) energy, and (X) missile better then any (X) ballistic Stormcrow
Centurion does better LBX 10 + (X) energy + (X) missile then any stormcrow LBX 10 config.
Centurion does better AC 20 + (X) energy / (X) missile then any stormcrow UAC20/ AC 20 / LBX 20 stormcrow config.
Shadowhawk can do any abllsitic build better.
Shadowhawk with 3 ER large lasers out peform any Stormcrow Energy mid+ range build.
Shadowhawk with 3 Streaks 3 ER large laser/ large lasers can out do any stormcrow mixed energy streak build.

etc...

The thing I am "smoking" is this thing called oxygen. you can get a lot of it outside. You should go outside more often. open the window sometimes. it helps.

[Der Hesse]

Another Clan Wolf howling.

[Dragomir Kies]

Wanted to buy up to Ebony Jaguar but, no thanks now need to consider if I want to stay in this game or just cut my losses