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[Gremlich Johns]

MauttyKoray, on 16 May 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

Useless? HAHAHAHA, omg you're kidding right? I don't even have to go into Clan mechs are the Stormcrow and Timberwolf are two of the HIGHEST PERFORMING CLAN MECHS IN THE GAME.

That is because the majority of the pilots using them are BETTER pilots, not because the Tech is necessarily better.

Knockdown coupled with appropriate hit registration needs to be reintroduced because a light mechs should not be able to last so long. An AC20 or an Alpha strike to a light mech within 100m should knock it to the ground where it can quickly be dispatched.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 17 May 2015 - 06:53 AM.

[Yokaiko]

Gremlich Johns, on 17 May 2015 - 06:50 AM, said:

That is because the majority of the pilots using them are BETTER pilots, not because the Tech is necessarily better.

Knockdown coupled with appropriate hit registration needs to be reintroduced because a light mechs should not be able to last so long. An AC20 or an Alpha strike to a light mech within 100m should knock it to the ground where it can quickly be dispatched.

I can start trotting out screanies of me killing 10-12 of THE MOST POWERFUL MECHS IN THE GAME with my lowly IS crap.

People need to learn to play.

Edited by Yokaiko, 17 May 2015 - 06:54 AM.

[Gremlich Johns]

Yokaiko, on 17 May 2015 - 06:53 AM, said:

I can start trotting out screanies of me killing 10-12 of THE MOST POWERFUL MECHS IN THE GAME with my lowly IS crap.

People need to learn to play.

I stated majority, not everybody. And pilot what makes you successful - I still take out my HBK-4G(F) and wreak wonderful havoc on Clan tech - like the Timby or Direwolf. Yes, people need to learn to play because there will always be pilots better than each of us.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 17 May 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[The UNremembered]

Pity those guys that have these mechs are not for meta builds once again. Maybe it's time to PGI think seriously about the fixing permanent weapon slots on all mechs.

Edited by Losyara, 17 May 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[Catra Lanis]

MechaBattler, on 16 May 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Firestarters are a pain in the ass because of bad hit registration. But also the small pulse laser variant is a beast for it's size.

The changes they made are things that people in the community have been asking for. They didn't just make this decision from no where.

And the new Clan mechs aren't out yet. But I gotta admit with the Timber and Stormcrow nerfed. The new Clan mechs probably will be all the more desirable. So perhaps the timing is a bit suspicious.

I don't recall having problems killing a 2X nor have I read a lot of threads about how OP it is.

[Yokaiko]

Catra Lanis, on 17 May 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

I don't recall having problems killing a 2X nor have I read a lot of threads about how OP it is.

I don't have problems killing Timbers, or Stormcrows for that matter, I don't even use Timber in my clan decks, like ever.

[Catra Lanis]

Lily from animove, on 17 May 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Come on, tbr and scr needed a tweak downwards since they entered the game, and FS9 was overbuffed the entire time. Just compare it with a commando, and its sad to see where the commandows point should be.

The raven buff, strange since ravens are some of the most surviving lights next to the FS9, mostly caused by Hitreg issues. But thn its only the 2X which had it hard to be chosen over others.

Some see conspiracy in anything a dev does, But you cna happily continue, because a ton of this stuff will still come due to lack of balance that still exists.

You don't have to believe in conspiracies to see that at least part of the reason for the nerfs is simply business. Engineered obsolence is a fact and has existed since the 50's, manufacturers have stated it themselves, this is simply the virtual version.

[Chuanhao]

I do not agree that this is even a Sales Tactic. It is PGI's continuous attempt at balancing the game. It should be appreciated in the least, lauded even!!

The Balance Process.

1) Quirks are added to under-performing mechs to improve viability.

2) Tukayyid demonstrated clearly which mechs were OP with quirks, or as is.

3) Comments for nerfing OP mechs, and buffing non-OP mechs are solicited from players.

4) PGI acts on suggestions and buffs some, and nerfs some.

PGI will not know how new mechs perform until we the players give it the "treatment". So after some time for players to have a go at them, they either nerf or they buff.

They tell you that they will buff / nerf mechs even before you buy them as they wish. As players, we should have expected this and not go overboard to minmax everything down to specific weapon modules. And what goes around comes around. I half expect SRM buffs to HUGINN to be amended in the not too distant future. I more than half expect the QQ when it happens.

I think most people bought their mechs with their hard earned Cbills with their eyes wide open. This is quite a good idea.

I have three Timberwolfs. I play them STOCK. I will continue to do so. No worries.

[Pjwned]

If anything makes PGI "big bad business" then it's extremely high asking prices for almost everything with little content to show for it and just general incompetence on top of that.

Nerfing your precious laser vomit meta doesn't indicate people/business are out to get you, get a grip if that's what you think.

Edited by Pjwned, 17 May 2015 - 08:05 AM.

[Yokaiko]

Chuanhao, on 17 May 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

2) Tukayyid demonstrated clearly which mechs were OP with quirks, or as is.

Then why did the -5SS escape? It was the single most used IS mech by a decent margin?

Pjwned, on 17 May 2015 - 08:05 AM, said:

Nerfing your precious laser vomit meta doesn't indicate people/business are out to get you, get a grip if that's what you think.

I laser vommit harder with IS

.....and I already asked to refund everything that is coming down the line. Just because they are being stupid.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lord Perversor, on 16 May 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

And competitive Crow will give zero fracks and move to the next Op chassis/combo, rinse and repeat since the dawn of time.

You remind me of the guys who play 40k and cry when rules change and the miniatures they spent 200$ cuz those where the best OP units are no longer OP and need to waste another absurd quantity to remain on top.

I would be mad cause I would have to buy all new minis and then paint them according to the rules to use them in a tourney. That was one thing I could not believe.

[Catra Lanis]

Chuanhao, on 17 May 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

I do not agree that this is even a Sales Tactic. It is PGI's continuous attempt at balancing the game. It should be appreciated in the least, lauded even!!

The Balance Process.

1) Quirks are added to under-performing mechs to improve viability.

2) Tukayyid demonstrated clearly which mechs were OP with quirks, or as is.

3) Comments for nerfing OP mechs, and buffing non-OP mechs are solicited from players.

4) PGI acts on suggestions and buffs some, and nerfs some.

PGI will not know how new mechs perform until we the players give it the "treatment". So after some time for players to have a go at them, they either nerf or they buff.

They tell you that they will buff / nerf mechs even before you buy them as they wish. As players, we should have expected this and not go overboard to minmax everything down to specific weapon modules. And what goes around comes around. I half expect SRM buffs to HUGINN to be amended in the not too distant future. I more than half expect the QQ when it happens.

I think most people bought their mechs with their hard earned Cbills with their eyes wide open. This is quite a good idea.

I have three Timberwolfs. I play them STOCK. I will continue to do so. No worries.

The 2X isn't overpowered in any way shape or form.

[Lord Perversor]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 May 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

I would be mad cause I would have to buy all new minis and then paint them according to the rules to use them in a tourney. That was one thing I could not believe.

That's relative to each tourney some allow unpainted others not GW official also enforce you to come with a mini with at least 60-80% original from their own production.

Just compare it to the Competitive meta crowd in 12v12 you have to come with all your mechs mastered all possible cheese loadouts and mechs available and modules to run them at 100% or they can kick you out.

in 40k competitive you need to bring the most cheese list all minis painted, with the exact right weapons and a university degree into english languague to argue the *real* meaning of a rule.


P.S: and of course there is just ppl who play for Fun and don't give a crap about all of the above.

Edited by Lord Perversor, 17 May 2015 - 09:09 AM.

[StrikerSW]

Void Angel, on 17 May 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

As well, the Clans are getting a fast light in the near future, and light rushing is getting even more attention, to make it harder

Clans are Getting more mechs to replace the ones we bought and were made ineffective. Hmmmmmm why just why would anyone spend more money on buying mechs when they very likely will be nerfed into rolling garbage cans if they prove to be too effective. Already been burned enough; never minding spending the $600.00+ I put into this game as I wanted it to survive and develop into something even better. Call it pay to win if you want to trash the player base that PAYS for all the free game play others enjoy. Further supporting the game with real dollars does not guaranty doing well if you cannot shoot straight or learn the most effective game tactics. Causing the players that pay for this game to regret spending the money and vowing to never drop another dollar will however mean this game will have funding dry up and everyone loses.

[Soul Tribunal]

the wr3ck, on 16 May 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

The current round of quirks is PGI'S new business model. You all need to be aware of this so we can put a stop to it. They are constantly buffing under selling mechs then nerfing them after players have bought them. In the new set of nerfs they make firestarter , timbers, scarecrow, raven 2x, stalkers useless. But they provide new mechs that you can buy that do not have the nerfs, like the artic cheata, shadowcat, and cauldron born. I will not spend any more real money on this horrible business model. They need to stop trying to balance CW with nerfs. I don't play CW because it's boring. The waiting and game play is horrible. If they want my money they need to stop nerfing and buffing for cw. CW is going to be PGI downfall they need to get creative with it instead of greedy.

What they are doing is not a new business model.
They are using the tried and true method of statistical analysis to determine what needs to be changed in the game.

Wargamming has done it since....forever. Bought yourself that Shiny new IS-2 ? Great! 2 Patches later it gets a hull armor nerf and Dispersion Nerf.
Its the way it works in this game and many many others.
You'll never see me screaming at them for what they do, and I've bought every wave/Pack since I started playing full time here.

Perhaps, and this might be stretching it....we will end up with more diversity as a result.
Now that, would be awesome.

-ST

[the wr3ck]

What I am saying is that people need to be aware that this whole process since CW and clan mechs where introduced has been done so HORRIBLY WRONG AND WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE TO MAKE MONEY AT THE COST OF THE PLAYER. The mech packs are outrageously priced. The balance has been screwed with several different times. Each time one play style is made obsolete and another is made over powered. You cannot even test a mech config you don't own with out buying it first. The game is bad design on purpose for the purpose greed.

[Burktross]

Monkey Lover, on 16 May 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

I got cheated on my resistance IS mechs they all sucked and not pay2win Like I been told.

But they were OP!

[Spleenslitta]

the wr3ck, on 16 May 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

The current round of quirks is PGI'S new business model. You all need to be aware of this so we can put a stop to it. They are constantly buffing under selling mechs then nerfing them after players have bought them. In the new set of nerfs they make firestarter useless.

My Firestarters are useless now? Uuuuuh...just because it's harder to pack a FS 9S full of MPLs doesn't mean the mech is useless.
How do i know? - Because i haven't used a single MPL on that Firestarter variant in a veeeery long time and i do just fine without them.

[Moldur]

Lord Perversor, on 16 May 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

And competitive Crow will give zero fracks and move to the next Op chassis/combo, rinse and repeat since the dawn of time.

You remind me of the guys who play 40k and cry when rules change and the miniatures they spent 200$ cuz those where the best OP units are no longer OP and need to waste another absurd quantity to remain on top.

As though the creators are not aware of that. What's to say PGI is not purposely rendering old mechs obsolete to push new mechs to make money.

Edited by Moldur, 17 May 2015 - 11:49 AM.

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Cathy, on 16 May 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

Hey guys, stop playing the victor please, it needs buffs

Oh I don't even wanna hear it. That P2W Dragon Slayer moves like a cat on crack, nuke anything it comes across and can jump for miles.



Also, Lord Perversor, reference above.

Edited by 00ohDstruct, 17 May 2015 - 02:57 PM.