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[Dolph Hoskins]

Catra Lanis, on 18 May 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

Sometimes I'd think it would be better if we simply accepted that some mechs are way better than others and instead concentrated on getting bugs ironed out and better game modes.

You think that would be better only sometimes?

I think it would be better without a doubt, but I also think world peace, clean burning infinite energy, and real life unicorns will come around before acceptance.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Catra Lanis, on 18 May 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

The problem is that I've seen this cycle before in other games. There will never be balance it will go round and round or back and forth if you will until the game shuts down.

Sometimes I'd think it would be better if we simply accepted that some mechs are way better than others and instead concentrated on getting bugs ironed out and better game modes.

As new mechs come out, there is always a chance one will be too powerful, and for the sake of balance, need to be addressed. The same thing goes for weapons. It is a never ending process as long as there is new content constantly being released. This game had a lot of complexity to it (more than a shooter with 20 guns in it), and it will always need tweaking.

It may be a bit tiring at times, but it is very common. Even games known for their balance like StarCraft II sees constant balance patching.

Its just a part of gaming.

[Brody319]

Don't worry, Life finds a way, and that way is the Cauldron-Born

[MeiSooHaityu]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 May 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:

I have one.

I ditched my Misery. It's name described how I felt when I piloted it. I even named mine BuyersRemors ("e" didn't fit).

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 18 May 2015 - 06:17 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

DuoAngel, on 18 May 2015 - 05:32 AM, said:

Facepalming You clearly can not into logic and what was written

You set a impossible goal I give you a logical answer. 400 tons of Mech will always make short work of 100 tons. You asked, "What will You do if you face 4 Dire Wolves?" There is only one thing I will do if I face 4 Dires alone. I will die. it is a given. I also would likely die facing 4 of most mechs. Cause 4 on 1 odds are pretty darn steep. But I'll take good odds against one of your 20 DPS Dires. Why, Cause I try not to be a sitting duck.

To die facing overwhelming odds...

Is a good death.

MeiSooHaityu, on 18 May 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

I ditched my Misery. It's name described how I felt when I piloted it. I even named mine BuyersRemors ("e" didn't fit).

Its as close as I can get to having RoughHouse's Heavy Gauss/PPC Stalker.

[Insects]

Catra Lanis, on 18 May 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

The problem is that I've seen this cycle before in other games. There will never be balance it will go round and round or back and forth if you will until the game shuts down.

Well yeah an online game is constantly evolving with new content and game modes added, new tactics becoming popular due to copycat gameplay, butterfly effect that every change you make will change other unexpected parts of the game.

When this sort of game stagnates then it is finished.

There will never be balance, Wave3 will probably turn everything on its head.
Unless you stop all new content it can't happen.

People want to achieve that one mech and then have it stay best forever.
No mmo style game whether F2P or subscription ever let's that happen.

[Dolph Hoskins]

It seems that only if one uses the A variant omnipod with other 6% nerfed arms will the TBR be less effective then the hellbringer. The TBR still has an armor and mobility advantage that must be taken into account if you are quantifying overall effectiveness.

The Ebon Jag will have even less armor than the HBR so that is a factor as well. Also still no jump jets. I'm still seeing a number of efficient builds that I know will be effective in CW for the TBR. Even ERPPCs can maintain good performance. Weapon modules will be essential though.

But hey, just my opinion.

[Joseph Mallan]

The Ripper13, on 18 May 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

It seems that only if one uses the A variant omnipod with other 6% nerfed arms will the TBR be less effective then the hellbringer. The TBR still has an armor and mobility advantage that must be taken into account if you are quantifying overall effectiveness.

The Ebon Jag will have even less armor than the HBR so that is a factor as well. Also still no jump jets. I'm still seeing a number of efficient builds that I know will be effective in CW for the TBR. Even ERPPCs can maintain good performance. Weapon modules will be essential though.

But hey, just my opinion.

I like how you seem to look at things.

[Novakaine]

Hey Clankers guess what, if you point your guns at a mech they still die.
The tube tykes gettin tubed what fun.

[Green Mamba]

It is Convenient that there is a new Clan Pack that you can buy to replace these old and obsolete ones.Very fortunate for everyone

[Johnny Z]

MeiSooHaityu, on 18 May 2015 - 05:01 AM, said:

El Bandito, it isn't worth it.

They are so enraged that no matter what you or anyone says, the nerf is a travesty. We have the OP claiming the Timby is dead for pete sake. The over the top ridiculousness isn't going to stop no matter what anyone says otherwise.

If you aren't holding a pitchfork with them, they go crazy.

Who knows, maybe there is some truth to it. Maybe 3% here and 6% there will really add up. We won't really know till we play the game for a bit post patch. If it's too severe, it will be altered.

I just think the The Timbies are Dead!! And Ermergerrd...Nerfs!!! posts are serious overreacting at this point...and pretty funny.

Drama queens. Oh well its entertaining. I for one dont think the new quirks went far enough. I fully expect speed and agility nerfs some time.

[Dolph Hoskins]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 May 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

I like how you seem to look at things.

Yeah I try.

I can understand some rage about the TBR A though. I wouldn't even consider using it myself.

[Joseph Mallan]

Green Mamba, on 18 May 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

It is Convenient that there is a new Clan Pack that you can buy to replace these old and obsolete ones.Very fortunate for everyone

looking for that silver lining or a conspiracy theory Green?

[McScwizzy]

They are making sure we don't win Tukayyid again. xD

[Catra Lanis]

joelmuzz, on 18 May 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

Well yeah an online game is constantly evolving with new content and game modes added, new tactics becoming popular due to copycat gameplay, butterfly effect that every change you make will change other unexpected parts of the game.

When this sort of game stagnates then it is finished.

There will never be balance, Wave3 will probably turn everything on its head.
Unless you stop all new content it can't happen.

People want to achieve that one mech and then have it stay best forever.
No mmo style game whether F2P or subscription ever let's that happen.

I'm aware of that but there has to be ways that don't make people feel cheated or at least less cheated. I've bought my Timberwolves and Stormcrows for C-bills, I actually regret that I didn't buy them for RL money because my time is more valuable.

[MechWarrior849305]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 May 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

Conversation closed I have no more time for you.
Read first, think then.
Repeat.
If you think that you've understood - reply. Only in that order.

[Weeny Machine]

Green Mamba, on 18 May 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

It is Convenient that there is a new Clan Pack that you can buy to replace these old and obsolete ones.Very fortunate for everyone

Pure coincidence!

[Mister Blastman]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 May 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

You set a impossible goal I give you a logical answer. 400 tons of Mech will always make short work of 100 tons. You asked, "What will You do if you face 4 Dire Wolves?" There is only one thing I will do if I face 4 Dires alone. I will die. it is a given. I also would likely die facing 4 of most mechs. Cause 4 on 1 odds are pretty darn steep. But I'll take good odds against one of your 20 DPS Dires. Why, Cause I try not to be a sitting duck.

To die facing overwhelming odds...

Is a good death.


Its as close as I can get to having RoughHouse's Heavy Gauss/PPC Stalker.

But why die... when you can win?



Now if we only have 8v8 back...

Never seen that movie, btw.

[TB Freelancer]

Corpral ellenbogen, on 18 May 2015 - 05:52 AM, said:

these nerfs are nothing a good pilot cant addapt too and overcome stop being so negative

No point in trying to explain that to a bad pilot. They just lack what it takes to understand.

Anyway, for those who do are capable, from the numbers the quirk pass is fairly mild, nowhere near the boost you get when fully mastering a mech vs. one with no skills unlocked. Some of those red numbers will actually benefit bad pilots even if they're too stupid to understand it.

[Green Mamba]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 May 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

looking for that silver lining or a conspiracy theory Green?

Its a business model, no conspiracy is needed ..It does happen only factor is if PGI does it .You can judge the facts and the history of a company's actions