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[Knyx]

MeiSooHaityu, on 19 May 2015 - 05:36 AM, said:

Charge back on a credit card is basically for fraud or maybe a business wrongfully charging your card without your permission. It is not because you willfully bought something and later decided you didn't want it.

If you call and try to charge back a purchase like this, the credit card customer support should tell you to contact PGI and clear it up with them (ask a proper refund).

Using charge back because you rightfully get denied a refund or because you don't feel customer service is moving fast enough is abuse of the system.

Except if they change what you purchased, you can easily argue that what you purchased no longer exists and was forcefully taken from you.

An abuse of the system or not is purely opinion.

[Chrome Magnus]

Knyx, on 19 May 2015 - 03:21 AM, said:

My bank says otherwise. I know for a fact I could chargeback , a fact. So are you going to say my bank is completely unique.. cuz it's not a small bank either.

you can try, very often the charge-backs are denied/reversed again, leaving the buyer with exactly what they purchased. Which in this case was a digital commodity which they new full well was likely to be changed in the future. I know this for a fact as part of my old job was dealing with gits trying to make unjustified charge-backs. The other side of the coin is that your card company becomes less likely to side with you the more often you use this tactic so use it sparingly.

[MuchasGracias]

Hi,

I will post it easy.

If you had a Timberwolf you will receive a nerf from 0 to -20 % (sum all omnipods)

If you had a Stalker, you get a "NERF" from 10 % to 7,5 %.

So in total the IS are still BUFFED, but the timberwolf is definitely dead. The differences are now more then before :/

GJ PGI, I want my MONEY back

[Knyx]

Chrome Magnus, on 19 May 2015 - 06:33 AM, said:

you can try, very often the charge-backs are denied/reversed again, leaving the buyer with exactly what they purchased. Which in this case was a digital commodity which they new full well was likely to be changed in the future. I know this for a fact as part of my old job was dealing with gits trying to make unjustified charge-backs. The other side of the coin is that your card company becomes less likely to side with you the more often you use this tactic so use it sparingly.

100% incorrect. 99% of chargebacks are forced by your bank, regardless of what the seller/merchant claims. Your bank is there to serve you and not the merchant.

In most cases you also have two avenues of a charge back if your card is also through your bank and you used the card as a credit card regardless of what it is.

I have done chargebacks before, not only did they NOT show up on my credit reports, but they went through right away and my bank just sent me a paper each time to sign as a formality.

[sCOREscream]

Bye Timber, R.I.P.

Nerfhammer killed you. Bummer !
There are more IS-Players in MWO, because clan mechs are hard to earn, expensive and so for pilots at the start of playing MWO not the easy way. And thats why more people a playing IS mechs and why more people are writing in forums again and again to nerf the clan-mechs, there are more IS-pilots than Clan-pilots. And many of them have never played enough clan AND is mechs to have the experience to talk about it, but everyone needs to show their opinion. Why are the Ghost Bears down to two planets, the Jaguars down to one planet??? Because of the quirks! But you are talking about the distance of clan lasers....pffff....how to use a clan laser if it overheat every time your mech? But a Stalker with 4 ER Large Laser is ok, a Firestarter with 8 Small Pulse Laser without overheating or my Thunderbolt which I can fire 4 PPCs in a Alpha in terra therma the whole time.....really???
So many pilots are talkig about posts, calculations and tables......haven't played enough mechs of both sides....don't write and read, PLAY and GAIN EXPERIENCE my friends.
I'm sorry, this thematic is hard. I am allowed to play with my clan 2 weeks IS and 4 weeks Clan, I know what I'm talking about, because I see it every time. My clan mechs are in the lumber-room, I hope not for too long...
hmmmmmm....
It is not easy to balance this game, PGI is doing mostly a good job.
not easy...not easy...not easy.....

[XX Sulla XX]

Funny been playing laser vomit timber wolf today after patch and works just fine. It is alive and well.

[Yokaiko]

sCOREscream, on 19 May 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Bye Timber, R.I.P.

Nerfhammer killed you. Bummer !
There are more IS-Players in MWO, because clan mechs are hard to earn, expensive and so for pilots at the start of playing MWO not the easy way. And thats why more people a playing IS mechs and why more people are writing in forums again and again to nerf the clan-mechs, there are more IS-pilots than Clan-pilots. And many of them have never played enough clan AND is mechs to have the experience to talk about it, but everyone needs to show their opinion.

Oddly the most expensive mech in my mechbay is a Banshee at 19mil invested

....and they ALL have engines, all 141.

[MechWarrior5152251]

You mean we will see clan mechs besides SCRs and TBRs in Clan Warfare? LOL....

sCOREscream, on 19 May 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Bye Timber, R.I.P.

Nerfhammer killed you. Bummer !
There are more IS-Players in MWO, because clan mechs are hard to earn, expensive and so for pilots at the start of playing MWO not the easy way. And thats why more people a playing IS mechs and why more people are writing in forums again and again to nerf the clan-mechs, there are more IS-pilots than Clan-pilots. And many of them have never played enough clan AND is mechs to have the experience to talk about it, but everyone needs to show their opinion. Why are the Ghost Bears down to two planets, the Jaguars down to one planet??? Because of the quirks! But you are talking about the distance of clan lasers....pffff....how to use a clan laser if it overheat every time your mech? But a Stalker with 4 ER Large Laser is ok, a Firestarter with 8 Small Pulse Laser without overheating or my Thunderbolt which I can fire 4 PPCs in a Alpha in terra therma the whole time.....really???
So many pilots are talkig about posts, calculations and tables......haven't played enough mechs of both sides....don't write and read, PLAY and GAIN EXPERIENCE my friends.
I'm sorry, this thematic is hard. I am allowed to play with my clan 2 weeks IS and 4 weeks Clan, I know what I'm talking about, because I see it every time. My clan mechs are in the lumber-room, I hope not for too long...
hmmmmmm....
It is not easy to balance this game, PGI is doing mostly a good job.
not easy...not easy...not easy.....

LOL, I want to play the game you are playing. LOL. You obviously have never piloted a FS9 or a Thunderbolt...

[Serpieri]

You can always get in touch with your CC company and do a charge back and hopefully one day laws will be set regarding the purchases of virtual items regarding quality, changes done after the product is sold, and so on to protect consumers from changes that a company employs or it's unwillingness to correct flaws.

[Chrome Magnus]

Knyx, on 19 May 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

100% incorrect. 99% of chargebacks are forced by your bank, regardless of what the seller/merchant claims. Your bank is there to serve you and not the merchant.

In most cases you also have two avenues of a charge back if your card is also through your bank and you used the card as a credit card regardless of what it is.

I have done chargebacks before, not only did they NOT show up on my credit reports, but they went through right away and my bank just sent me a paper each time to sign as a formality.

Knyx, on 19 May 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

100% incorrect. 99% of chargebacks are forced by your bank, regardless of what the seller/merchant claims. Your bank is there to serve you and not the merchant.

In most cases you also have two avenues of a charge back if your card is also through your bank and you used the card as a credit card regardless of what it is.

I have done chargebacks before, not only did they NOT show up on my credit reports, but they went through right away and my bank just sent me a paper each time to sign as a formality.

lol sorry but you are the one who is wrong and just making up numbers. Here, let me spell out how it usually works in the real world. You request a chargeback and your bank/card processes it. They give you back your money but you are not guaranteed to get to keep it as they will then work with the merchant to get the rest of the story/determine if it is a valid reason. While they do lean towards letting you keep the money (even if it's questionable) if you haven't done many times, people can be and are denied. Remember, they know that no reasonable person should do many chargebacks and while banks tolerance vary, they will be more and more likely to deny you if you keep pushing questionable claims.

You're not an expert because you decided to welch on some deals or made poor purchasing decisions and ran a couple of chargebacks. Hell, I used to deal with these as part of my job and am still not an expert but I know you are dead wrong. I have very clear memories of people calling in to yell about their chargeback being reversed. Then came the usual BBB/Attorney General/bomb threats... lol

[Clownwarlord]

Um do the timber wolf still have missile options? Does it still have balistic options? Then no worries your energy be nerfed but you still have other options

[TygerLily]

I cry no tears. To heavy? Ida know, Timbers and Crows have been wrecking **** mercilessly for a year. Finally, everything else takes a step forward because they finally took a step back.

I say this as a huge fan of the laser vomit Crow (it has my most matches played and is a 3.0 k/d)

[Aresye]

clownwarlord, on 19 May 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

Um do the timber wolf still have missile options? Does it still have balistic options? Then no worries your energy be nerfed but you still have other options

You apparently have never played with clan missiles or ballistics. There aren't too many non-laser options besides SRMs/SSRMs, and I hate close range fighting.

[Axeman1]

I'm really feeling those nerfs on my timberwolf, really just more glad I didn't waste $500 on a golden one like some people did . Oh well, times like these I'm glad I have so many more mechs to pilot and win with instead.

[Shinikaru]

The TBR changes brought it a bit closer inline, but theyre a bit too overdone.

What really puts my panties in a twist is how overpowering and well the thunderbolts and stalkers did for the IS owning up maps during the Battle of Tukayyid event with laservomit just plain penning up entire drops. (they posted numbers at the end showing those were some of the most played mechs...for a reason)

If you break out the nerf-bat, try to even out those swings PGI. Your one on one off approach is reminiscient of the LRM changes durning lrmageddon.

They'll get it right eventually, but they overshot imo.

[James Howlett]

Green Mamba, on 18 May 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

It is Convenient that there is a new Clan Pack that you can buy to replace these old and obsolete ones.Very fortunate for everyone

Even better, the multiple energy hardpoint version set (TBR-A and SCR- in the store don't seem to have the nerfs...very convenient, if I wanted to fork over another $125 total, lol.

[MuchasGracias]

XX Sulla XX, on 19 May 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

Funny been playing laser vomit timber wolf today after patch and works just fine. It is alive and well.

Same. I expected more serious disadvantages from this nerf. But just + 20 % cooldown time, and 20 % duration. Its okay, but somehow quite HEAVY.

Axeman1, on 19 May 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

I'm really feeling those nerfs on my timberwolf, really just more glad I didn't waste $500 on a golden one like some people did . Oh well, times like these I'm glad I have so many more mechs to pilot and win with instead.

LOL LUCKY YOU and I have to ADMIT also LUCKY ME, I don't have a golden mech

Edited by MuchasGracias, 20 May 2015 - 02:54 AM.

[Molossian Dog]

Green Mamba, on 18 May 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

It is Convenient that there is a new Clan Pack that you can buy to replace these old and obsolete ones.Very fortunate for everyone

That is a lie. A dirty, dirty lie. Oh, the humanity, why are you lieing?

PGI would never abuse the power fantasies of adolescent basement dwellers by vicious powercreep-nerf-sale cycles!

I will just point to the history of honesty and righteousness of these stalwart...

Oh wait...

Edited by Molossian Dog, 20 May 2015 - 03:05 AM.

[Duke Nedo]

So much childish bs going on on the forums lately, I'm embarrassed. Just saying. All digital commodities in online games are subject to balance. Always. Deal with it.

To make things worse, the TBR and SCR were not that hard nerfed anyways. Only one build was. It's like I would cry for a refund for all mechs I ever purchased because they nerfed PPC speed, and I want to only use PPC builds and now they suuuuckkk.

Get over yourselves. Really.

[Ens]

i lol´d on the OP