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[Hit the Deck]

I think SARNA is usually quite clear on Clan Omnis because it's written there on the page. But take the Kodiak for example, how do people like me know if it's a Clan Battlemech and not Omni aside from knowing that Clan Ghost Bear designed her?

I like the Imp because she's well designed (hardpoints VS cockpit location, hardpoint number and types) but I think she's a Clan Battlemech so we probably wouldn't get her. And most importantly, Alex already made a concept art for the Imp!

Spoiler

Edited by Hit the Deck, 20 May 2015 - 05:49 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Descriptions list Omni's as Omni's and Mechs as Mechs. Look up a Omni and check the description.

[Hit the Deck]

Almond Brown, on 20 May 2015 - 07:09 AM, said:

Descriptions list Omni's as Omni's and Mechs as Mechs. Look up a Omni and check the description.

Ah, okay. So if there's no mention of Omnimech under a mech's description and a Clan designed it, it must be a Clan Battlemech? And it also uses Clan weapons? Is everything designed by the Clan mounts Clan weaponry?

[Yokaiko]

Hit the Deck, on 20 May 2015 - 07:18 AM, said:

Ah, okay. So if there's no mention of Omnimech under a mech's description and a Clan designed it, it must be a Clan Battlemech? And it also uses Clan weapons? Is everything designed by the Clan mounts Clan weaponry?

No its real simple

Omni pods = omni mech
Clan Battlemechs are just battlemechs, no Omni-pods.

[Hit the Deck]

Yokaiko, on 20 May 2015 - 07:23 AM, said:

No its real simple

Omni pods = omni mech
Clan Battlemechs are just battlemechs, no Omni-pods.

But my only BT source is SARNA and it's not mentioned there if a mech is equipped with omnipods or not.

[Lord Perversor]

Hit the Deck, on 20 May 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

But my only BT source is SARNA and it's not mentioned there if a mech is equipped with omnipods or not.

Easiest way is looking at variants. Alt Config A-B-C means Omni, variants like 1-2-3 or 1A-4X means normal battlemech

[Strum Wealh]

Hit the Deck, on 20 May 2015 - 05:43 AM, said:

I think SARNA is usually quite clear on Clan Omnis because it's written there on the page. But take the Kodiak for example, how do people like me know if it's a Clan Battlemech and not Omni aside from knowing that Clan Ghost Bear designed her?

I like the Imp because she's well designed (hardpoints VS cockpit location, hardpoint number and types) but I think she's a Clan Battlemech so we probably wouldn't get her. And most importantly, Alex already made a concept art for the Imp!

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One can refer to the TROs (which will generally say so in the unit description) and/or CGL's Master Unit List (which usually says "Unit Type: BattleMech" for non-Omni 'Mechs or "Unit Type: BattleMech - OmniMech" for OmniMechs).

You can look at the unit designations for the chassis:

• OmniMechs use letter-based configurations (e.g. Mad Cat A, Thor B, Avatar C, Templar D, and so on)
  
• Clan BattleMechs (non-OmniMechs) use number-based designations (e.g. Kodiak 2, Mad Cat Mk.II 3, Shadow Hawk IIC 4, and so on)
  
• Inner Sphere BattleMechs use changes/appellations to the chassis model (e.g. CN9-A vs CN9-D Centurions, CTF-1X vs CTF-3D Cataphracts, THE-N vs THE-T Thorns, and so on)

Some special cases - like the WOB's "Celestial series" OmniMechs - will use naming/designation schemes different from the above rules, but such instances are the exception rather than the rule.

In the specific case of the Imp, it's technically a SLDF-in-Exile BattleMech (as it made its debut in 2793, 8 years before the beginning of the Exodus Civil War, and ~22 years before the founding of the Clans).

Edited by Strum Wealh, 20 May 2015 - 08:16 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Thanks everyone for replying

One question still left unanswered though: Do all Clan designed 'Mechs carry Clan weapons?

[Kristov Kerensky]

Hit the Deck, on 20 May 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

Thanks everyone for replying

One question still left unanswered though: Do all Clan designed 'Mechs carry Clan weapons?

Yes, all Clan Mechs carry Clan weapons and equipment.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hit the Deck, on 20 May 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

But my only BT source is SARNA and it's not mentioned there if a mech is equipped with omnipods or not.

If the Mech in question does not have (P), A, B,C variants Its a Mech.

[Hit the Deck]

Strum Wealh, on 20 May 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

In the specific case of the Imp, it's technically a SLDF-in-Exile BattleMech (as it made its debut in 2793, 8 years before the beginning of the Exodus Civil War, and ~22 years before the founding of the Clans).

So beside the IMP-C, all other Imps are just IS 'Mechs and that means Imps (except IMP-C) are a go! 8)




PGI please make it happen! Release it stand alone like the Urbie!

Pros:

• Hardpoints are located near and around the cockpit just like Stormcrow.
  
• Can laser vomit.
  
• The 1B and 1C variant can mount ECM!

Cons:

• Enemies will shoot your shiny round head first before you can see them.
  
• Always exposed CT and ST.
  
• Lack of ballistic hardpoints (1C variant has Gauss Rifle on right arm).

Neutral:

• Probably has 360 max engine rating in MWO (Like AS7 and KGC).

Other Imp threads:

http://mwomercs.com/...why-or-why-not/
http://mwomercs.com/...pic/195896-imp/
http://mwomercs.com/...ther-re-design/

Edited by Hit the Deck, 20 May 2015 - 09:52 AM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

The Imp is actually an IS Mech, it was simply designed by Clan Wolf, but it was meant to be used by Wolf's Dragoons in the Inner Sphere, so it only uses IS Tech and all but 1 variant are strictly IS Tech. The 1 variant that isn't pure IS uses Clan weapons but the rest is IS Tech and it's only for Wolf's Dragoons, that variant isn't found anywhere else.

[Strum Wealh]

Kristov Kerensky, on 20 May 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

The Imp is actually an IS Mech, it was simply designed by Clan Wolf, but it was meant to be used by Wolf's Dragoons in the Inner Sphere, so it only uses IS Tech and all but 1 variant are strictly IS Tech. The 1 variant that isn't pure IS uses Clan weapons but the rest is IS Tech and it's only for Wolf's Dragoons, that variant isn't found anywhere else.

It wasn't designed by Clan Wolf, because it existed for at least a decade-and-a-half before there was a Clan Wolf (depending on which sources are cited for Clan Wolf's founding).
That being said, the original IMP-1A made its debut in 2793 (versus Clan Wolf's founding around either 2807 or 2810, according to Sarna.net at the time of this writing), almost a full decade after the SLDF left the Inner Sphere (in October 2784).

So, the Imp wouldn't have been known in the Inner Sphere until the Wolf's Dragoons arrived with the IMP-2E - so, the only models known in the IS as of 3050 would be the IMP-2E & the IMP-3E, and the chassis is virtually unheard-of outside of the Dragoons and some of the Clans (where the latter are likely exclusively using the Imp C), according to TRO 3050 Upgrade - "Beyond the Dragoons, the Imp remains rare, spotted mostly in the second-line touman of Clan Star Adder back in the homeworlds. Most analysts agree that the rarity of these machines reinforces the view that they have long since been phased out by Kerensky’s descendants in favor of newer and more capable designs.").