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[xDust]

... please try this build?

I'm curious about the dakka dakka-ness, but I don't have an XL 200 anywhere, nor do I have any extra funds to spend on it.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm crazy enough to try it myself, either.


BJ-A "Broken Arrow"


Alternate Broken Arrow, removed FF Armor, XL 180, +.5t ammo, and less truedubs to struggle with lolAC2heat!
(I actually can try this build out since I do have an XL 180 in a Locust, but blegh Ferro cost.)

Edited by xDust, 20 May 2015 - 02:17 AM.

[kosmos1214]

xDust, on 17 May 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

... please try this build?

I'm curious about the dakka dakka-ness, but I don't have an XL 200 anywhere, nor do I have any extra funds to spend on it.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm crazy enough to try it myself, either.


BJ-A "Broken Arrow"

yes you are just like im crazy enough to test drive all my crazy builds

[Eboli]

Looks interesting but with a lot of armour shaved off the arms, side torsos and CT and running an XL you better make sure you keep out a good distance. I never put XLs in BJs because of their fragility.

No case for your ST ammo but I think if you get apha'ed there you are dead anyhow...

Legging is going to be bad as well

This build will likely come down to play style and just hoping you don't get in the crosshairs of the enemy.

Sorry for my brutal reply.

Cheers!
Eboli

[xDust]

Eboli, on 17 May 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

Looks interesting but with a lot of armour shaved off the arms, side torsos and CT and running an XL you better make sure you keep out a good distance. I never put XLs in BJs because of their fragility.

No case for your ST ammo but I think if you get apha'ed there you are dead anyhow...

Legging is going to be bad as well

This build will likely come down to play style and just hoping you don't get in the crosshairs of the enemy.

Sorry for my brutal reply.

Cheers!
Eboli

Oh, I well know that this is a glass cannon (it is called, jokingly, "Broken Arrow"). But the dakka! It was built with no intention on being completely viable, but instead the fun potential.

Edited by xDust, 17 May 2015 - 04:43 PM.

[Eboli]

Yep - would make lots of noise, especially if double tapping

If I have a 200XL floating around I'll give it a "shot" for you. I know I have a 190XL so maybe I'll make a couple of mods to fit :0

Cheers!
Eboli

[Enigmos]

I have an arrow, and I enjoy piloting it. I haven't tried your build but I did try a quad AC2 on my Jag-DD. The result was less than optimal.

Granted you can really rip a lot of damage if you are given the time. A single AC2 will put out 8 damage in four seconds, making two of them Gauss rifle strong... except that, like Clanner ACs, the shots tend to spread. Beyond that the problem is that you will in two seconds become the one mech on the field the entire red team wants to eviscerate. The Arrow isn't as strong as a Jaeger, and you will not stand the counter-fire long. You have to hold target too long to really penetrate, disregarding the likelihood of getting crits (and the AC2 gets many crits).

Pesonally, I favor the dual med lasers with a center Large Pulse as my primary weapon array. My six MGs chew up the opposition once their armor is buttered up. The build is light enough to only shave your legs by two armor if you pick the right engine. And btw, an XL fits a BJ quite nicely.

Edited by OriginalTibs, 17 May 2015 - 06:13 PM.

[xDust]

OriginalTibs, on 17 May 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

I have an arrow, and I enjoy piloting it. I haven't tried your build but I did try a quad AC2 on my Jag-DD. The result was less than optimal.

Granted you can really rip a lot of damage if you are given the time. A single AC2 will put out 8 damage in four seconds, making two of them Gauss rifle strong... except that, like Clanner ACs, the shots tend to spread. Beyond that the problem is that you will in two seconds become the one mech on the field the entire red team wants to eviscerate. The Arrow isn't as strong as a Jaeger, and you will not stand the counter-fire long. You have to hold target too long to really penetrate, disregarding the likelihood of getting crits (and the AC2 gets many crits).

Pesonally, I favor the dual med lasers with a center Large Pulse as my primary weapon array. My six MGs chew up the opposition once their armor is softened up. The build is light enough to only shave your legs by two armor if you pick the right engine. And btw, an XL fits a BJ quite nicely.

I bought the Arrow when the Tukkayid sale was going on.

All I did was shift armor around and called it good. I honestly couldn't think of a better build for it, and I just love running it.

[Nullmancer]

I'd also like to hear how it goes

OriginalTibs, on 17 May 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

...Pesonally, I favor the dual med lasers with a center Large Pulse as my primary weapon array. My six MGs chew up the opposition once their armor is buttered up. The build is light enough to only shave your legs by two armor if you pick the right engine. And btw, an XL fits a BJ quite nicely.

I shifted the LPL up into the right torso relatively quickly, does it come with two or three tons ammo stock? if three, I removed a ton early on as well. The stock build for the Arrow is surprisingly capable, I agree, and XL's are definitely worth their cost in my opinion.

Edited by Nullmancer, 17 May 2015 - 09:53 PM.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

4 AC2? why not AC40?

[xDust]

Cookiemonter669, on 19 May 2015 - 05:12 PM, said:

4 AC2? why not AC40?

because dakka dakka

Go try AC40 on a BJ-1, only the Arrow has enough hardpoints for this insanity.

Edited by xDust, 19 May 2015 - 05:45 PM.

[Soul Tribunal]

xDust, on 17 May 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

... please try this build?

I'm curious about the dakka dakka-ness, but I don't have an XL 200 anywhere, nor do I have any extra funds to spend on it.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm crazy enough to try it myself, either.


BJ-A "Broken Arrow"

I'm gonna alter your build a bit, but I'll give it a whirl later today/tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

-ST

[jss78]

I have the Arrow, but alas not the engine. That said, I think the better option for a 4xAC2 is a Jagermech, which I do run myself. A quad-AC2 Jager has room for viable armour, more ammo (you'll find that you run through those 4½ tons very quick), and more heat sinks (you'll also find major heat issues with this build). Quad-AC2 is generally hilarious though, if you only play for fun.

As a surprising troll build I rate this 9/10 though, and I'd totally try it if I had the engine...

Edited by jss78, 19 May 2015 - 10:46 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

xDust, on 17 May 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

Oh, I well know that this is a glass cannon (it is called, jokingly, "Broken Arrow"). But the dakka! It was built with no intention on being completely viable, but instead the fun potential.

It would be fun to run those AC2s. The problem here is that you don't have enough ammo. (Though technically it's enough for an almost 700 damage game.)

[xengk]

4.5 ton of ammo is barely enough to keep the 4xAC2 working for long.
I run 2xAC on my 1DC with 4 ton of ammo, and I am usually dry before end of the match.

[xDust]

Soul Tribunal, on 19 May 2015 - 06:02 PM, said:

I'm gonna alter your build a bit, but I'll give it a whirl later today/tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

-ST

Hooray!

To everyone above about ammo concerns:

Yes, I know about the ammo shortage. From time to time, I switch my BJ-1 to AC/2s, and I usually load somewhere in the range of 500 rounds.

I've done the Quad-2 Jager, and it's fun, but I haven't gotten around to fixing my Jager again.

Edited by xDust, 20 May 2015 - 01:38 AM.

[jss78]

As for the lead post's question, yes the dakka-dakkaness is definitely there. With my quad-AC2 Jager I get these funny situations where I walk into my team's ridge-crest firing line, and let out a 15-second burst of AC/2 fire at a steady 7 rounds a second. By the time I stop I find some of the firing line watching my mech and not the enemy. This is low-Elo PUG though, maybe people are more focused in CW/high-Elo.

I think with this build the heat management is actually a more acute concern than ammo. I run 11 internal DHS in my Jager, and consider it just on this side of viable heatwise.

Edited by jss78, 20 May 2015 - 01:50 AM.

[xDust]

Alternate build posted up top.

jss78, on 20 May 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

As for the lead post's question, yes the dakka-dakkaness is definitely there. With my quad-AC2 Jager I get these funny situations where I walk into my team's ridge-crest firing line, and let out a 15-second burst of AC/2 fire at a steady 7 rounds a second. By the time I stop I find some of the firing line watching my mech and not the enemy. This is low-Elo PUG though, maybe people are more focused in CW/high-Elo.

I think with this build the heat management is actually a more acute concern than ammo. I run 11 internal DHS in my Jager, and consider it just on this side of viable heatwise.

lolAC2heat

I remember taking out the quad-2 JM6-S when they were testing no-GH AC/2s and yes, that heat climbs up fast.


Also, obviously 3xAC/2 on the Arrow would make a much more viable, if still troll, build, but it's one AC/2 short of awesome.

Edited by xDust, 20 May 2015 - 02:16 AM.

[xengk]

jss78, on 20 May 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

As for the lead post's question, yes the dakka-dakkaness is definitely there. With my quad-AC2 Jager I get these funny situations where I walk into my team's ridge-crest firing line, and let out a 15-second burst of AC/2 fire at a steady 7 rounds a second. By the time I stop I find some of the firing line watching my mech and not the enemy. This is low-Elo PUG though, maybe people are more focused in CW/high-Elo.

WORSHIP THE DAKKA!

[mad kat]

Xl's can work in blackjacks, in fact all my blackjacks have Xl's. The skill is staying the 'grey man'. The arrow is cracking mech with the quirked machineguns you must stay out of the fight for the first half though late match its an awesome kill stealer, scavenger and can often turn the tide of a battle.

You'd be far better of loading up on one LB-10x and the rest ac-2's for the tonnage to be honest.

Edited by mad kat, 20 May 2015 - 03:30 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

xengk, on 20 May 2015 - 02:51 AM, said:

WORSHIP THE DAKKA!

Forever Chrome, and Shiny.