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[Kilo 40]

Mcgral18, on 29 May 2015 - 11:45 PM, said:

You're not going to change my opinion

you've been changing your own opinion throughout the thread just fine without my help.

[Mcgral18]

Kilo 40, on 29 May 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

you've been changing your own opinion throughout the thread just fine without my help.

No, my mind was made up.

Apparently, I wasn't clear, or you have a hard time reading. Are you done yet?

[Templar Dane]

LRM Atlas' said:

Hold locks so that I can launch missiles into mountainsides while you die holding said locks.

[Kilo 40]

Mcgral18, on 29 May 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:

No, my mind was made up.

Apparently, I wasn't clear, or you have a hard time reading. Are you done yet?

not only were you not clear, you have contradicted yourself repeatedly.

[Mcgral18]

Kilo 40, on 29 May 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

not only were you not clear, you have contradicted yourself repeatedly.

So you say.

All I see is you taking your profile message to heart; being a gigantic {LT-MOB-25}.

[Kilo 40]

Mcgral18, on 30 May 2015 - 12:03 AM, said:

All I see is you taking your profile message to heart; being a gigantic {LT-MOB-25}.

so you say.

All I see is you shooting your mouth off with broad unfounded generalizations about players at the start of the thread, then spent the rest of it back peddling when called on it.

[Mi Ro Ki]

i think you're mistaking an attitude against lrm for, we have other things to do then just worry about you, plus it's pub so i'm sure those who generally do it will keep doing it. It's not exactly difficult to get your own locks anyway if you keep up with the crowd.

[Savage Wolf]

This thread just indicates that the MWO community is as toxic and bad at team play as with any other multiplayer games. PvE can't come soon enough.

[xX PUG Xx]

So am I the only one that works at the other end of the spectrum?

On occasion I will bring NARC just to help out LRM equipped 'Mechs, hopefully making them more effective. Therefore helping the team and therefore helping me, ya know playing as a TEAM player.

[Kilo 40]

xX PUG Xx, on 30 May 2015 - 12:44 AM, said:

So am I the only one that works at the other end of the spectrum?

On occasion I will bring NARC just to help out LRM equipped 'Mechs, hopefully making them more effective. Therefore helping the team and therefore helping me, ya know playing as a TEAM player.

If i were any good with lights I would do that.

I'll probably give it a shot with wave 3, but I doubt I'll be good enough to stick with it for very long.

[Chagatay]

xX PUG Xx, on 30 May 2015 - 12:44 AM, said:

So am I the only one that works at the other end of the spectrum?

On occasion I will bring NARC just to help out LRM equipped 'Mechs, hopefully making them more effective. Therefore helping the team and therefore helping me, ya know playing as a TEAM player.

It is fun, super high risk (routinely get pegged by dual gauss builds) and low reward (crappy payout as the narc'ed stuff has to die from missiles). Probably should buy and use the Anansi but for now I run the Mist Lynx*.

*At least it wins on style points

[xX PUG Xx]

Jabilo, on 29 May 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

LRMs are a tricky proposition due to the way targeting, sensors and particularly ECM works.

They will be impossible to balance in isolation until ECM in particular is reworked.

There is nothing wrong with letting your team know you have LRMs. It will give them the choice to deploy NARCs or UAVs or deploy TAGs to spot (which will score them XP and CBills).

I rarely run LRM boats but they are good for levelling a variant and sometimes it is nice to bring one out for a change in pace.

I played a game the other day where I identified myself as a missile boat. One of our lights graciously decided to NARC targets for me all game and I scored a couple of kills and nearly 900 damage. I am pretty sure that contributed to our overall win. Plus it was fun for both of us...

"Hold locks please" is perhaps a poor choice of words and seems to get peoples backs up. I would stick with "<---LRMs here" and leave it at that.

As for ragging on LRMs in the PUG queue, I see terrible play in pretty much every build going. Let people run whatever they want and good luck to them.

There are however some good tips for LRM boats to show their team mates they are not lazy good for nothing spongers:

• Stick with the team and provide close support
  
• Bring back up weapons and deploy them as necessary to defend yourself, your team mates and to contribute if it turn in to an all out brawl.
  
• Always bring TAG if your mech can equip it, and if then enemy is under ECM umbrella move forward to try to secure locks for yourself and others.
  
• Bring a UAV and deploy it as necessary to benefit the team.
  
• Avoid taking a 100 ton LRM boat (Atlas or DireWolf). This will draw flack from your team.

Quoted for being one of the useful and positive posts in this thread, the summarised advice is good.

One thing I would add is equipping info gathering or target retention modules as well as BAP if you have the slots/tonnage. It can make a huge difference to the effectiveness of LRM's.

Kilo, I agree that IS LRM 15+Artemis is the most effective launcher both for tonnage and spread.

[Savage Wolf]

I always hold locks anyway in memory of the long lost friend called information warfare. I miss him so.

[xX PUG Xx]

Chagatay, on 30 May 2015 - 12:53 AM, said:

It is fun, super high risk (routinely get pegged by dual gauss builds) and low reward (crappy payout as the narc'ed stuff has to die from missiles). Probably should buy and use the Anansi but for now I run the Mist Lynx*.

*At least it wins on style points

I tend to run a Raven 3L, 2xML, 1x ER LL and NARC, its a little slow but with the ECM i find the trick is being sneaky and getting behind the enemy line/murder ball. In fact claimed a Battlemaster and KingCrab last night in this little beasty.

As you say the payout can be low but the giggle factor is worth it IMO, a bit like getting a SL/MG kill in a Pirates Bane. You can almost taste the panic as you strafe around their ankles, laughing manically

[Khobai]

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this kinda nails it.....is that there are enough players with irrational hostility toward lrms, that they would answer yes. I have actually seen people TK other players for bringing a LRM mech.

Theres nothing irrational about the hostility towards LRMs. The guy spotting for LRMs risks exposing himself to the enemy while the guy firing LRMs is safe behind cover risking nothing. That right there is reason enough for hostility.

The way I see it the whole problem is KDR and this mentality to get the most kills. It's entirely self-serving and runs completely contrary to the idea of teamwork.

Ive been saying this for a while now... they need to get rid of assists entirely and reward fractional kills instead. Everyone should get kills equal to the % damage they did to the mech thats destroyed. If you do 10% of the damage you get 0.1 kills. Etc...

That would help eliminate some of the hostility towards LRM players. Because kill-stealing would be eliminated and everyone would be earning their kills.

Edited by Khobai, 30 May 2015 - 01:12 AM.

[MrMadguy]

I guess, LRMs are hated so much because LRMs are killing all fun of playing this game for players in brawler builds.

[Savage Wolf]

Khobai, on 30 May 2015 - 01:11 AM, said:

Theres nothing irrational about the hostility towards LRMs. The guy spotting for LRMs risks exposing himself to the enemy while the guy firing LRMs is safe behind cover risking nothing. That right there is reason enough for hostility.

The way I see it the whole problem is KDR and this mentality to get the most kills. It's entirely self-serving and runs completely contrary to the idea of teamwork.

Ive been saying this for a while now... they need to get rid of assists entirely and reward fractional kills instead. Everyone should get kills equal to the % damage they did to the mech thats destroyed. If you do 10% of the damage you get 0.1 kills. Etc...

That would help eliminate some of the hostility towards LRM players. Because kill-stealing would be eliminated and everyone would be earning their kills.

This would improve so many games. Maybe even just have a counter for kills the team made. There is nothing more annoying than people complaining about kill steals. It should only be about winning as a team.

MrMadguy, on 30 May 2015 - 01:17 AM, said:

I guess, LRMs are hated so much because LRMs are killing all fun of playing this game for players in brawler builds.

Then they should make a way for you to equip you mech as a brawler and get some protection. You know, actually introduce role warfare!

[Kilo 40]

Khobai, on 30 May 2015 - 01:11 AM, said:

Theres nothing irrational about the hostility towards LRMs. The guy spotting for LRMs risks exposing himself to the enemy while the guy firing LRMs is safe behind cover risking nothing. That right there is reason enough for hostility.

this assumes of course that most everyone who runs LRMs are hiding in the back doing nothing.

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kill-stealing

lol. I can't take you seriously now.

MrMadguy, on 30 May 2015 - 01:17 AM, said:

I guess, LRMs are hated so much because LRMs are killing all fun of playing this game for players in brawler builds.

They are hated by people who don't know how to use cover. to everyone else they are no different than any other weapon.

[Savage Wolf]

Kilo 40, on 30 May 2015 - 01:25 AM, said:

lol. I can't take you seriously now.

I believe he was talking about removing it as a factor from the game. I can't take people who accuse people of kill stealing in the game seriously either, but that's not what he was doing.

[Khobai]

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this assumes of course that most everyone who runs LRMs are hiding in the back doing nothing.

well if youre not hiding in the back, and you have direct LoS on the enemy, then why are you using LRMs? Direct fire weapons are much better than LRMs when you have LoS.

So either youre hurting your team by playing an LRM boat that doesnt hide in the back because direct fire weapons are a better option for mechs on the frontlines. Or you are hiding in the back kill stealing from players that are risking exposure while you sit back in relative safety using indirect LRMs.

You simply cant win as an LRM user.


Again the problem is the whole selfish mentality to get as many kills as possible. PGI needs to change that.

Edited by Khobai, 30 May 2015 - 01:57 AM.