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[Raggedyman]

sneeking, on 01 June 2015 - 04:19 AM, said:

Im thinking about getting an i7 surface pro which will be windows 8 but given how long it took for xp to be dropped by support I think I'll be sticking with my window 7 license for quite some time.

The thing is that all the noises from Microsoft are that WIndows 7 and 8 are going to be obsolete way quicker than XP was due to the free upgrade element. Not saying "switch now" but if you don't do it within the year you could end up having 'fun' with Win 7

[sneeking]

One year , if they pull crap like that ill walk to linux out of principal.

[Abisha]

i not sure why people find it so shocking, you really thing a billion dollar company gonna "give" you something for free right.
must be wonderful world being that naive.

[Bill Lumbar]

Abisha, on 01 June 2015 - 08:19 AM, said:

i not sure why people find it so shocking, you really thing a billion dollar company gonna "give" you something for free right.
must be wonderful world being that naive.

Ummm like I asked for... Link please, if you don't mind. Its not that I think they are gonna give something for "free".... From what I have heard they are looking to change their pay model from what they had, $100-$300 for a single OS being released and sold, per version, XP, Vista, Windows 7, 8 etc etc, costing one set amount, and has to be installed with a new key and CD purchased or downloaded and installed with a ISO file. From my understanding, it is going around they want to bring a pay model more like Apple's OS's, which IMO, isn't that bad for what you get. I believe there are several reason to go this path, one being that hacking Apples OS to run on any computer can work, but when you update through Apples online updater, it will break your system if you have have modded system files to get hardware to work on your computer with Apple OS.

This alone could save them money, make them more money even if they charge very little for a new "major" version like Apple does and has for years now. It should cut down on people fully running versions of MS OS that are not legit, and if they do run versions that are not legit, it will break their computers OS. I could be wrong, but if they try to charge a monthly fee, or if they continue to charge $100 for a new version every time they update the OS, once a year...etc etc.. I will not be using Windows 10 for sure.

One thing I can see happening for sure is this, if any of you are running the same key for more then one Windows install on your computers, and its not the Family pack key that lets you run 3 computers on one key, if you upgrade one of your computers with a single use key, you won't be able to upgrade the others that are using the same key. It will kill not only your new upgrade to Windows 10 on the other computers, it will also kill the Windows 7 installs on all but the one legit computer you upgraded to Windows 10. This will for sure happen, I am guessing Windows 10 will do a much better job of ensuring you are only running one computer per "key" if its a single use key. Just a warning...

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 01 June 2015 - 08:35 AM.

[sneeking]

I have win 7 disks, a box set which I own licence to use in both 32 and 64 on multiple systems.

Its not oem software that came pre installed.

They can't take it off me not rightfully and if they do ill never be a Microsoft customer again.

[EgoSlayer]

Good to see all the tin foil hats don't limit themselves to MWO...

Windows 10 is a free upgrade for certain versions of windows to get people off these old versions of windows, especially Vista.
There are no ads,nor is there any subscription. But it's only available as a free upgrade for the first year. After that it will cost you $109 or $149 just like everyone else. People continue to confuse Office 365 which is a subscription based office product and think that is happening with Windows 10 - it's not.
http://www.microsoft...indows/features

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*Windows Offer Details

Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required; standard data rates apply. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.
Our lawyers made us say this:
Windows 10 Upgrade Offer is valid for qualified Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices, including devices you already own. Some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device and market. The availability of Windows 10 upgrade for Windows Phone 8.1 devices may vary by OEM, mobile operator or carrier. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to Windows 10 enterprise offerings outside of this offer. To check for compatibility and other important installation information, visit your device manufacturer’s website and the Windows 10 Specifications page.

[Bilbo]

sneeking, on 01 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

I have win 7 disks, a box set which I own licence to use in both 32 and 64 on multiple systems.

Its not oem software that came pre installed.

They can't take it off me not rightfully and if they do ill never be a Microsoft customer again.

They simply won't continue to patch it past a point in time. Nothing says you can't continue to use it. Just remember that any holes known to exist will always exist and new ones will continue to be found. The OS will become more and more vulnerable and the applications that run on it will eventually get updated to the point that they will become unusable.

[Bill Lumbar]

sneeking, on 01 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

I have win 7 disks, a box set which I own licence to use in both 32 and 64 on multiple systems.

Its not oem software that came pre installed.

They can't take it off me not rightfully and if they do ill never be a Microsoft customer again.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree. However, there are several versions of Windows 7, The family pack that I bought several copies of back when Newegg had them on sale for $147 bucks, they allow you to install the same Key on three computers at the same time. IF you have a OEM copy, and not the full retail copy, they only allow you to install one key on one computer "at the same time". Same thing with the Full retail copy, but it comes with support from MS at no charge, the OEM copy doesn't come with support from them. Either way unless you get the Multi key versions, under the TOS you are only allowed to install the copy on one computer at at time and have it activated. You can install it on other computers, or do a clean install when you want, pretty much as much as you want, but under their terms you can not run the same key activated on more then one computer at a time with the OEM and retail Single use key copies.

The OS that comes pre installed on store bought computers isn't considered OEM, its factory copy/manufactures copy, and is up to Dell/gateway/ etc etc, to provide you with support.

[GRiPSViGiL]

My Fiance has a back door also but it's super secure. She don't let anything in there

[Bill Lumbar]

GRiPSViGiL, on 01 June 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

My Fiance has a back door also but it's super secure. She don't let anything in there

Are we talking electric fence with razor wire secure or just standard lock and key?

Well, the good news is that where there is a will/desire, there is a way. lol

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 01 June 2015 - 10:52 AM.

[cSand]

Abisha, on 01 June 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

and do not cost a monthly fee that windows 10 will do.

This is actually a myth perpetrated by someone, or a misunderstanding.

I have talked to MS directly about this as some of our business customers were concerned...

Windows 10 will not be a subscription service.

It is a free upgrade for the first year, and then after that if people haven't upgraded yet, they will have to buy it like any other Windows, or pay for the upgrade like you currently do from say, 7 to 8.1.

Let me repeat:

There will be no subscription fee, ever.

http://www.pcgamer.c...a-subscription/

Windows is however going to be more like the Apple OS model where there are more frequent updates to the OS.

I for one am looking forward to the Windows 10 upgrade on my phone and PC But I'll wait until it's officially out

Edited by cSand, 01 June 2015 - 10:49 AM.

[cSand]

sneeking, on 01 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

I have win 7 disks, a box set which I own licence to use in both 32 and 64 on multiple systems.

Its not oem software that came pre installed.

They can't take it off me not rightfully and if they do ill never be a Microsoft customer again.

Well, if you upgrade to 10, your license should work for both 10 and 7

[cSand]

Let me add this as well for those of you hanging on to Windows 7 or 8.1 after this point, you are fine for basic security patch support until 2020 at the earliest.

And here's your proof!

http://windows.micro...ndows/lifecycle

Edited by cSand, 01 June 2015 - 10:50 AM.

[Bill Lumbar]

EgoSlayer, on 01 June 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

Good to see all the tin foil hats don't limit themselves to MWO...

Windows 10 is a free upgrade for certain versions of windows to get people off these old versions of windows, especially Vista.
There are no ads,nor is there any subscription. But it's only available as a free upgrade for the first year. After that it will cost you $109 or $149 just like everyone else. People continue to confuse Office 365 which is a subscription based office product and think that is happening with Windows 10 - it's not.
http://www.microsoft...indows/features

Ha ha.. the one time I agree with ya... but I do not believe you are correct about the Vista part. Many Vista users already went to 7 once it came out... I know I did, and I didn't really mind using Vista. I do not believe Vista will be apart of the "free" upgrade offered by MS, I could be wrong about it, but I think its only good for 7 and up.

[cSand]

Bill Lumbar, on 01 June 2015 - 10:53 AM, said:

Ha ha.. the one time I agree with ya... but I do not believe you are correct about the Vista part. Many Vista users already went to 7 once it came out... I know I did, and I didn't really mind using Vista. I do not believe Vista will be apart of the "free" upgrade offered by MS, I could be wrong about it, but I think its only good for 7 and up.

Yep, it is only for users of Windows 7 +


One of the main reasons being I think that generally Vista = older hardware, thus more potential for problems (I know from experience getting 8.1 to run on some Vista-era laptops could be problematic with drivers for the older hardware)

[Revis Volek]

Their is always unforeseen issue, maybe get a day ro two of down time. But i know a buddy who was already running it on the Technical Preview and he claimed it actually ran BETTER because it utilizes the cores better on his system (windows 10 had better code i guess and better hyper threading capabilities)

cSand, on 01 June 2015 - 10:57 AM, said:

Yep, it is only for users of Windows 7 +


One of the main reasons being I think that generally Vista = older hardware, thus more potential for problems (I know from experience getting 8.1 to run on some Vista-era laptops could be problematic with drivers for the older hardware)

More often then not this proved to be a pain in the ass....my old laptop went the way of the dodo due to this issue. Was just too much work for the stinky old HP.

Edited by DarthRevis, 01 June 2015 - 10:59 AM.

[Raggedyman]

cSand, on 01 June 2015 - 10:48 AM, said:

Let me add this as well for those of you hanging on to Windows 7 or 8.1 after this point, you are fine for basic security patch support until 2020 at the earliest.

And here's your proof!

http://windows.micro...ndows/lifecycle

Basic security batching is groovy, however if people are concerned about things from a gaming view point (which, as this is a games forum, I'm going to assume are the bulk of people reading this) the possibility of DirectX support and keeping up with the technological-Joneses' could become a problem.

You also have the problem of pickup, whereby IF Win-10 picks up as much as MicroSoft hopes all the cool things will be happening on 10.

Basically I'm of the opinion that Win-7 is going to be worth switching to before the calendar year is up (more support, better OS, getting all the new toys) and that Win-8 around about the first chance you get because it's the spawn of the devil (or before the upgrade year is up so that you have Win-10 for free once Win-8 goes out of mainstream support/it becomes pointless holding on to Win-8)

Of course Win-10 could be a total turkey / your mileage may vary / personal choice trumps all things and it's not out yet so don't feel pressured if you don't want to convert at zero-hour.

[zagibu]

Bill Lumbar, on 01 June 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

There was just news dropped that Linux systems have been infected to a point with malware, and was very hard to extract or even find. This malware was able to fool the source code, and who ever made it, did so in such a way that it transformed and did its work in the back ground of the OS, and extracted private information off peoples computers if you happened to have it on your system. I am fully aware that Linux is more secure then other OS's, however, where there is a will, there is a way to get anything, from anyone when it comes to data, computers. I don't care how much you know, think you know, it is just the nature of the beast. There is always someone out there that knows more, and if they want it, have the resources, they will get it.

Btw... I didn't say there is a "back door", I quoted him, and that is what he referred it as.

So basically, you aren't that well informed, but still think you have a point, because of some silly generalizations?

The reason why backdoors could be problematic for Windows etc. is that you get your updates in binary form from a central source. You don't know what's in those patches. And it would be very easy for the NSA to give Microsoft a call and tell them to include a bit of extra code in the next patch that they provide for them (assuming there is not already a backdoor present). Same thing with Apple and Google Android.

With Linux systems, this is much harder, because there are many distributions that all use their own updating systems, so you would have to either somehow sneak it into the kernel (which is almost impossible, because the kernel code is very tightly controlled by many pairs of eyes), or you would have to put it into a popular userland program, such as a music player or gimp or something. But even that wouldn't guarantee success, because the backdoor would be visible in the source code and could be discovered at any time. The best chance would probably be to infiltrate the package management teams of the larger distributions, and bundle the backdoor with one of the regular binary update packages.

[cSand]

Raggedyman, on 01 June 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Basic security batching is groovy, however if people are concerned about things from a gaming view point (which, as this is a games forum, I'm going to assume are the bulk of people reading this) the possibility of DirectX support and keeping up with the technological-Joneses' could become a problem.

You also have the problem of pickup, whereby IF Win-10 picks up as much as MicroSoft hopes all the cool things will be happening on 10.

Basically I'm of the opinion that Win-7 is going to be worth switching to before the calendar year is up (more support, better OS, getting all the new toys) and that Win-8 around about the first chance you get because it's the spawn of the devil (or before the upgrade year is up so that you have Win-10 for free once Win-8 goes out of mainstream support/it becomes pointless holding on to Win-8)

Of course Win-10 could be a total turkey / your mileage may vary / personal choice trumps all things and it's not out yet so don't feel pressured if you don't want to convert at zero-hour.

Totally agree with you, but at least those still on 7 will have a few more years before they are just a cesspool of security holes

[Mudhutwarrior]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 01 June 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

It's free so that means there will be ads (mark my words) and there's probably a backdoor for the NSA to collect data on your computer through microsoft. So basically its garbage.

Yep. Its called onedrive and its unremovable... They already turned the cloud over to the NSA and here's there front door into your system.

http://betanews.com/...ata-to-the-nsa/


I will let the consumerist zombies do what they will but I won't be having it.