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[Antares102]

So who wants to use a Gladiator over a Timber Wolf?

Tonnage (lower is better for CW):
Timber Wolf wins

Speed:
Timber Wolf wins (Sustained 89 vs ~94 for brief time)

Pod space:
Timber Wolf wins (28t vs 25t+1DHS)

Omnipod flexibility:
Timber Wolf wins (Optional JJ, Above cockpit E-slots)

Available Slots:
Timber Wolf wins (3 slots more)

High weapon slots:
Timber Wolf wins

JJ:
Timber Wolf wins with having more than one S Omnipods
Tie with Timber Wolf having 1 S side torso
Gladiator wins with Timber Wolf having no S Omnipods

Armor:
Gladiator wins

Shield arms:
Gladiator wins

Quirks:
Gladiator wins (for the moment)

Hitboxes:
Unknown yet. For the sake of the argument Gladiator wins.

So overall the Gladiator is good in the armor, shield arm and (probably) quirk/hitbox business but everywhere else it is inferior to a Timber Wolf especially in the firepower area when comparing a heavy to an assault.
If needed the Timber can even negate the JJ advantage of the Gladiator.

I don't see a reason to use the Gladiator over a Timber at all ATM.

Edited by Antares102, 02 June 2015 - 09:26 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

I wish that Mr .Exe had a ballistic slot in Left Arm because that way, at least it would be better for brawling because of the ability to mount a cLB-20X and 6x cSPL/cERSL on the arms for better aiming finesse at close range. But 2M LA like we have now is okay....

[Scout Derek]

You can use a torso ballastic mount and the 2 energy arms, I have a build that can put out more dps than a nova with 12 small pulses.

[Paigan]

Meh.
Hitboxes and art aside, no other mech will have the combination (mathematical product, if you will) of speed * armor.

DWF is for armor * firepower (defensive)
EXE is for armor * speed (offensive, e.g. cannon-assaults)


The EXE will never be as good as the DWF in the DWF's role and it will also never be a heavy mech.
That doesn't mean that it won't have its niche.


Always that premature "dead on arrival" whining ...

Edited by Paigan, 02 June 2015 - 09:25 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Yay, another uninformed "DOA" thread before the mech is even out. What a time to be alive!

[Revis Volek]

I should have guessed this was coming....

Man, the crystal ball business must be booming these days.



So where is this insider information that a mech with 4 ballistic hardpoint in its CT as well as being faster then Clan heavies for even a brief period is DOA. You must have gotten to play over 50 matches in it already and Fully elited it right?

[Moldur]

12 man premade
"everyone bring an executioner or gargoyle on first drop"

I'm sure it will have some niche purpose, if nothing else it can be a shield that can keep up with the rest of the clan mechs.

[Scout Derek]

Hit the Deck, on 02 June 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

I wish that Mr .Exe had a ballistic slot in Left Arm because that way, at least it would be better for brawling because of the ability to mount a cLB-20X and 6x cSPL/cERSL on the arms for better aiming finesse at close range. But 2M LA like we have now is okay....

And um... Yeah it does have a ballisitc in the left arm....??

The right arm has 2E, not the left

Edited by Scout Derek, 02 June 2015 - 09:51 AM.

[Yosharian]

DarthRevis, on 02 June 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

a mech with 4 ballistic hardpoint in its CT

It has less pod space than a Timber Wolf. It could have 16 ballistic hardpoints for all it matters, without the tonnage to equip a decent armory it means nothing.

Bear in mind that a Dire Wolf has roughly TWICE as much pod space as the Gladiator. As in 26 extra tons.

So please get down from your high horse and actually read what the OP is saying before you dismiss it out of hand.

Edited by Yosharian, 02 June 2015 - 10:05 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Scout Derek, on 02 June 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:

And um... Yeah it does have a ballisitc in the left arm....??

The right arm has 2E, not the left

Oops, sorry I had a brain fart I was thinking about the LBX, SRMs, and Small Lasers build and why I didn't put the LBX on the LA.... Turns out that I can only put the missiles there with such build....

[Almond Brown]

The TW is to the Vatters what a very ugly baby is to its parents. Perfect, in all respects. And you won't ever convince them otherwise. Why even bother trying at this point.

Edited by Almond Brown, 02 June 2015 - 10:18 AM.

[Antares102]

Many threads popping up about the underwhelming performance of the Gladiator.
Well.... who predicted it.

[Duke Nedo]

Who didn't? It's actually better than expected imo.

[Paigan]

Antares102, on 21 June 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

Many threads popping up about the underwhelming performance of the Gladiator.
Well.... who predicted it.

The EXE has the agility of a med or light mech temporarily in critical situations, it's relatively fast and has a lot of armor.
I had some of my best games with it and I haven't even mastered it yet.

It's surely not DOA.
This is just another whiny ignorance and digging out the thread won't make it any more true.

Edited by Paigan, 21 June 2015 - 01:55 AM.

[Antares102]

Paigan, on 21 June 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

The EXE has the agility of a med or light mech temporarily in critical situations, it's relatively fast and has a lot of armor.
I had some of my best games with it and I haven't even mastered it yet.

It's surely not DOA.
This is just another whiny ignorance and digging out the thread won't make it any more true.

Granted MASC is really good but it doesnt make up for the 8 tons JJ and extremly low slots in the arms.
Overall the EXE may be a GOOD mech. Its just that you get BETTER mechs which weight LESS.
For example you can boat as many med/small lasers on a Stormcrow as on a Executioner.
The Stormcrow is faster, got the same agility/better twist angle, got higher slots, got better Hitboxes.
And for the drawback of less armor and negative quirks you get a mech with 40 tons less.

[IraqiWalker]

Antares102, on 21 June 2015 - 02:08 AM, said:

Granted MASC is really good but it doesnt make up for the 8 tons JJ and extremly low slots in the arms.
Overall the EXE may be a GOOD mech. Its just that you get BETTER mechs which weight LESS.
For example you can boat as many med/small lasers on a Stormcrow as on a Executioner.
The Stormcrow is faster, got the same agility/better twist angle, got higher slots, got better Hitboxes.
And for the drawback of less armor and negative quirks you get a mech with 40 tons less.

The EXE is still better at it's role than the TBR. A TBR can't lead a charge as well as the EXE does. When I look at it, I think of it like a more mobile Atlas. Capable of tanking, has a mean punch, and does actually block shots.

[Antares102]

Yes leading a charge may be a role that the EXE can fill but so can Mr Gargles which is 15 tons lighter, faster
and has a lot of durability quirks.

Edited by Antares102, 21 June 2015 - 02:17 AM.

[Russhuster]

yah, and you forgot its perfect clay pidgeon abilitys the exe has and absolutely NO heat capacity
5 medium lasers fired 3 times = shutdown + internal damage and that result came with 5 !!!!! additional heat sinks

a perfect Mech when you do not sit in it

Edited by Russhuster, 21 June 2015 - 02:19 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Antares102, on 21 June 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Yes leading a charge may be a role that the EXE can fill but so can Mr Gargles which is 15 tons lighter, faster
and has a lot of durability quirks.

I don't ever remember "tanky" being an adjective we use when describing the gargoyle. The EXE can still torso twist better, and spread the damage better. Not to mention that when it comes to mobile striking teams, it is fantastic. Clan mechs all generally function at similar speeds, meaning all of them can wolf pack very easily. The EXE has a mean punch, but tanks like a beast.

[theta123]

Antares102, on 21 June 2015 - 02:08 AM, said:

Granted MASC is really good but it doesnt make up for the 8 tons JJ and extremly low slots in the arms.
Overall the EXE may be a GOOD mech. Its just that you get BETTER mechs which weight LESS.
For example you can boat as many med/small lasers on a Stormcrow as on a Executioner.
The Stormcrow is faster, got the same agility/better twist angle, got higher slots, got better Hitboxes.
And for the drawback of less armor and negative quirks you get a mech with 40 tons less.

...But its not an excecutioner

Everyone is always whining about performance this and that and "the timberwolf can do this and the stormcrow that"

Forget it. Screw it! Be gone with your alpha meta traditional builds. I take my Exe A and B and 2 mistlynxs to CW and they perform greatly in ANY match. My 2 Adders and 2 Warhawks laugh at the traditional 4 stormcrows or timbers wolves being used.

Play with the mechs you love, learn them fully, and you'll defeat any opponent. ,Dont jump on the metatrain because people tell you