It might be me but lately I noticed that mechs seem to be...weaker, in terms of durability and damage output for example my Gar-prime used to get at least 2 to 3 kills with 400/700 damage total per match but that took a nose dive and now it's 0 to 1 kills with 200/400 damage and the funny thing is im shooting more mech then ever before to make up for this loss but to no luck, it's also the same for other mechs. Now for durability it seems that dropped too because alot of times I had a light or Med take me on while I was in a assault or heavy only for them to win in a head on fight like when I had my Banshee-3S with 4x med pulse, 2x Large pulse and an ac20 only to lose to a med with 1x ac5 and 4x med lasers and also it seem that it takes fewer shot to crit my 100point CT. So im really hoping it's just me.
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Weak(Er) Mechs.
Started by GrimRiver, Jun 04 2015 06:52 AM
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 06:52 AM
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 07:26 AM
So, you climbed up the Elo ladder where people are more competent at destroying mechs. What else is new?
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 07:30 AM
El Bandito, on 04 June 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:
So, you climbed up the Elo ladder where people are more competent at destroying mechs. What else is new?
Probably this. Being a light mech specialist in the higher elo brackets is an exercise in futility. You think you're a god amongst men until you hit the 'better than average' elo and suddenly nobody has a problem nailing you. It makes my machine gun spider sad.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 07:50 AM
There is no such thing as a weak mech grasshopper. There is only - pilot fatigue, inadequate focus, inability to adapt to your environment ect....
Anyone can take a Timberwolf and create 600 damage. It is those who can create 600 damage with a trebuchet and have truely found zen and their niche.
One does not know unless thine tries.
Anyone can take a Timberwolf and create 600 damage. It is those who can create 600 damage with a trebuchet and have truely found zen and their niche.
One does not know unless thine tries.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 07:53 AM
I may or may not rised in Elo but that doesn't mean a med should, will and can take on an assault in a head on fight and the med win in a million years, heck even dire-wolfs and warhawks used to have a hard time agaist my Banshee-3S. If a light can take on a heavy or med take on a assault then what the point of having weight classes in the first place?
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 07:56 AM
I vote Elo bracket on this.
Example: My Unit is very casual. As a result, we have a broad range of elos. Often, our large group drops will run into groups drops of mostly high elo players (MarineMechs, Templars, etc.). We wind up getting trounced. This happens a few times and my elo drops (I can't carry hard enough essentially). I go back to the pugging queues where my decreased elo puts me on weaker teams. Suddenly, it's like clubbing baby seals. My elo spikes back up until I'm back in the proper bracket. I then go back to group dropping with my Unit.
Rinse and repeat.
Or 800+ damage and four kills in an Enforcer?
Weight class does not a win make. Pilot skill is everything. I can take sub-par Mechs an entire weight class or two below my enemy and annihilate said enemy if my foe doesn't know what he's doing. I've watched many MWO veteran pilots that lack skill lose to inferior Mechs. At the end of the day, if you can't hit what you're shooting at, and if you can't effectively use cover or maneuvers, then it doesn't matter what you or your enemies are piloting.
Example: My Unit is very casual. As a result, we have a broad range of elos. Often, our large group drops will run into groups drops of mostly high elo players (MarineMechs, Templars, etc.). We wind up getting trounced. This happens a few times and my elo drops (I can't carry hard enough essentially). I go back to the pugging queues where my decreased elo puts me on weaker teams. Suddenly, it's like clubbing baby seals. My elo spikes back up until I'm back in the proper bracket. I then go back to group dropping with my Unit.
Rinse and repeat.
Hyper99, on 04 June 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:
There is no such thing as a weak mech grasshopper. There is only - pilot fatigue, inadequate focus, inability to adapt to your environment ect....
Anyone can take a Timberwolf and create 600 damage. It is those who can create 600 damage with a trebuchet and have truely found zen and their niche.
One does not know unless thine tries.
Anyone can take a Timberwolf and create 600 damage. It is those who can create 600 damage with a trebuchet and have truely found zen and their niche.
One does not know unless thine tries.
Or 800+ damage and four kills in an Enforcer?
GrimRiver, on 04 June 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:
I may or may not rised in Elo but that doesn't mean a med should, will and can take on an assault in a head on fight and the med win in a million years, heck even dire-wolfs and warhawks used to have a hard time agaist my Banshee-3S. If a light can take on a heavy or med take on a assault then what the point of having weight classes in the first place?
Weight class does not a win make. Pilot skill is everything. I can take sub-par Mechs an entire weight class or two below my enemy and annihilate said enemy if my foe doesn't know what he's doing. I've watched many MWO veteran pilots that lack skill lose to inferior Mechs. At the end of the day, if you can't hit what you're shooting at, and if you can't effectively use cover or maneuvers, then it doesn't matter what you or your enemies are piloting.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 08:00 AM
It would be difficult to be explain how a global-effect of Mechs being both weaker (dies more easily) and having less firepower (kills other Mechs slowly) could happen.
If Mechs had less firepower, they would be dying slower. If Mechs are dying faster, then they would have lower armor or less firepower... You see how those two phenomenae would cancel out?
You can't have Mechs dying more easily at the same time when Mechs have less stopping-power.
If Mechs had less firepower, they would be dying slower. If Mechs are dying faster, then they would have lower armor or less firepower... You see how those two phenomenae would cancel out?
You can't have Mechs dying more easily at the same time when Mechs have less stopping-power.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:01 AM
lordtzar, on 04 June 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:
Probably this. Being a light mech specialist in the higher elo brackets is an exercise in futility. You think you're a god amongst men until you hit the 'better than average' elo and suddenly nobody has a problem nailing you. It makes my machine gun spider sad.
Good. You drive a Spider. Spiders are dangerous but I crush them with a shoe with ease.
So you are dangerous yet fragile, like a spider was designed to be.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:04 AM
Hyper99, on 04 June 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:
There is no such thing as a weak mech grasshopper. There is only - pilot fatigue, inadequate focus, inability to adapt to your environment ect....
Anyone can take a Timberwolf and create 600 damage. It is those who can create 600 damage with a trebuchet and have truely found zen and their niche.
One does not know unless thine tries.
Anyone can take a Timberwolf and create 600 damage. It is those who can create 600 damage with a trebuchet and have truely found zen and their niche.
One does not know unless thine tries.
Yes!
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:04 AM
Nightmare1, on 04 June 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:
I've watched many MWO veteran pilots that lack skill lose to inferior Mechs.
Why were you looking at me when you said that?...
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:06 AM
Here is 2 of my fav mechs Gar-prime: weapons= (RA)1x uac5 3 tons of ammo, (CT)1x erppc, (LA)2x erml + (LA)2x ersl. armor= 18head, RT + LT 50front 18back, CT 82front 18back, RA+LA 52, RL+LG 60 and 1 mk1 tact computer. Banshee-3S: 270 engine weapons= (RT)1x lpl + 4x mpl, (LT)1x ac20 5 ton of ammo, (LA)1x lpl. armor= 18head, LT+RT 62front 18back, RA+LA 64, CT 100front 20back, RL+LG 75 and 6 DHS's. As you can see I don't skip on armor or firepower and yet I met mechs that run head first into me.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:20 AM
I see people thinking that I said I just stand there and shoot back but when in fact I torso twist to spread dmg around my mech so one spot isn't too messed up and stay on the move, but what im saying is an enemy mech with much weaker builds run straight into me head first and does a crazy amount of dmg to me and yet they're still yellow when I put all my shots in to their CT.
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