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[Demonic]

Do you ever stop to think if a firestarter charge you with his 8spl? so easy to blame this and that...

[DAYLEET]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

So playing a proper sniper is something that upsets you or is it the inability to hit.

A proper sniper will use 2 gauss and finish the match with 3-4 kill and less than 300 damage. A raven that finish a match with 600+ damage and 3 kills really didnt do much good because the kills always happens at the end of a match where everyone is beaten and mindlessly sprayed damage all over 12 mech. Mopping the floor when all your buddies are dead is only good for screenshots, not your team.

[Lyoto Machida]

FupDup, on 04 June 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

This entire forum exists just to argue, it's not like threads accomplish much more than that most of the time. Only rare ones like Sandpit's Narc buff got something of worth done. This whole place, including every blog-esque thread you or anyone else makes, is an echo chamber to keep people busy and reduce the amount of emails clogging PGI's inbox.

That's why I just stick to snarky responses about PGI and their lack of will or skill to change things. When you spend a couple years making suggestions and trying to better the game (as many others have also tried to do) with little in the way tangible results from the devs, it's better to stick to the forums as a form of entertainment when you can't be/aren't dropping.

[bad arcade kitty]

lordtzar, on 04 June 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

Well, as a spider pilot I can say the first thing I do is find the enemy team and target all of them for the scouting bonus and then rake a laser across the entire enemy team for an easy 10-12 assists.

i like when lights try to do something like that it usually means either solo kill or assist + kill most damage dealt for me

[Piney II]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Being a sniper is a patient man's game Piney. Its why I don't do it.

Same here. Patience in battle is not one of my virtues.

[bad arcade kitty]

Demonic, on 04 June 2015 - 01:42 PM, said:

Any clan mech with clan streak 6, for example, I have more examples if you want to know.

they are brawlers, they soak a lot of damage unlike cowardly raven sniperss

[Johny Rocket]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

First, yes, just like any chassis, you do have good, skilled players that use it, and use it well. So obviously, it takes skill to be EFFECTIVE with one.

This is in regards to the legions of can't aim, hide 1000 meters away lightsabering your ERLLs all over the screen, players out there. Take you ecm and do something useful with it.....like actually support your team, or be part of a wolfpack.

Yes, you can eventually accumulate a few hundred damage, and sometimes even vulture a kill or two, while largely protecting your paintjob. Or, you could L2Aim, and be an actual asset to your team, fighting at closer ranges, where your lasers actually do some damage where your feeble aiming skills might let you at least keep that beam on the enemy mech, and again, yes, put your ECM to a better use than trying to protect your delicate epeen.

It's pretty bad when I vastly prefer you to be on the other team.

The Build itself can actually be a highly effective contributor. It's the Call of Duty, solo Rambo Hero mentality that seems attached to it the majority of time that is a detriment.

/rant,

you may now return to your QQing about the new Mechlab.

I love my 3L but I play way to aggressively to ever be 1000m in the back, though I don't plan on getting within 270m of the enemy if I can help it, srms are the bane of this mech.

Mine the way its built cooks along at 124kph, I run out front as fast as I can and harass the enemy with the 2 ERLL giving my (usually derp pug) team as much time as I can to move up and the mob decide where and what. Then I usually give the fatties cover if they promise to watch their step.

[Wintersdark]

FupDup, on 04 June 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

This entire forum exists just to argue, it's not like threads accomplish much more than that most of the time. Only rare ones like Sandpit's Narc buff got something of worth done. This whole place, including every blog-esque thread you or anyone else makes, is an echo chamber to keep people busy and reduce the amount of emails clogging PGI's inbox.

So true, and sadly why I try to post less and less. I'm in no way mad at PGI, not getting grouchy with them, but I'm certainly losing patience with the forums. I know - and have always known - that most of what goes on here is useless. It's just talk, and that's ok. It's a chance to discuss the game you love with fellow players who share your interests. Or, maybe a chance for pathetic people with nothing better to do with their time than rant on forums about a game they hate, but that's just sad.

But what's happened for me, at least, is the circular nature of the discussions, interspersed with the new players (not their fault!) endlessly restarting the same conversations, making the same arguments that have already been discussed and answered.


Ultimately, so very many of the posts that come up are "Hey, I have this great idea, PGI just needs to *this two thousand word essay* and everything would be awesome!" Invariably, these "suggestions" are:
1) Stupid and ill-considered (poster didn't consider even the obvious ways it would go horribly wrong)
2) Utterly impractical (even if it's a good idea, it simply won't happen and thus the whole discussion is a waste of time)
3) Completely misguided (A solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but the poster is either new enough or simply ignorant enough to believe exists)

I figure I could make maybe a dozen posts, and keep them nicely filed so I can just copy and paste them into pretty much every new thread that comes up. These days, though, I really just want to say shut up.

I get, though, that I'm just surly and old, and have been lurking around here way too long. Online game forums are as they always are. *grumbles* And that is my incoherent ranting diatribe for today.

[Dirus Nigh]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 June 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

LRM boats obviously

Stormcrow streak boat.

But a lot of units, even competitive units, use them in CW all the time so the community turns a blind eye to them.

[Alistair Winter]

The Raven 3L is kind of like... the flagship of douchebags in this game. And it breaks my heart to say it, because it's been one of my top 3 favourite mechs since I ever started playing. But when I started playing, the cookie cutter streak raven was giving RVN-3L pilots a bad name. Basically nobody cared if you did well in a RVN-3L back in the day, because it was horribly OP. And 90% of the RVN-3L pilots were just meta-bandwagoners and/or goons. So I just played the RVN-2X and RVN-4X for a while.

After a while, the top light mech players in MWO started using the RVN-3L as 2xERLL sniper. I will say, with no small amount of hubris, that I actually started playing this build before it was cool. But then suddenly everyone started using this build, and I went back to the RVN-2X and RVN-4X for a while.

Today, the 2xERLL sniper isn't really a world beater, but it's still being played by douchebags. This time, it's a new breed of douchebags. The Rambo lone wolves, who consider themselves the main character in a movie where the rest of the team are expendable extras. The guys who never put themselves at risk, never try to help out their teammates.

So the RVN-3L snipers are still hated, and when I do play the RVN-3L, I just use my 3xML + 2xSRM4 build. I tried running the RVN-3L as a role warfare mech with TAG and NARC, but ultimately the game doesn't make it enjoyable for me.

However... if there's one mech widely used by players who think they're the shizznit, while actually not contributing anything to the team, I wouldn't put the RVN-3L forth as the best candidate. The actual answer is... the Spider 5K. Spider pilots think they're Neo in the Matrix because their hitboxes allow them to basically dodge bullets, and they'll happily spend the whole match sniping with a single ER LL or just doing meaningless blitz attacks while jump jetting and spraying their limited weaponry all over the map. They're not even very good harassers, unlike sniper Ravens, because people will often just ignore them to a large extent. And at the end of the match, they're usually last man standing with 100-150 dmg.

I'll take a RVN-3L sniper who does 400 dmg over a Spider 5K jump jet tourist who does 150 dmg any day of the week. And to be honest, it's fairly rare to see a SDR-5D making a big difference too.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 04 June 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

I'll take a RVN-3L sniper who does 400 dmg over a Spider 5K jump jet tourist who does 150 dmg any day of the week. And to be honest, it's fairly rare to see a SDR-5D making a big difference too.

if they did that 400 dmg in a meaningful manner, and not just vulturing other people's work, i'd be happy, too.

Dirus Nigh, on 04 June 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

Stormcrow streak boat.

But a lot of units, even competitive units, use them in CW all the time so the community turns a blind eye to them.

I see less of those, and TBH, again, at least they HAVE to be in the middle of things. Plus with half the team running ecm these days, it's a little tougher, lol.

how hard is it to sit 1000 meters out, dorito free and spray and pray some erlls about?

[bad arcade kitty]

Dirus Nigh, on 04 June 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

Stormcrow streak boat.

But a lot of units, even competitive units, use them in CW all the time so the community turns a blind eye to them.

it's an easy to play but very team-oriented build
you are the best means of your team to get rid of lights, you dish a lot of damage, spread damage, but a lot of it, crippling enemy mechs, you are closer than 380 meters to enemy so you are brawling and soaking damage, you always press 'r'

it's nothing like backside lurmboats and laser/gauss snipers, actually quite often it's you who give most of the good locks to friednly lurmboats

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 04 June 2015 - 07:16 PM.

[Dirus Nigh]

bad arcade kitty, on 04 June 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

it's an easy to play but very team-oriented build
you are the best means of your team to get rid of lights, you dish a lot of damage, spread damage, but a lot of it, crippling enemy mechs, you are closer than 380 meters to enemy so you are brawling and soaking damage, you always press 'r'

it's nothing like backside lurmboats and laser/gauss snipers, actually quite often it's you who give most of the good locks to friednly lurmboats

Yet there is no skill in using them. its just lock on and spam fire until the target dies.

[bad arcade kitty]

there is no skill in *aiming* them
you still need to be at the right place at the right time, twist damage and use covers preferablynot losing the lock, etc

[Templar Dane]

There's so much butthurt in this thread. The raven that solos the last 4 guys on a team, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, is no worse than an assault/medium/heavy doing the same thing.

[Johnny Z]

Theres streak crows running around and someone had the nerve to make this topic. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

A decent Streak Crow could probly solo 3+ of these Ravens if they were on the map one at a time, without even aiming at any of them. This topic is a JOKE.

Edited by Johnny Z, 04 June 2015 - 08:52 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

lordtzar, on 04 June 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

There's so much butthurt in this thread. The raven that solos the last 4 guys on a team, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, is no worse than an assault/medium/heavy doing the same thing.

except the assault mech probably actually has to face his opponents?

Johnny Z, on 04 June 2015 - 08:48 PM, said:

Theres streak crows running around and someone had the nerve to make this topic. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

A decent Streak Crow could probly solo 3+ of these Ravens if they were on the map one at a time, without even aiming at any of them. This topic is a JOKE.

!200 meters vs 360 meters.....150 kph vs 106...yup them streak crows are a massive threat!

Proving yourself an idiot, 1 post at a time.

[Johnny Z]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

except the assault mech probably actually has to face his opponents?


!200 meters vs 360 meters.....150 kph vs 106...yup them streak crows are a massive threat!

Proving yourself an idiot, 1 post at a time.

Hey its you comparing the Raven to the Storm Crow, showing how completely out of touch you are. A complaint thread about the Raven? Really? You dont have to prove your an idiot one post at a time You did it with just one well done. LOL

Cya Goon. Maybe try something other than name calling out the gate.

[Bishop Steiner]

Johnny Z, on 04 June 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Hey its you comparing the Raven to the Storm Crow, showing how completely out of touch you are. A complaint thread about the Raven? Really? You dont have to prove your an idiot one post at a time You did it with just one well done. LOL

Cya Goon. Maybe try something other than name calling out the gate.

Dont let the door hit you. And hey, the name? Eh, you've earned that title over 100s of posts.

[Johnny Z]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Dont let the door hit you. And hey, the name? Eh, you've earned that title over 100s of posts.

What ever man your insults mean less than nothing to me. Save it for someone who doesnt know what you are.

Also, if a Raven was in range of the Streak Crow, that Raven wouldnt have a chance to fire more than 1 or 2 times. Your comparison is saying because the Raven may have a chance to fire back a couple times before that Streak gets to it and destroys it with easy, the Crow isnt a threat. Maybe play the game a bit more.

It would take an extremely good pilot and some luck to successfully kite a Streak Crow piloted by a monkey, in a dual ERLL raven and absolutely no skill for the Streak Crow to destroy multiple Ravens.

Edited by Johnny Z, 04 June 2015 - 09:20 PM.