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[FupDup]

Perhaps certain light mechs, such as Ravens, using long-range weapons is a direct response to them being relatively easy to splatter in close combat? It's similar to the so-called "support mechs" like the Mad Dog and Catapult that tend to do better with LRMs than SRMs.

That right there is called adaptation. In the immortal words of Joseph Mallan, "Adapt and Overcome."


If you want them to use short-ranged builds, how about find a way to make their short-ranged builds worthwhile. They're not gonna use or not use certain builds based on whether Bishop Steiner likes them or not, they're typically going to use them based on what they see as being the "better" choice for whatever reason(s).

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

It's why I prefer Mediums to Heavy. Less about the twitch skills (which even though this isn't a "twitch" game, good Light pilots need better twitch than most) and Lagshield (the reason Bads still pilot them), and more about tactics and situational awareness.

Don't have the speed of a Light, or the Armor and Firepower of Heavies or Assaults, but end up in some nebulous middle ground, jack of all trades, master of none. Make a bad tactical move (or like anything have a bad team) and you're toast.

Can't just run through the pack like I still see Lights do, time after time.

Mmhmm. Mediums or Assaults for me. Go fast, or go hard. If I jump into a light and try to run through enemy lines, I get oneshot - just like I do to lights trying that around me - my lack of HSR issues apparently also means others have no issues hitting me.

[Moldur]

To actually respond to OP's post:

Conceivably, something like this build: ZEU-9S
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It's not useless. It's not super detrimental to the team. It's just that it is very easy to run. You have 810m laser range. You'll be doing good damage by poking anything that moves, and the fact that you're an assault with long laser range means that your trade with the sniping 3L pilots will pretty much always be in your favor.

You can move the lasers and armor around, but you get the point.

[Catra Lanis]

Not my best but yeah I think the 3L carried its own weight and did not drag the team down.

[Wintersdark]

FupDup, on 04 June 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

Perhaps certain light mechs, such as Ravens, using long-range weapons is a direct response to them being relatively easy to splatter in close combat? It's similar to the so-called "support mechs" like the Mad Dog and Catapult that tend to do better with LRMs than SRMs.

That right there is called adaptation. In the immortal words of Joseph Mallan, "Adapt and Overcome."


If you want them to use short-ranged builds, how about find a way to make their short-ranged builds worthwhile. They're not gonna use or not use certain builds based on whether Bishop Steiner likes them or not, they're typically going to use them based on what they see as being the "better" choice for whatever reason(s).

The problem isn't long range lights, it's that subset of players with them. The ones that hide in the back and do nothing useful, just randomly spray large laser fire around uselessly.

[FupDup]

Wintersdark, on 04 June 2015 - 10:54 AM, said:

The problem isn't long range lights, it's that subset of players with them. The ones that hide in the back and do nothing useful, just randomly spray large laser fire around uselessly.

Then maybe this thread should have been created about certain players instead of a specific mech.

[lshtaria]

I would have said Stormcrows prior to the latest patch but the CUAC buff has me splattering them all over the place and proves that the vast majority of those pilots use the SCR as a desperate crutch.

Thinking about it, I really can't think of anything else that's as simple to play as the 3L.

Edited by Kyocera, 04 June 2015 - 11:08 AM.

[Templar Dane]

Kyocera, on 04 June 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

I would have said Stormcrows prior to the latest patch but the CUAC buff has me splattering them all over the place and proves that the vast majority of those pilots use the SCR as a desperate crutch.

Thinking about it, I really can't think of anything else that's as simple to play as the 3L.

Mechs are a crutch. Real men go fisticuffs against the enemy.

[Lyoto Machida]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

If they are lightsabering as is being put forth by Bish and others. Then no, they are not being helpful they are trying to play the "assist" system for bigger paydays. And that is just weak.

Unless we, the playerbase, are the ones making this game now or something. If so, I hadn't gotten the memo.

Disclaimer: I do not play that style but I don't see why people can't/shouldn't if PGI encourages that behavior through c-bill/XP rewards.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Wintersdark, on 04 June 2015 - 10:54 AM, said:

The problem isn't long range lights, it's that subset of players with them. The ones that hide in the back and do nothing useful, just randomly spray large laser fire around uselessly.

I've noted that generally, when a few players on both sides are dead and crippled and a lot of my teammates are between 40 and 70% health and everyone has been trading and then there's that one guy still at 97% the only thing I can think is that the guy is just trying to vulture (barring disconnected players that reconnected).

[Templar Dane]

Lyoto Machida, on 04 June 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

Unless we, the playerbase, are the ones making this game now or something. If so, I hadn't gotten the memo.

Disclaimer: I do not play that style but I don't see why people can't/shouldn't if PGI encourages that behavior through c-bill/XP rewards.

"Lightsabering" the enemy takes what, one or two shots at most? How dare anyone spend a few precious seconds getting assists when they're playing a light mech. When you scout the enemy team, why not do .1 damage to all of them?

You know, a mech that dies to one shot from a lot of mechs and doesn't pack the kind of firepower that guarantees making a lot of cbills.

My best cbill-earning mech is a firebrand. My favorites to pilot are the lights, the finesse lights. We all play the game to have fun, but part of the fun for most players is trying different things out. You want to buy a bunch of mechs, you need cbills and if your favorite style of playing the game is in a sniping light mech........why wouldn't anyone not scout + lightsaber?

36,000 cbills for scouting the entire enemy team.
3,500 cbills per assist, and you aren't going to get many kills if you aren't deliberately killstealing.

Edited by lordtzar, 04 June 2015 - 11:31 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

lordtzar, on 04 June 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

"Lightsabering" the enemy takes what, one or two shots at most? How dare anyone spend a few precious seconds getting assists when they're playing a light mech. When you scout the enemy team, why not do .1 damage to all of them?

You know, a mech that dies to one shot from a lot of mechs and doesn't pack the kind of firepower that guarantees making a lot of cbills.

My best cbill-earning mech is a firebrand. My favorites to pilot are the lights, the finesse lights. We all play the game to have fun, but part of the fun for most players is trying different things out. You want to buy a bunch of mechs, you need cbills and if your favorite style of playing the game is in a sniping light mech........why wouldn't anyone not scout + lightsaber?

36,000 cbills for scouting the entire enemy team.
3,500 cbills per assist, and you aren't going to get many kills if you aren't deliberately killstealing.

Hey, I don't have a problem with it...it's legal within the rules of the game, after all.

[Lugh]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

The old Closed Beta RVN-3L. That mech took absolutely no skill to do well.

Nothing could hit that thing. Nothing!

[CDLord HHGD]

Lugh, on 04 June 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

Nothing could hit that thing. Nothing!

Yeah, compared to THOSE days, the RVN is just fine.

[PurpleNinja]

Streak Crows

[CDLord HHGD]

PurpleNinja, on 04 June 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

Streak Crows

Boomcrows....

[Moldur]

Over the length of this thread it appears that equipping "weapons" onto the stormcrow is a noob strategy. Let me go ahead and reconfigure my builds.

[CDLord HHGD]

Moldur, on 04 June 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

Over the length of this thread it appears that equipping "weapons" onto the stormcrow is a noob strategy. Let me go ahead and reconfigure my builds.

Wait, I thought we were talking about the totally OP Raven.... Stormcrow.. Pfft!

[Bishop Steiner]

Maxx Blue, on 04 June 2015 - 10:32 AM, said:

Streak boating maybe? You don't really have to aim for that, just kinda point yourself the right way for a while. The best was the commando 2D back when SRM's still did unholy amounts of splash damage. Sure you would randomly explode when the lag shield disengaged, but other than that you just basically ran around, full tilt, holding down the fire button to spam streaks at whatever you happened to get a lock on. That was probably the most easy-mode mech I've played. I also remember splat cats being pretty much face-hug-for-victory in that same timeframe. These days, I probably play the Mad Dog with either a pile of LRMs or Streaks if I just want to turn my brain off. They aren't as survivable as some of the lights can be with their mobility, but a streak dog works about the same for me whether my brain is on or not.

streak boating you at least have to be in the thick of it. You can be bad, but even a bad streak boat tends to contribute more to the actual teams chance of winning than some schmuck a klick away playing PewPew Jedi

lordtzar, on 04 June 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

firestarters would be a lot more popular.

I'm hoping this is meant to be ironic?

RoboPatton, on 04 June 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Yes a light player needs to be more "twitch", therefor you can't say this game isn't "twitch". If that's the only way to survive/thrive with lights, then I'd say there is an element of "twitch" that is-in-fact part of the game.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegitimate.

at what point did I say twitch skills were illegitimate?

Ben¡ing a waste of 35 tons swinging your lazors thru the air, now THAT's a different story.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 04 June 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

Perhaps certain light mechs, such as Ravens, using long-range weapons is a direct response to them being relatively easy to splatter in close combat? It's similar to the so-called "support mechs" like the Mad Dog and Catapult that tend to do better with LRMs than SRMs.

That right there is called adaptation. In the immortal words of Joseph Mallan, "Adapt and Overcome."


If you want them to use short-ranged builds, how about find a way to make their short-ranged builds worthwhile. They're not gonna use or not use certain builds based on whether Bishop Steiner likes them or not, they're typically going to use them based on what they see as being the "better" choice for whatever reason(s).

Again, you seem to miss the point. Could care less if they want to do long range. But when the majority of them are SINGULARLY BAD AT IT, to the point of making no real contribution.... if they were at least at close range, or in a different mech if they can't make a real contribution in a Raven (perhaps you missed that very very first part in the OP about players who actually know what they are doing?), being up close and being an ecm carrier, or even using their mighty LAZORs where they can land 2-3 ticks of dmg, and sometimes even in one location, would be a start.

As noted, those who can actually master (the oh so hard) skill of holding a mouse steady, ain't the point of the OP. Only have said that like 20 times or so, but reading, must be OP.

Catra Lanis, on 04 June 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

Not my best but yeah I think the 3L carried its own weight and did not drag the team down.

and thus, as the OP stated, it would not be directed at you, now would it?