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#1 Erghiez06

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 08:47 PM

So I've been thinking about moving onto a different mech platform to master. I caved and bought me a CN9-YLW and a ILYM. Can anyone suggest any decent builds for these two?

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:28 PM

I take it you have neither mastered. If you have other centurions mastered, or other cataphracts mastered, definitely recommend you get either or both mastered ASAP, as they only really shine when you have the extra module slots and manuverability.

The Yeng Lo Wang in fact is kinda freakish in that it maintains the number of modules that used to be common in mechs like the centurion and generally across the board. Mastering it even gets one more, so you can be running both cooldown and range modules for two different weapons, which is neat, plus be running something extra like radar deprivation, then consumables. Yeng Lo Wang also has some really nice quick torso twist which really makes up for not having the lower arm actuator, in fact it's sort of key to playing the YLW correctly. Because most people run it with the big gun, AC20, they need to protect it. Though it has very fast cooldown, which can be even further enhanced by cooldown module, you don't want it exposed for long so play with a YLW consists of pivoting your torso to fire on an oppponent, then jerking back away so that your big gun is shielded by your body and shield arm.

Loading the YLW is usually pretty simple. If you go standard engine you will be slow, but people often like the AC20 and two medium lasers, with 3 tons of ammo. I think this is done with a standard 250. You might be able to bring .5 - 1ton extra ammo with judicious armor stripping, but I do recommend you NOT take any armor off the weaponless right arm, because it really does yeoman work as a shield and has a huge buff as well in terms of armor points.

If you want to go the way of XL, it can be viable, but even more so you will need to be using your speed and quick torso twist to CONSTANTLY be twisting and rolling damage to all locations. Running an XL lets you really carry even more AC20 ammo, I typically find myself running 5 tons for 35 shots. If you run a low/slow XL engine and want to be daring, you can also run a LARGE PULSE LASER in your CT, for some wub fun. The idea behind this is that as you are constantly twisting and turning, you are going to be passing over your desired target alot, so often you will be able to get that really quick LPL wub wub wub as you pivot onto your target, then BOOM, hit with the AC20 and then shield your AC20 right arm again by twisting away. Sometimes in there you can get that second LPL shot in and it's not too shabby. Running modules your range can be about 350m for the ac20 and around 400m+ for the LPL, not too shabby... and sometimes worth taking shots a little beyond effective range for slightly reduced damage.

Another build I sometimes run on XL is meant for more range, but still runs the AC20. Since the AC20 on the YLW is hitting stuff at 350m, it doesn't need to always be played in close where people can easily core you or pop the arm... and what if the ARM is popped, do you really want to be close then? LPL alone is not so fun as a weapon, though it can do some work - which lead me to running ER Large in the CT sometimes, using extra tonnage for heat sinks, perhaps a beagle active probe. This can work quite nice, softening a target with no real need to close in initially, leaving you less useless in the early phase of a match, but then still able to bring the hurt with the AC20 once you enter the scrum.

Of course, for firepower people often go for the AC20 and 2 medium pulse lasers. Definitely short range, but it's not so bad if you are good leading shots with the AC20, because that cannon is almost mid range given proper use of modules and it's quirks. Some supremely confident fellahs will even laugh at lasers and actually run 2 uac5 in the arm with as much ammo as they can carry. I wouldn't, as the arm can be lost very easily if you aren't careful, or are facing foes who have good aim and the patience to strip you when you expose yourself. This is also my gripe against the gauss and er large, gauss and med lasers, and gauss with mpl builds.

For phracts/Ilya Muromets, well you're on your own there. I use em, like em but I've had all sorts of builds. My favorite weapons usually have been something like 2 uac5 and 2 er large/large lasers which works for me on the Ilya. Good luck.

Edited by Mad Porthos, 04 June 2015 - 09:44 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:46 PM

View PostMad Porthos, on 04 June 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

I take it you have neither mastered. If you have other centurions mastered, or other cataphracts mastered, definitely recommend you get either or both mastered ASAP, as they only really shine when you have the extra module slots and manuverability.

The Yeng Lo Wang in fact is kinda freakish in that it maintains the number of modules that used to be common in mechs like the centurion and generally across the board. Mastering it even gets one more, so you can be running both cooldown and range modules for two different weapons, which is neat, plus be running something extra like radar deprivation, then consumables. Yeng Lo Wang also has some really nice quick torso twist which really makes up for not having the lower arm actuator, in fact it's sort of key to playing the YLW correctly. Because most people run it with the big gun, AC20, they need to protect it. Though it has very fast cooldown, which can be even further enhanced by cooldown module, you don't want it exposed for long so play with a YLW consists of pivoting your torso to fire on an oppponent, then jerking back away so that your big gun is shielded by your body and shield arm.

Loading the YLW is usually pretty simple. If you go standard engine you will be slow, but people often like the AC20 and two medium lasers, with 3 tons of ammo. I think this is done with a standard 250. You might be able to bring .5 - 1ton extra ammo with judicious armor stripping, but I do recommend you NOT take any armor off the weaponless right arm, because it really does yeoman work as a shield and has a huge buff as well in terms of armor points.

If you want to go the way of XL, it can be viable, but even more so you will need to be using your speed and quick torso twist to CONSTANTLY be twisting and rolling damage to all locations. Running an XL lets you really carry even more AC20 ammo, I typically find myself running 5 tons for 35 shots. If you run a low/slow XL engine and want to be daring, you can also run a LARGE PULSE LASER in your CT, for some wub fun. The idea behind this is that as you are constantly twisting and turning, you are going to be passing over your desired target alot, so often you will be able to get that really quick LPL wub wub wub as you pivot onto your target, then BOOM, hit with the AC20 and then shield your AC20 right arm again by twisting away. Sometimes in there you can get that second LPL shot in and it's not too shabby. Running modules your range can be about 350m for the ac20 and around 400m+ for the LPL, not too shabby... and sometimes worth taking shots a little beyond effective range for slightly reduced damage.

Another build I sometimes run on XL is meant for more range, but still runs the AC20. Since the AC20 on the YLW is hitting stuff at 350m, it doesn't need to always be played in close where people can easily core you or pop the arm... and what if the ARM is popped, do you really want to be close then? LPL alone is not so fun as a weapon, though it can do some work - which lead me to running ER Large in the CT sometimes, using extra tonnage for heat sinks, perhaps a beagle active probe. This can work quite nice, softening a target with no real need to close in initially, leaving you less useless in the early phase of a match, but then still able to bring the hurt with the AC20 once you enter the scrum.

Of course, for firepower people often go for the AC20 and 2 medium pulse lasers. Definitely short range, but it's not so bad if you are good leading shots with the AC20, because that cannon is almost mid range given proper use of modules and it's quirks. Some supremely confident fellahs will even laugh at lasers and actually run 2 uac5 in the arm with as much ammo as they can carry. I wouldn't, as the arm can be lost very easily if you aren't careful, or are facing foes who have good aim and the patience to strip you when you expose yourself. This is also my gripe against the gauss and er large, gauss and med lasers, and gauss with mpl builds.

For phracts/Ilya Muromets, well you're on your own there. I use em, like em but I've had all sorts of builds. My favorite weapons usually have been something like 2 uac5 and 2 er large/large lasers which works for me on the Ilya. Good luck.



Loving the Ilya. I love my K2 but it pales in comparison by a long shot. Haven't played with the Yen Lo yet. Thanks a ton for the build advice. I'll definitely be using it.

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 10:12 PM

I possobly will take my Ilya and Yenlo out. What is the most actual viable build for it at the moment? Still drive it with 3 UAC5s and 3 Med Lasers

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 10:12 PM

View PostErghiez06, on 04 June 2015 - 09:46 PM, said:



Loving the Ilya. I love my K2 but it pales in comparison by a long shot. Haven't played with the Yen Lo yet. Thanks a ton for the build advice. I'll definitely be using it.

Have you tried asymmetric builds on the K2 yet? Some people have played them for years but still not tried asymetric, but there are a few interesting combos that opened for me on the K2 when I did. For instance for a long time I had immense distaste for the boom cat, the 2x ac20 catapult K2 which usually was slow and close, a doomed combo on a mech with a huge CT, and huge cockpit hotbox. I tried the 2 xac10, 4 med laser, the various ppc builds, dual gauss, even the 4 large laser... all required too much face time when opponents could core you or take your side.

Then one day I saw a guy with the idea of only using one of the ballistics, but using it well to make a sort of mini misery, ac20 on whatever side torso he wanted, a big standard engine, ammo and still tonnage for 2 large lasers and heat sinks, even BAP. Again, like the Yeng Lo Wang it no longer has to stay close, but once the fight comes to you, the ac20 gets results. Just like the YLW, CONSTANTLY twisting and firing as your reticule pans over your target, spreading damage over all components, possibly trying to fit LPL, MPL, or medium lasers also for the short bursts damage, denying the target face time to core you - all because you can simply Wub-wub-wub in the split second as you are turning and twisting past your target denying them the chance to focus the CT.

Edited by Mad Porthos, 04 June 2015 - 10:18 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 10:22 PM

YLW is a bringer of doom.
in Pug games many people underestimate it until its to late.

i roll it with a xl 300 and 2 medium pulse laseres.

best tactic for me is to stay with the heavies and protect their backs.
sooner or later the usual suspekts show up ( raven/firestarter) to shoot at some rear amor just to find me waiting for them.
the Torso twist on the wang denies them the possibillty to outcircle you. so they run or die.

also ur able to outflank enemys or even better get in their rear. ( no one wants an ac 20 aiming at their rear torso)

AND ALWAYS PROTECT THAT AC 20 ! using your shield arm!

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 09:43 AM

I have been running the Ilya for a long time now, and like you I just got the YLW.
A common mistake people make with the Ilya (which I did) is loading UACs. The AC/5 quirks do not apply to UAC/5s so you really should not do that. I try to play to the quirks on the mechs I use. This is the current loadout on my Ilya, which works pretty good. I'm sure people might find some fault with it or other - some people seem to like to use XLs in cataphracts for instance. But laying things out this way you cannot die from side torso and arm shots. Two things that were pointed out to me early on were that you never want to be afraid to pull the trigger, so bring plenty of ammo, and you want to have enough armor in front to be able to slug it out. This is basically a brawling build and I think of Ilya as a brawling mech.

I am new to the YLW (just got it today) but it has insane AC/20 quirks which makes me think it's insane not to take advantage of them. I just got mine and haven't quite finished it out, but with an ac/20 cooldown module and the quirks it is .. very nice. What I have seen is that you want to go fast in the Yen-Lo-Wang so you can dodge. Some people use XLs for that and right now that is what I am using, but my plan is as mentioned above to use a STD 250 which I think will give enough speed and yet let me have a whole left side to sacrifice. I haven't achieved or tested, but am leaning toward this build, which I took what someone else was calling a "survivor build" and tweaked it.

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 01:03 AM

The Ilya was my first mech in MWO and I still suck with it. Low slung arms, barn like profile, magnetic side torsos. Weapons that require long face time...sorry but I can't comment on it other than it's fun to try to do well in a less than ideal mech in today's meta. Those who can pilot Atlases will probably do well with the Ilya.

The YLW on the otherhand is one of the most fun and most rewarding mechs to play (after you master it and load it up with modules) It really surprised me just how fun & effective this thing was. I did a lot of testing and the STD version with an AC20 and 2mlas does well and can tank unbelievable amounts of damage but I found that as I played more and more matches, I began to need more ammo. So I now run it with a 300XL, 2mpulse, an AC20 and the rest Ammo.

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-I carry coolshot consumable modules despite it having pretty good heat efficiency. Its often the difference between getting that final kill or letting them get one more alpha in as you escape during a heated brawl or circle of death.

-It's good at peaking and hiding, but excels at running from one bit of cover to another.

-try to target heavies and assaults - get target info before you leave your cover. They are the most forgiving targets to hit when you're twitch aiming and torso twisting like a madman immediately after each shot.

-practice firing your AC20 at targets while in the middle of a torso twist (imagine throwing a frisby or skipping a stone on a lake). You'll be surprise how often you can use this technique while you're darting between buildings or behind other cover, while minimizing CT exposure

-although it makes sense to peek around right side corners because your AC20 can reach around it, you'll tend to get your arm shot at even if you torso twist well as you retreat back into cover. I say, don't be afraid to peek around the left side of corners because as you retreat. Your AC20 will be the first body part back into cover as you retreat. Let your enemies waste their Heat and Ammo on your shield arm.

-near the end of the match if you have lost your left shield arm and have no armour on your left Side Torso, remember that your AC20 arm does have armor quirks. Sometimes, to our own detriment, muscle memory kicks in and we'll automatically shield with the damaged side. Just be aware of your armor levels on the AC20 arm. if it means surviving one more alpha and finishing the match alive with your CT lasers, go ahead and shield with your AC20 arm.

Does anybody have any opinions on STD vs XL? I personally have tested both out even if I die more, I end up with more kills and more damage pretty consistently if I use the XL build.

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 06:28 AM

YLW with AC20 and ML is weak for support. AH with AC20 with SRM-4 does a much better job.

The best main weapon for YLW is dual UAC5 (120/150 ammo). You get great burst damage, great range and you can desync UACs for brawl to make your opponent freak out. At the end of the day, you can easily do well over 400 damage in a match and quickly chew through armor. Crazy twisting angles on YLW also let you engage enemy mechs at the most advantageous position for yourself.

Also XL engine works best for any CN. Tanking is suicide anyways and extra weight nets you a larger engine or more ammo.

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 06:32 AM

The build I wouldn't run because XL, but if you like speed and really fast torso twist, this might be your spiel. YEN-LO-WANG

What is most probably the best all-around build.
YEN-LO-WANG

The build to run if you still want MPLs but a Standard Engine.
YEN-LO-WANG

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 06:45 AM

For the YLW, I like running an Excel 300, AC/20, four tons of ammo, and two MPLs. Armor is maxed out across the Mech except for the head which is completely unprotected, and perhaps one or two points on the legs (make sure you torso twist and use that speed!).

It rocks! 51st in the YLW category. :)

Note: While it does run an Excel, keep in mind that your Mech's functionality is built around that AC/20. Lost it, and you lose that functionality. As such, equipping Standards is a bit pointless and really limits you. If you put in a big engine, then not only are you fast, but your Mech agility also goes up substantially, helping you protect that AC/20. It's a high-risk, high-rewards build, but I believe that it's the best one for the Mech.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:01 PM

View PostErghiez06, on 04 June 2015 - 08:47 PM, said:

So I've been thinking about moving onto a different mech platform to master. I caved and bought me a CN9-YLW and a ILYM. Can anyone suggest any decent builds for these two?


Ilya is pretty versatile. 2x Gauss with 80-100 shots, 3 AC5 + 2 LL, 3 UAC5, 3 LB10, 2 UAC5 + 2 LL and so on. You can also do 2x PPC 2x AC10 (with shaved armor I think) for 40 point alphas or AC20 + 2 LPL.

YLW is mostly just AC20 + 2 ML or Gauss + ER LL if you don't like the AC20.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:38 PM

My 2 favorite ilya builds were the 3 x LBX10 (7 tons) and the 2 x gauss (7 tons) 3 x ml. Both take a xl280. Leave the AC5 builds for the 4X, it just does it better.





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