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[bad arcade kitty]

HoundOfCullan, on 06 June 2015 - 04:12 AM, said:

To get to the top I would need 3 solo kills a game for every game.

>Only your best 10 matches over the course of the event will be counted toward the Leaderboard

you can play several dozens of games and may be ten of those will have enough damage and kills to fit the top of the board

[Lostdragon]

HoundOfCullan, on 06 June 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

I bought the Death Knell just for this tournament. I had saved up 1375MC from other tournaments and at 50% off I thought what the heck.

I'm actually enjoying the little guy. I've got a LL, 2MPL an XL195 and full armour. I don't find the mech crappy at all.

Play it after the tournament when everyone is back in their big alpha mechs. I'm enjoying the TDK right now but I know it won't last.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Got the XL280, 3 AC10 and Endo... 3 tons left for ammo. FFA wouldn't give enough mass and taking armor off seems a bad trade for ammo of a medium range gun. I don't see how to make it durable.

The XL with the 3 tons ammo is the bad part for sure. 45 rounds over 3 cannons will go fast. It might be doable (if not light in ammo) with 2 A/C10s, but definently not 3.

No backup energy once ammo is gone (soon) is bad. So, now you step down your engine to a 260 or something for more ammo or energy. Now you are painfully slow and not maneuverable.

Triple A/C10 SOUNDS awesome, but not a great idea in a Phract. The trip 5s are more doable if you want to do multiple ballistics. A/C5 quirk to cool down, an A/C5 cool down module, and STD 280 ~285 (durable and quick) seems to be the way to go for a dakka build. You can do a STD 290, but 4.5 tons of ammo is too little. Even 5 tons with a 280 or 285 is light, but I find it acceptable with some trigger discipline.

I don't think I ever tried the 2 LLaser, 1 A/C20 build, but I may try it in my 3D.

P.S. If you like that build and want something a bit crazy. Look at this...

http://mwomercs.com/...th-catapult-k2/

[Alistair Winter]

@OP: And this is why I don't participate. You don't have to have the perfect match, you have to have 10 perfect matches. Since the tournament lasts a whole weekend, people are just playing endlessly to get the kind of matches that only happen once in a while for most people. It comes down to 50% skill and 50% willingness to just sit in your underwear a whole weekend, shooting robots and eating delivery pizza while drinking Gatorade.

El Bandito, on 06 June 2015 - 04:50 AM, said:

OP, if you are solo player you will almost never get to top score. The top guys usually play in groups and feed kills to one guy. Then they get like 3500 score at the end of the day.

<sigh>

I stand corrected. 33% skill, 33% willingness to waste a weekend and 33% having other friends on the internet who help you win a robot shooting contest to get that 2 dollar reward.

[STEF_]

TBH, I'm enjoying rolling my commando, and I'm doing it all alone in puglandia, no team.
I don't care about the prizes (lame ones).

Really fun time, 11* spot right now with 1900+

AAaaaahhhhh, there's nothing like rolling a commando.!

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 06 June 2015 - 09:45 AM.

[Yokaiko]

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 June 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

TBH, I'm enjoying rolling my commando, and I'm doing it all alone in puglandia, no team.
I don't care about the prizes (lame ones).

Really fun time, 11* spot right now with 1900+

AAaaaahhhhh, there's nothing like rolling a commando.!

I wish either because of my crap ISP or wonderful netcode I can't drive anything fast this weekend, yo-yo all over the place or sometimes I'll be buzzing along and it suddenly decides that I turned and plants me into a wall

[STEF_]

Yokaiko, on 06 June 2015 - 09:50 AM, said:

I wish either because of my crap ISP or wonderful netcode I can't drive anything fast this weekend, yo-yo all over the place or sometimes I'll be buzzing along and it suddenly decides that I turned and plants me into a wall

Yep, I'm swithing off/on the router, hoping something would improve.... but, nope.
The strange thing is that it happens frequently and at random, I find myself or enemies warping.

A bunch of matches without weird things, and I can do something good....
I hope in a good monday, though.

[Fate 6]

Monkey Lover, on 06 June 2015 - 04:28 AM, said:

haha ilya is a barn door without jj. All it can do is 3x ac10 that's it.

Then why did a see a dual guass Ilya just murder the enemy team?


This event is only partially skill. A truly good event would say "hey, play 10 matches and that's it". As it stands it's just a grind to get those random matches where your team manages to kill nothing but put it all at 1 hit from dead so you can just walk up and finish them all off. Damage counts for so little of your score, this is ALL about randomly getting kills, and getting solo kills and most damage dealt means you have to be a sniper or you have to have REALLY dumb enemies.

So far in my X5 I've been averaging 400-500 damage and at least 1 kill per game, but even with my good matches I'll only be at like 2500 points. As someone said, you have to play group games and have people feed you kills. TwinkyOverlord is a great player, but he didn't get to the top of the Urbanmech challenge alone - he had a Kitfox with ECM escorting him there.

Edited by Fate 6, 06 June 2015 - 10:03 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

MeiSooHaityu, on 06 June 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

And that's why you fail. Trying to run 3 A/C10s is a terrible build. You run fragile and slow. Put that build in any mech of the same weight and it too will be terrible.

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2015 - 04:29 AM, said:

Then how do I have 2 Large and an AC20 on mine?

I guess you don't understand. If you want 20ac and large lasers you might as well use half a dozen other mechs that are better and FREE.

If you want ac10x 3 then get the ilya but as MEI said it's.bad.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 06 June 2015 - 10:53 AM.

[Richard Hazen]

52 in Oxide now, sooo close.

[Mavairo]

It's perfectly doable.
Just play smart.

I'm rank 8 (For now), in a Fang.
Been solo every game.

Edited by Mavairo, 06 June 2015 - 11:02 AM.

[Johnny Z]

Bongo TauKat, on 06 June 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

That and why is the IV Four not listed on the hero mech list?

Just a guess but maybe next week they will have the remaining Hero mechs.

Also to be on leader boards players need 10 scores of 100+ or so. Very few matches for anyone to get a 100+ score.

Playing regular queue here also. Sometimes great teams, sometimes suckage lol.

Edited by Johnny Z, 06 June 2015 - 11:43 AM.

[DAYLEET]

HoundOfCullan, on 06 June 2015 - 04:12 AM, said:

The top of the leaderboards for the current tournament are really high.

I'm not a terrible player. In solo queue I'm always at (or near) the top of the match score. While writing this I'm some place around 35th on the board. To get to the top I would need 3 solo kills a game for every game.

Assuming you didn't do even 1 point of team damage let's guess at the numbers in a pug drop:

800 damage (800/15) = 53

2 solo kills = (30 + 20 + 10)X2 =120

10 kill assists (10X9) = 100

Win = 10

Survive = 10

Total = 293 X 10 = 2930

For me that would be a really good game, and that's still not enough to get to the top of some of the leaderboards. Crazy!

You are not supposed to pull those score every match, just play an obscene amount of match so that you get enough freak games to get up there.

[Johnny Z]

DAYLEET, on 06 June 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

You are not supposed to pull those score every match, just play an obscene amount of match so that you get enough freak games to get up there.

Made mistake looking at wrong board.

Edited by Johnny Z, 06 June 2015 - 11:42 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Yokaiko, on 06 June 2015 - 04:17 AM, said:

They wanted old crappy heros.

The only decent one is the Yen Lo and even that is a crap shoot in PUG and SOLO matches. No one pushes and unless the other team runs into you you will never be close enough to do anything decent.

Worst event they have ever had, throwing a bone to the hero owners i guess? More like pity...

[Bishop Steiner]

Bongo TauKat, on 06 June 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

That and why is the IV Four not listed on the hero mech list?

because they aren't using all heros this week. And the next hero tournament will use a different set than today.

It's pretty obvious they are data mining. Too many options, too diluted a data pool, with some choices (like TBH, IV Four and Pretty Baby) getting next to no play at all.

Sure these events are to boost player numbers and sales, but they also are for balancing info. You can bet they are gathering data for adjustments to the next wave of quirks.

Monkey Lover, on 06 June 2015 - 04:26 AM, said:

Good hero mechs are coming on a later event. No one would buy this junk if the good mechs were 50%

Seriously? Oxide, YLW and Ilya are freaking beasts.

[Revis Volek]

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 June 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

TBH, I'm enjoying rolling my commando, and I'm doing it all alone in puglandia, no team.
I don't care about the prizes (lame ones).

Really fun time, 11* spot right now with 1900+

AAaaaahhhhh, there's nothing like rolling a commando.!

Just had a match where my Yen Lo could only take 3 steps at a time before it froze....everything was fine. Ping steady at 42 and great connection speed. Yet the server limited me to a 3 step shuffle.....

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2015 - 04:29 AM, said:

Then how do I have 2 Large and an AC20 on mine?

Works better with 2 ERLL. That's what I been wrecking face with. AC20, 2 ERLL and a STD300.

Monkey Lover, on 06 June 2015 - 04:28 AM, said:

haha ilya is a barn door without jj. All it can do is 3x ac10 that's it.

Um...no.

In fact, none of the best builds follow that.

Have seen 3x LBX, 3x UAC5 wreck face. I run either a fast hunter (340xl, 2x ac20, 2x mlasers, though you gotta watch getting focused and play like a medium... ) or ac20 and 2 ERLLs with a std engine.

Some folks need to experiment just a teensy bit more apparently.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yokaiko, on 06 June 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Basically, once the score passes 2400 you need 3 solo kills two other kills and a couple top damage dealt to move the board.

Yup, hit that plateau a few times in the other tournaments. It's doable, even solo, but you have to grind so many matches for the odds to line up, especially with the lovely Win and Loss streaks the MM puts you through. If you don't have all weekend to devote, or get REAL lucky and get bad teams on both sides (if your team is actually good, you will never grab super high scores as they too will be wrecking stuff.... ).

Or, as Bandito suggested, have teams feed stuff to you, though with the solo kill requirement that's harder to do. Probably why it was added, as certain units were pretty well known for tactics like that in the past (or having multiple player suse one guys account to grind the weekend)

Gotta love people so pathetic they gotta cheat to win a Participation Award on a Video Game.

SMH

El Bandito, on 06 June 2015 - 05:12 AM, said:

Let's see if you can keep it then. The event is still young.

I held 2nd in the HBK Founders challenge for 2 solid days, but had IRL the last 2. Ended at 15th (was 16th til one person ahead of me got banned for cheating.... so officially, I am 16th still, I guess).

Yup. The Grind and law of averages. You got to be good, but you also have to play either a crap ton of matches, get REAL lucky, or have ..... alternative methods.

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Got the XL280, 3 AC10 and Endo... 3 tons left for ammo. FFA wouldn't give enough mass and taking armor off seems a bad trade for ammo of a medium range gun. I don't see how to make it durable.

and that is why it's a BAD build. I have seen people manage to rock the 250xl with 3 LBX but even that was few and far between.

And a few people manage to make the Triple Gauss work.... as long as nobody closes with them.

MeiSooHaityu, on 06 June 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

The XL with the 3 tons ammo is the bad part for sure. 45 rounds over 3 cannons will go fast. It might be doable (if not light in ammo) with 2 A/C10s, but definently not 3.

No backup energy once ammo is gone (soon) is bad. So, now you step down your engine to a 260 or something for more ammo or energy. Now you are painfully slow and not maneuverable.

Triple A/C10 SOUNDS awesome, but not a great idea in a Phract. The trip 5s are more doable if you want to do multiple ballistics. A/C5 quirk to cool down, an A/C5 cool down module, and STD 280 ~285 (durable and quick) seems to be the way to go for a dakka build. You can do a STD 290, but 4.5 tons of ammo is too little. Even 5 tons with a 280 or 285 is light, but I find it acceptable with some trigger discipline.

I don't think I ever tried the 2 LLaser, 1 A/C20 build, but I may try it in my 3D.

P.S. If you like that build and want something a bit crazy. Look at this...

http://mwomercs.com/...th-catapult-k2/

340xl, 2ac10, 2 Mlasers and maxi armor allow for 7 tons of ammo. Used that for a long time before the focus fire alphas got to be too crazy.

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 June 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

AAaaaahhhhh, there's nothing like trolling a commando.!

FTFY

[Bishop Steiner]

Monkey Lover, on 06 June 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

I guess you don't understand. If you want 20ac and large lasers you might as well use half a dozen other mechs that are better and FREE.

If you want ac10x 3 then get the ilya but as MEI said it's.bad.

um, no, not really. Spending money to get 30% cbill boost doesn't mean resigning yourself to bad builds. But keep doing it that way if you like.

Fate 6, on 06 June 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

Then why did a see a dual guass Ilya just murder the enemy team?


This event is only partially skill. A truly good event would say "hey, play 10 matches and that's it".

And it would have to be Solo only then.

Because teams can totally skew things.

Problem is, because of being a team game, with MM and Elo "balancing" you can be the best of the best, and get 10 matches in a row that all the carrying in the world mean nothing. There's a reason I've seen Heim and Proton have double digit matches.

And if the thing has you in Elo hell during the Tournament, then what?


Now if they turned Elo off for the weekend, maybe it would be a little better. IDK.

Fate 6, on 06 June 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

TwinkyOverlord is a great player, but he didn't get to the top of the Urbanmech challenge alone - he had a Kitfox with ECM escorting him there.

also, this really removes my respect for a player.

DarthRevis, on 06 June 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

The only decent one is the Yen Lo and even that is a crap shoot in PUG and SOLO matches. No one pushes and unless the other team runs into you you will never be close enough to do anything decent.

Worst event they have ever had, throwing a bone to the hero owners i guess? More like pity...

more like data mining for Quirks and balancing passes. Just alike all of these tourneys have been.

Well, that and the usual population boost and incidental sales.