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[Sarlic]

Some people on those boards are questionable.

This is something people can't deny.

Edited by Sarlic, 07 June 2015 - 07:59 AM.

[Mavairo]

Bush Hopper, on 07 June 2015 - 07:55 AM, said:

Unfortunately this is so true. I have seen some of the 50 top dogs of several categories. Some were really good and deserve their position. It was also fun to recognize some names from those lists because PuGgin hasn't felt so anonymous.

Then there are some "top dogs"...well...where you simply shake your head and it is glaring obvious that there is some kind of manipulations going on. In one case I was shot out my mech early and thought: "cool, now you can learn something from that dude by watching him play" and spectated from his cockpit. I was flabbergasted how bad a shot he was and how he played. And that guy has a score of 3000+.

It's possible to get there through pure pugging.
Thing is, I can't speak for any others, but once you have a hero match (lets say 700 dmg, 4 or 5 kills, and 5 assists,) you keep trying to top it. Which leads to mistakes, being made. This morning is a case example for me.
First match 706 dmg 4 kills 5 assists + 2 kill by most dmg dealt.

Next match 450 and 3
425 and 2
233 and 0.
At that point I decided to take a break lol.
People don't realize or at least most don't the gap between a hero match and a 250 dmg suck match, really isn't as wide of a gulf as people think it is. There's luck, how relaxed you are, and how good you and your pugmates are. One error, and you can go from having a 500+, to a 250. At least in the DRGs anyway. One little slip in how you've read the battlefield and it's over.

Edited by Mavairo, 07 June 2015 - 08:03 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Mavairo, on 07 June 2015 - 07:59 AM, said:

It's possible to get there through pure pugging.
Thing is, I can't speak for any others, but once you have a hero match (lets say 700 dmg, 4 or 5 kills, and 5 assists,) you keep trying to top it. Which leads to mistakes, being made. This morning is a case example for me.
First match 706 dmg 4 kills 5 assists + 2 kill by most dmg dealt.

Next match 450 and 3
425 and 2
233 and 0.
At that point I decided to take a break lol.
People don't realize or at least most don't the gap between a hero match and a 250 dmg suck match, really isn't as wide of a gulf as people think it is. There's luck, how relaxed you are, and how good you and your pugmates are. One error, and you can go from having a 500+, to a 250. At least in the DRGs anyway. One little slip in how you've read the battlefield and it's over.

I didn't say it isn't possible. Some peeps are really good and when the stars align they will get such matches. My point was, though: there are people who never ever could have reached that insane score with their degree of skill like the dude I watched from his cockpit.

Monkey Lover, on 06 June 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

Why get the oxide when you can get the.huggin?
Why take the ilya when you can take an ecm phat with better quirks?

An Oxide can perform great with run-by attacks. A Huggin needs to bite like a pitbull and never let lose. Apples and oranges to some degree

Edited by Bush Hopper, 07 June 2015 - 08:07 AM.

[Mavairo]

Bush Hopper, on 07 June 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

I didn't say it isn't possible. Some peeps are really good and when the stars align they will get such matches. My point was, though: there are people who never ever could have reached that insane score with their degree of skill like the dude I watched from his cockpit.




An Oxide can perform great with run-by attacks. A Huggin needs to bite like a pitbull and never let lose. Apples and oranges to some degree

Oh I'm aware there's people being fed kills, with premades, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Not quite cheating, but certainly bending things...for a fun tournament, where the prize isn't going to be real cash money, or fame. A tournament where, the winners list is deleted right after it's over with no less.

Given how few Fangs I've run across this weekend in the solo que, I'd say most are in group que at the very least at this point.

[Catra Lanis]

Match 1: 4 kills (2 solo) 1 assist 660 dmg we got stomped.
Match 2: 6 kills (none solo) 4 assists 667 dmg we got stomped

Clearly I must carry HARDER!

Problem is... I can't. Yes I suspect some of the top scorers are being fed kills. While not cheating I think it's cheap for something that is about bragging rights only.

[Sarlic]

Mavairo, on 07 June 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Oh I'm aware there's people being fed kills, with premades, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Not quite cheating, but certainly bending things...for a fun tournament, where the prize isn't going to be real cash money, or fame. A tournament where, the winners list is deleted right after it's over with no less.

Given how few Fangs I've run across this weekend in the solo que, I'd say most are in group que at the very least at this point.

Yep. Exactly what i am talking about. People bend rules for obvious reasons. But i do see alot of other folks dropping more in a hero and that's a plus in the solo que.

[Mcgral18]

Catra Lanis, on 07 June 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

Match 1: 4 kills (2 solo) 1 assist 660 dmg we got stomped.
Match 2: 6 kills (none solo) 4 assists 667 dmg we got stomped

Clearly I must carry HARDER!

Problem is... I can't. Yes I suspect some of the top scorers are being fed kills. While not cheating I think it's cheap for something that is about bragging rights only.

I've found a 2 man is a nice place to be. You can carry a certain amount of Derp, but you can both get a fair amount of kills and both qualify to a certain point.

I've only got 3 good qualifiers (~5 kills, ~5 assists, ~1000 damage) but managed to stay 5 overnight.


Bar isn't set too high just yet. Of course, it will only go up, and there's still 2 days left.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

#3 Heavy Metal

I hate this mech why did I buy it

[Jack Booted Thug]

DarthRevis, on 06 June 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

Just had a match where my Yen Lo could only take 3 steps at a time before it froze....everything was fine. Ping steady at 42 and great connection speed. Yet the server limited me to a 3 step shuffle.....

Hmmm, I've been having this issue too lately. Ping will be 80-90 but I skip all over the place, end up instantly facing walls, other directions, shooting enemy mechs that aren't really there.

But my ping still shows below 100 and yet everyone and myself are skipping all over the place.

WTF?

[Bishop Steiner]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 07 June 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

#3 Heavy Metal

I hate this mech why did I buy it

because 2 years ago it was good. Then....Poptarts and Paul converged to give us.....this........ So by killing Heavy Metal, were Poptarts the GLAM bands and Paul Grunge?

[InspectorG]

El Bandito, on 06 June 2015 - 04:50 AM, said:

OP, if you are solo player you will almost never get to top score. The top guys usually play in groups and feed kills to one guy. Then they get like 3500 score at the end of the day.

I was guessing something like that.
I have been doing pretty well in my X-5 but...cant break 50. Got to 36 yesterday, thats about it.

PGI should break it into Solo/Group leaderboards.

[HoundOfCullan]

I also think the formula is biased towards heavies. It should take weight into account, maybe divide your score by your weight.

I've been playing with the commando build, first using ERLL + 2 MPL, then ERPPC + 2 ML, and finally 4 MPL. Most games I'm around 500 damage. (I'm running my poorly armoured commando with an XL so some games I get one shoted through the rear torso...those games I do 100 damage...anyway). My solo kill chances and my damage output are greatly reduced with my loadout when compared to a heavy or assault carrying 6 LPL for example. The numbers should reflect that.

[Bishop Steiner]

HoundOfCullan, on 07 June 2015 - 01:19 PM, said:

I also think the formula is biased towards heavies. It should take weight into account, maybe divide your score by your weight.

I've been playing with the commando build, first using ERLL + 2 MPL, then ERPPC + 2 ML, and finally 4 MPL. Most games I'm around 500 damage. (I'm running my poorly armoured commando with an XL so some games I get one shoted through the rear torso...those games I do 100 damage...anyway). My solo kill chances and my damage output are greatly reduced with my loadout when compared to a heavy or assault carrying 6 LPL for example. The numbers should reflect that.

tell the Flame that

[Duke Nedo]

Catra Lanis, on 07 June 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

Match 1: 4 kills (2 solo) 1 assist 660 dmg we got stomped.
Match 2: 6 kills (none solo) 4 assists 667 dmg we got stomped

Have to call the 2nd game there... 6 kills, 4 assists, that's 10 red mechs killed... that's not what I'd call getting stomped...

[bad arcade kitty]

Greyboots, on 07 June 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

Heh. I'm in my X-5 and the number of streak crows and big aplha mechs out there is still plenty to ruin my day when I'm not paying attention..

hehe, i'm here to hunt for x-5 :3

since they didn't let us clanners to participate, at least i can have fun killing cicadas, they go down even easier than death knells, those are usually more careful... only good pilots dare to pilot commandos

[Duke Nedo]

Anyways, think I've had my fun from this tournament. Bought a Fang, got it elited in 24 games and reached #32 without really paying attention to the score formula. No doubt you can reach the top with a mastered mech while trying to optimize you points etc. Probably only got 2 games that would really qualify for the top 5 of the board in these 24 so at this rate I would have to make another 100 drops or so....

Quite happy to have the Fang in my stable as well now, Not -1N output, but DPS is pretty good when you commit! Fang has delivered quite reliably, 4.2 k/d ratio, pew pew boom!

[Mike Oakenwall - the khadoran]

masCh, on 06 June 2015 - 02:03 PM, said:

Yes you do need 10 matches with:

.: 900+ damage done
.: 2+ solo kills
.: 5+ most damage dealt
.: 4+ killing blow, 8+ assists

Winning & surviving are good bonus points, if you lose the match but get an extra kill that would make up for the loss.

This would net you about 350 per match. Get 10 of these to get your 3500 points.

Focus on solo matches, weak pilots on your side mean weak pilots on their side too. Kill weak passive pilots last!

My credentials (if its important to you):

How are you gonna get that in a x-5?
I dont have 10 matches in it yet i dont think but stil, some numbers feel rather high. Most likely a team effort. Should be easier to solo in a heavier mech though..

Feels rather unreal just that the smaller mechs have so high numbers..

Sure its possible some people just play an abnormal amount of games to get 10 really good ones but most likely the guy plays against vastly worse opponents than he should or get fed kills.. elo not working?

Edited by deanon, 07 June 2015 - 02:53 PM.

[Lostdragon]

deanon, on 07 June 2015 - 02:51 PM, said:

How are you gonna get that in a x-5?
I dont have 10 matches in it yet i dont think but stil, some numbers feel rather high. Most likely a team effort. Should be easier to solo in a heavier mech though..

Feels rather unreal just that the smaller mechs have so high numbers..

Sure its possible some people just play an abnormal amount of games to get 10 really good ones but most likely the guy plays against vastly worse opponents than he should or get fed kills.. elo not working?

I've been wondering what the scores would be if the group queue did not count toward the event. Some guys will play huge numbers of matches, which is fine, but looking at the leaderboard I have to wonder if there is not some fishiness going on in the group queue.

[Mavairo]

Lostdragon, on 07 June 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

I've been wondering what the scores would be if the group queue did not count toward the event. Some guys will play huge numbers of matches, which is fine, but looking at the leaderboard I have to wonder if there is not some fishiness going on in the group queue.

Pretty sure there is.
I feel like the odd man in the fang board right now.
I think us solo guys should get a points break at the very least if this shared board between group and solo is going to continue.

Edited by Mavairo, 08 June 2015 - 05:59 AM.

[masCh]

The inclusion of the group queue into the Leaderboard is only introduced in this Heroes tournament.

I don't understand the reason behind it either.