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[Ax2Grind]

More curious is when a group like the Templars keeps someone on their command staff who has had their main account banned from MWO.

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 07 June 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

...As someone that's been harassed for wearing the tag of a unit whose leadership was caught cheating in BF2 tournaments, I gave him the solution I used and that was to distance myself from "The Scarlet Letters."

Excellent advice.

[9thDeathscream]

Ur unit is tainted with chaos, only thing to do is kill it.

Wear the tags and carry the shame.

Alternatively make a new unit and build up a new, on the level reputation.

Choice is yours.

Edited by Akulla1980, 07 June 2015 - 11:58 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

It would have been better for PGI to ban all and dissolve the unit. There is no way in hell the other members didn't know.

Sorry no one is that stupid. I don't buy any of the excuses given here. Cheaters stand out like a sore thumb to experienced players.

Once PGI does that the others will get the hint.

[TWIAFU]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

What is PGI going to do about players calling all members of a unit that had someone banned "cheaters". I am VERY tired of this treatment.

Nothing PGI can do about human nature.

Right or wrong, you are judged by the company you keep.

[Nightmare1]

Jman5, on 07 June 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

We need to insist PGI to creates a "/mute player" command so that we can create a list of players we don't ever want to hear from.

This!

I had my first encounter with a forum troll in game this weekend. It was annoying; he kept up a text harrassment the entire match. It was almost like he was a little chihuahua yipping at me the whole time, but without me having the luxury of kicking it across the room to make it hush. If we had a block list, then I'd never have to put up with the guy again.

[Mordin Ashe]

I am happy when enemies call me a cheater. It means that they have no idea what they did wrong => next time we meet they will be an easy target again. Calling someone a cheater means that the person is at the bottom of the food chain and is about to stay there for a bit longer.

[Triordinant]

Sir Wulfrick, on 07 June 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

Yup, been this way since I first installed the Doom 2 demo from a set of floppy disks...

After Doom 2 came out, we actually played it multiplayer using the office LAN after hours. Working for an IT company during the early 90s was cool.

[Mercules]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Animus41

you might rethink that and look outside of MWO forums....... I didn't post there ...... PGI as well as named individuals from PGI have posted in public media. You miss the point that it takes it to a WHOLE new level.

If you publically do this you are accountable .....Personally and as a business.

Publically accountable for WHAT though? Telling the world that a bunch of people who broke their terms and condition in one of the worst possible ways among the gaming community did so? I think nearly any court in the world would look at that and go, "So they openly broke the rules and were listed as someone openly broke the rules? Okay, next case."


If you are being harassed in game or through medium that PGI actually controls in a meaningful manner, have reported it to PGI and they have done nothing about it then PGI is responsible. If you are being harassed through any medium beyond PGI's control then you report said persons to those who's job it is to monitor said medium. So via phone, phone company, maybe the police if there is serious harassment.


If you want people to stop thinking that your unit which had cheaters at the highest level is not okay with cheating... Good Luck! you are going to need it. If leadership was cheating your unit is forever tainted and you will have to deal with that. The solution next time is to not allow cheating in your unit and especially not allow LEADERSHIP to cheat.

See most people assume that leadership sets the tone for the unit and in most cases that is true. If the leadership decides something is the way it is done that filters down to the rest of the group. If leadership of my Unit believes that playing a mech you like is more important than playing a Meta Mech that attitude is going to filter down through the rest and even if someone in the middle thinks I should switch to a more Meta friendly mech they are going to suggest that, not try and demand it because leadership sets the tone. If your unit had leadership that was cheating most people are going to assume they would look the other way when the regular members did it so as far as they are concerned it is possible your entire unit cheats but not all of them got caught and haven't done so since.


TLDR: High members of your unit cheated. Unit will never recover from that reputation. Nothing PGI can do about that.

[GeistHrafn]

Interestingly, our 4 man ran with 66AH in group queue last night. Our entire unit is aware of the cheating, yet we said nothing to them. You can bet many of the other people in the match (especially after this forum post!), knew about the cheating as well, yet again, nothing was said all match, by the winners or losers.

Seems the in-game bashing is not as prevalent as you might have us believe. I certainly don't think you've helped your case by starting this inflaming forum post, however.

[bad arcade kitty]

>Interestingly, our 4 man ran with 66AH in group queue last night. Our entire unit is aware of the cheating, yet we said nothing to them.

you know, it reminds me that joke about lenin who was a very kind man, once, when he lived in the village, he was shaving in the open air and a little boy was passing by, he could cut the boy's throat with his razor but he didn't

[Feetwet]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 07 June 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

I think I'm a cis-gendered heterosexual male. At least that's what all the signs point to...

Let's see:
-likes to fish
-likes to hunt
-likes guns
-likes women
-likes to lift
-likes to drink beer
-likes bacon
-likes more bacon
-likes having facial hair
-likes having a high fade haircut
-likes football, especially SEC football
-has male plumbing

I think the only thing that is suspect is my love of the colors scarlet and indigo and my penchant for My Little Pony.

Now you are talking my language. SEC, SEC.

Sorry, had to log in just for this. So I guess to try and contribute, I have been the target of and witnessed a ton of demeaning statements in game chat and forums (git gud, steering wheel underhive, you using a joystick, GGClose, and this list continues) to really care about the OP problem. I imagine if I go back and look at ALL of the OP's post I will not find a single instance of him defending us unwashed masses as we were berated.

I also am a little reluctant to believe a statement like 'I have the evidence right here, I just can't show it to you because reasons'. Maybe he did reveal it after page 3, still making my way back.

S

[GeistHrafn]

bad arcade kitty, on 08 June 2015 - 08:51 AM, said:

>Interestingly, our 4 man ran with 66AH in group queue last night. Our entire unit is aware of the cheating, yet we said nothing to them.

you know, it reminds me that joke about lenin who was a very kind man, once, when he lived in the village, he was shaving in the open air and a little boy was passing by, he could cut the boy's throat with his razor but he didn't

I assume you are insinuating that we chose not to say anything in this instance, but could/would have otherwise. I can only offer that our unit tends to avoid unfortunate situations like this if possible. Whether you believe that or not is slightly irrelevant. As I said, none of the members of the other units in that match said anything either, even though we quite soundly won the match.
By winning the match teamed with a unit that has been cheating, it would have provided people on the other team with the perfect opportunity to accuse/blame/harass 66AH members, and yet still nothing was said.

[bad arcade kitty]

no, i mean that "i didn't slander my opponents, i'm so good" is a pretty fun kind of bragging

[Mercules]

bad arcade kitty, on 08 June 2015 - 09:08 AM, said:

no, i mean that "i didn't slander my opponents, i'm so good" is a pretty fun kind of bragging

Great that you interpreted it that way, but that wasn't what they said.

They were stating to the OP, "Hey, you say your being harassed, but I was in a match with you and didn't see anyone harass you, so are you exaggerating?"

You really love to read into everything so that it plays out in your head what you want it to say, don't you.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

bad arcade kitty, on 08 June 2015 - 08:08 AM, said:

^ it's kind of funny that this tool also liked the top post on this page, lord scarlett johan's, where people like him are laughed at

I actually don't have people make fun of me for my choice of cartoon, at least to my face.

[Bishop Steiner]

Feetwet, on 08 June 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Now you are talking my language. SEC, SEC.

S

SEC....... SEC........

OH! The Special Education Conference!!! Where academics are meaningless in college as long as you can run fast!

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 08 June 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

I actually don't have people make fun of me for my choice of cartoon, at least to my face.

Nah nah look at the pony boy! You like to taste the rainbow girlyman?!?!?!

Meh. Can't get myself feeling too inspired today, sorry.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 June 2015 - 09:34 AM.

[TKSax]

OP,
As far as I know PGI did not post the names out side of The forums, non-pgi people copied the names onto Reddit and other places. The closes; would be Russ link to the post on Twitter.

If people are trully harassing, aka more that just say someing about the cheating unit, then report them and move on.

Personally I have always laughed at people getting upset at what was said in chat beyond Racist/Homophobic/such stuff. So what if someone said GGclose at then end of match, so what if they bragged about how bad they stomped you. They are just words said in a digital world that mean nothing in the long run, its not like they know you in real life or even ever meet you so why let it bother you.

[Lugh]

Wahhh they are hurting my feelings. Make them stop. Waaaah. Grow a thick skin and get over it.

[Escef]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Actually we require people to be respectful of other players,...

So far every group I've seen make that claim has had some very vocal members put that to lie by being disrespectful of other players and the group doing NOTHING about it. HHoD, SRPH, and... Hmm... Oh, yeah, 66AH, because cheating is so very respectful.

If your group wants to clear themselves of the taint, do as Scarlet said and reform under a different name and do a better job of policing yourselves.

[Bishop Steiner]

Valdherre Tor, on 08 June 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

The thing is, your unit mates got caught cheating and you gained from their cheating without knowing c-bills and CW rank. You shaved some of the grind and they very well carried you. If i were you, I would ask PGI for a pilot name change and maybe find a new unit to distance yourself from the drama because at the end of the day QQ will never get any respect for their accomplishments.

this is 66AH, not QQ.