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[Bishop Steiner]

First, yes, just like any chassis, you do have good, skilled players that use it, and use it well. So obviously, it takes skill to be EFFECTIVE with one.

This is in regards to the legions of can't aim, hide 1000 meters away lightsabering your ERLLs all over the screen, players out there. Take you ecm and do something useful with it.....like actually support your team, or be part of a wolfpack.

Yes, you can eventually accumulate a few hundred damage, and sometimes even vulture a kill or two, while largely protecting your paintjob. Or, you could L2Aim, and be an actual asset to your team, fighting at closer ranges, where your lasers actually do some damage where your feeble aiming skills might let you at least keep that beam on the enemy mech, and again, yes, put your ECM to a better use than trying to protect your delicate epeen.

It's pretty bad when I vastly prefer you to be on the other team.

The Build itself can actually be a highly effective contributor. It's the Call of Duty, solo Rambo Hero mentality that seems attached to it the majority of time that is a detriment.

/rant,

you may now return to your QQing about the new Mechlab.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 04 June 2015 - 08:20 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

LRM boats obviously

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 June 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

LRM boats obviously

that's debatable. See too many Ravens step out, lightsaber all of the screen for half a second, maybe splash a tick of dmg while they are at it......

SMH.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

Yes! The no skill noob machine is the doomcrow. Waddle around shooting your lazors tanking 3x the damage your spposed to.

On topic - I agree. Those builds are mostly Rambo wana bees who have no intention of helping out. Needless to say, I'd rather have one of these on the team than a damn single ERL spider running around plinking so ridiculously slowly away at mechs from 1000m+

[Murphy7]

I don't think the problem with the Raven-3L, so much as the lightsaber waving that happens pretty frequently. Ridiculously long burns on the clan ER LLas and people painting targets with them like they're Bob Ross gets annoying.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

First, yes, just like any chassis, you do have good, skilled players that use it, and use it well. So obviously, it takes skill to be EFFECTIVE with one.

This is in regards to the legions of can't aim, hide 1000 meters away lightsabering your ERLLs all over the screen, players out there. Take you ecm and do something useful with it.....like actually support your team, or be part of a wolfpack.

Yes, you can eventually accumulate a few hundred damage, and sometimes even vulture a kill or two, while largely protecting your paintjob. Or, you could L2Aim, and be an actual asset to your team, fighting at closer ranges, where your lasers actually do some damage where your feeble aiming skills might let you at least keep that beam on the enemy mech, and again, yes, put your ECM to a better use than trying to protect your delicate epeen.

It's pretty bad when I vastly prefer you to be on the other team.

The Build itself can actually be a highly effective contributor. It's the Call of Duty, solo Rambo Hero mentality that seems attached to it the majority of time that is a detriment.

/rant,

you may now return to your QQing about the new Mechlab.

But isn't the CoD Rambo mentality the run in guns blazing die over and over again cause Respawn? Sitting in the back under cover and concealment is actually what a sniper does. So playing a proper sniper is something that upsets you or is it the inability to hit.

Murphy7, on 04 June 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

I don't think the problem with the Raven-3L, so much as the lightsaber waving that happens pretty frequently. Ridiculously long burns on the clan ER LLas and people painting targets with them like they're Bob Ross gets annoying.

But we like happy trees don't we?

Bob Ross was a good technician but really wasn't much of an artist.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 04 June 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

So playing a proper sniper is something that upsets you or is it the inability to hit.

FTFY. Since a "proper" sniper actually uses his fire effectively.

and though I realize you are simply attempting to be snarky.

Run n Gun is not the issue, even in CoD. It's the "all about me, and screw the team" mentality that usually accompanies that. The reason Snipers are popular in so many games is it caters to that mentality, under a veneer of "legitimacy". Players here find that because of lack of respawn, the only choice they have, with that mentality, is to sit in the back and be a "sniper".


It's the selfish, my stats, protect my epeen mentality that is the issue.

Hyper99, on 04 June 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

Yes! The no skill noob machine is the doomcrow. Waddle around shooting your lazors tanking 3x the damage your spposed to.

On topic - I agree. Those builds are mostly Rambo wana bees who have no intention of helping out. Needless to say, I'd rather have one of these on the team than a damn single ERL spider running around plinking so ridiculously slowly away at mechs from 1000m+

true, plinking with 2 ERLLs is twice as effective as plinking with one, so there is that.

[El Bandito]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

Is There Anything That Takes Less Skill To Run Than An Er-Large Laser Raven-3L?

The old Closed Beta RVN-3L. That mech took absolutely no skill to do well.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

The old Closed Beta RVN-3L. That mech took absolutely no skill to do well.

pretty sure that mech doesn't exist anymore though, now does it?

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

FTFY. Since a "proper" sniper actually uses his fire effectively.

and though I realize you are simply attempting to be snarky.

Run n Gun is not the issue, even in CoD. It's the "all about me, and screw the team" mentality that usually accompanies that. The reason Snipers are popular in so many games is it caters to that mentality, under a veneer of "legitimacy". Players here find that because of lack of respawn, the only choice they have, with that mentality, is to sit in the back and be a "sniper".


It's the selfish, my stats, protect my epeen mentality that is the issue.

Ok. Snarkiness aside, I see the players/play style you are complaining about.

[LordBraxton]

Im confused Bishop. On one hand it takes no skill, on the other, it sucks and they just spread damage everywhere? Shouldnt this thread be, 'Tell me who has less skill than RVN3L pilots?'
Seems like you hate the pilots not the mech. I run 2LL cicada 3m and cover my team, basically the same mech, I just stick with the fatties.

Edited by LordBraxton, 04 June 2015 - 08:46 AM.

[Piney II]

I like the 2 ERLL 3L.........but pew-pewing from across map is beyond boring. I like to run with the pack, provide some ECM support, and pew-pew from there.

[Lyoto Machida]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

pretty sure that mech doesn't exist anymore though, now does it?

Sadly, neither do most of the CB/release era mechs...

Hell, even seeing an AC40 is entertaining nowadays...can only imagine what a 4 or 6 PPC Stalker looks like.

[Joseph Mallan]

Piney, on 04 June 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

I like the 2 ERLL 3L.........but pew-pewing from across map is beyond boring. I like to run with the pack, provide some ECM support, and pew-pew from there.

Being a sniper is a patient man's game Piney. Its why I don't do it.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 04 June 2015 - 08:46 AM.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Stormcrows

[MeiSooHaityu]

My Raven 3L is set up with 3 MLasers and 2 SRM4s+ART. I use mine for more direct attacks and yes, I try to stay near the team to supply ECM support. I have to admit though, I haven't used my 3L in a while.

Now, as for ERLLaser sniping, I prefer my Urbanmech . Yes I know, it's an Urbie without a ballistic, but I use it for this roll because of JJs, high mount energy, 360° torso, quick reverse, and decent energy quirks.

I threw 2 ERLLasers and 4MGs on minemine (XL170), it works OK.

Now, I have another one running 3 LLasers . Bummed I couldn't fit JJs with an XL170, but it stays pretty cool considering and it does so much damage.

Anyway, my "low skill" builds are the Urbies, I stick closer to the team in my Raven.

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Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

First, yes, just like any chassis, you do have good, skilled players that use it, and use it well. So obviously, it takes skill to be EFFECTIVE with one.

This is in regards to the legions of can't aim, hide 1000 meters away lightsabering your ERLLs all over the screen, players out there. Take you ecm and do something useful with it.....like actually support your team, or be part of a wolfpack.

Yes, you can eventually accumulate a few hundred damage, and sometimes even vulture a kill or two, while largely protecting your paintjob. Or, you could L2Aim, and be an actual asset to your team, fighting at closer ranges, where your lasers actually do some damage where your feeble aiming skills might let you at least keep that beam on the enemy mech, and again, yes, put your ECM to a better use than trying to protect your delicate epeen.

It's pretty bad when I vastly prefer you to be on the other team.

The Build itself can actually be a highly effective contributor. It's the Call of Duty, solo Rambo Hero mentality that seems attached to it the majority of time that is a detriment.

/rant,

you may now return to your QQing about the new Mechlab.

I have quite a bit of pilot time in my Dire Wolves, and I'll be the first to admit, the thing that worries me the most is getting one of these behind me while trying to get into position at the race to the front line. If you don't want to be cored out, you either turn around and deal with it, or turn around and throw the DW in reverse the whole way to some cover... This sucks in pugland, because usually it removes you from the moving mass, singles you out and if you're lucky, get swarmed by a wolfpack.

Honestly Bishop, I hate it, but one Raven can remove half the team, especially if they start chasing an ECM squirrel.

[Yosharian]

Define 'skill'.

[Joseph Mallan]

Yosharian, on 04 June 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

Define 'skill'.

Being sneakier, and have better eye hand coordination that the next player.

[Templar Dane]

It's no wonder people don't want to play light mechs. It's almost like they're supposed to be an ECM with legs.

Oh noes the enemy team jumped us. If the light mechs had been scouting that wouldn't have happened. Thanks, raven.

We got steamrolled because we didn't have anybody harassing the enemy from behind. Thanks, raven.

I got solo'ed by an enemy light because our lights weren't supporting me. Thanks, raven.