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[Richard Hazen]

Is there such a massive difference between a Dragon and Grand Dragon that there is a possibility of a the Grand Dragon being introduced as a separate mech?

[signal]

I've always thought of the flame as a slightly modified grand dragon (and it is the only variant with an energy arm), especially since the grand dragon is just a refit and upgrade that got standardized

Edited by signal, 09 June 2015 - 07:22 AM.

[Mad Ox]

From Smurfy and Sarna its pretty close to Grand Dragon already.

- Grand Dragon used 360 XL which Dragon in MWO can use.
- Torso twist was upgraded from 250-300 degree's, a Dragon Elited icluding torso and arms almost hits 300 degrees so this could be improved.
- Current Dragon otherwise only missing Energy slot from Right Torso and Right Arm.

All of which can easily see them rolling into Dragon and expanding it or easily creating Grand Dragon line. But as its basically a slight change they are gonna push new mechs over revamps.

[Spheroid]

I actually think we will get many more Dragons in the future. Remember the Dragon has not received its dynamic weapon visual pass. I wager that must be completed before more variants are added.

Twin high mounted energy would be great and would definitely play different than the low mounted but articulated ones on the Flame.

[IraqiWalker]

Deimos Alpha, on 09 June 2015 - 07:21 AM, said:

Is there such a massive difference between a Dragon and Grand Dragon that there is a possibility of a the Grand Dragon being introduced as a separate mech?

Let me put it this way:

The Grand Dragon isn't really a different mech. It's a variant that got very well known. If the Grand Dragon is a different mech from the dragon, then the Boom Jager is a different mech from the jager.

So PGI can literally just add dragon variants that use more energy, and that's the grand dragon.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 09 June 2015 - 05:03 PM.

[Ace Selin]

Best youll get is a variant of the Dragon that mimics the load out of the Grand Dragon

[Icebergdx]

Technically, the Grand Dragon is just a Dragon Variant. I hope they put it in, just because I am a Original Battletech fan.

[Nightshade24]

Don't know about you, but there is 3 Variants of the Atlas II in timeline (main difference: Ballistics in the arm) and there are some other II's and even III's mechs that are in timeline...

[Escef]

Nightshade24, on 19 June 2015 - 06:39 PM, said:

Don't know about you, but there is 3 Variants of the Atlas II in timeline (main difference: Ballistics in the arm) and there are some other II's and even III's mechs that are in timeline...

Last I checked, Atlas II is extinct outside of clan second line units. The Enforcer III and Jagermech III are both out of timeline (we're only at 3052).

[Nightshade24]

Escef, on 19 June 2015 - 10:40 PM, said:

Last I checked, Atlas II is extinct outside of clan second line units. The Enforcer III and Jagermech III are both out of timeline (we're only at 3052).

Isn't the king crab also extinct beyond clan use as well besides certain variants?

Also isn't the black knight practically unrecognizable from stock due to all the field refits due to it's age? On top of that being a rare chassis? Would be logical to give 1 black knight JJ and another ECM if this follows through.

Let's not mention the fact the Shadowcat P or should I say Shadowcat J which first saw combat in 3071...
3071, quite a bit far away from 3052 or the technical time of MW: O 3050

(3052 is the first time Couldron born and Shadowcat saw combat with the IS, but they were made and saw combat with other clans in trails and such since 3050, MW: O doesn't care about 'eventual' history... otherwise with all this double heatsinks and weird builds it's nearly 3060 by that standard...)

Atlas II still exists, at least as clan second line units, if it really tickles your jimmies to see them on the IS side on CW then add them to the clans exclusively as well as the King crab and the Highlander 732b. (at least for when the clans are deffending there own planet: which would be the perfect time to see the second line mechs)

[Escef]

Nightshade24, on 20 June 2015 - 01:31 AM, said:

... if it really tickles your jimmies...

If you don't want your "jimmies tickled" (really? now THAT is a turn of phrase that just sounds dirty) than maybe when you say things are in timeline you should take the time and effort to be, y'know, correct about them? Just a thought.

[Nightshade24]

Escef, on 20 June 2015 - 02:10 AM, said:

If you don't want your "jimmies tickled" (really? now THAT is a turn of phrase that just sounds dirty) than maybe when you say things are in timeline you should take the time and effort to be, y'know, correct about them? Just a thought.

Atlas II AS7-D-H introduced in 2765
Atlas II AS7-D-H K introduced in 2833
Atlas II AS7 D-H2 introduced in 2780

Has same "AS7" designation as the standard atlas and majority of BT's history was reguarded as a group of Variants under the Atlas. Taking K out for hero purposes, we're left with 2 Atlas II sub variants and 5 standard Atlas variants (AS7-D, AS7-D-DC, AS7-K, AS7-S, and AS7-RS) adding to a total of 7 Atlas' within 3050 in MW: O at worst and fill in under 3052 bracket.

Atlas II's never ceased being produced in the known time line and never had an extinction date either. Nor do they have a reintroduction date due to the soul factor it never went extinct.

These mechs were also rather highly prized by Clan pilots, often kept in top presteen condition much like they did with the King crabs, Highlanders, etc.

An Atlas II was even feilded in the Battle of Tukayiid in 3052 amidst the clans. (which caused some confusion for the IS at the time as they were not aware of any normal atlas captured by clanners)



Care to correct me on those dates? Or continue to boast on how you memorized all these dates in your head and keep saying it's out of timeline...

[IraqiWalker]

Nightshade24, on 20 June 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Atlas II AS7-D-H introduced in 2765
Atlas II AS7-D-H K introduced in 2833
Atlas II AS7 D-H2 introduced in 2780

Has same "AS7" designation as the standard atlas and majority of BT's history was reguarded as a group of Variants under the Atlas. Taking K out for hero purposes, we're left with 2 Atlas II sub variants and 5 standard Atlas variants (AS7-D, AS7-D-DC, AS7-K, AS7-S, and AS7-RS) adding to a total of 7 Atlas' within 3050 in MW: O at worst and fill in under 3052 bracket.

Atlas II's never ceased being produced in the known time line and never had an extinction date either. Nor do they have a reintroduction date due to the soul factor it never went extinct.

These mechs were also rather highly prized by Clan pilots, often kept in top presteen condition much like they did with the King crabs, Highlanders, etc.

An Atlas II was even feilded in the Battle of Tukayiid in 3052 amidst the clans. (which caused some confusion for the IS at the time as they were not aware of any normal atlas captured by clanners)



Care to correct me on those dates? Or continue to boast on how you memorized all these dates in your head and keep saying it's out of timeline...

Actually, The Atlas II ceased to exist in the IS when Exodus happened. Every Atlas II pilot left with General Kerensky. The design was not produced in the IS, because it was SLDF Royals only, and with the Terran Hegemony's collapse no one knew how to build them anymore. No production of Atlas IIs happened in the IS until the Word of Blake had kicked their Jihad into high gear (3070 to be specific).

[Nightshade24]

IraqiWalker, on 20 June 2015 - 03:11 AM, said:

Actually, The Atlas II ceased to exist in the IS when Exodus happened. Every Atlas II pilot left with General Kerensky. The design was not produced in the IS, because it was SLDF Royals only, and with the Terran Hegemony's collapse no one knew how to build them anymore. No production of Atlas IIs happened in the IS until the Word of Blake had kicked their Jihad into high gear (3070 to be specific).

However the official battletech sources does not state the date for it for being ceased to be produced (perhaps there is a 'hidden' variant out there that will be released to the standard TT games later on? This has happened earlier from memory, missing links and stuff are added over time... happened for the Annihilator, the Atlas, the Timberwolfs, the Ares, etc.

However on paper, it has not ceased production or at least production of spare parts and equipment, and it has never went extinct.




Note: Alright, no Atlas II's exist in the IS forces in 3050... neither is the Timberwolf, but we still have that in game. =P

[IraqiWalker]

Nightshade24, on 20 June 2015 - 03:31 AM, said:

Note: Alright, no Atlas II's exist in the IS forces in 3050... neither is the Timberwolf, but we still have that in game. =P

Timberwolf is still clan only, and since we're in operation revival, the clans have them on the front lines. Unless I missed something in your comment.

[Mr Hunter]

They have the same designation (DRG) so my guess is the will add the grand dragon yes but as the DRG-5K variant of the dragon. All thought that 13 mil cb cost is quite intimidating...

Edited by B8hunter, 20 June 2015 - 03:52 AM.

[Nightshade24]

IraqiWalker, on 20 June 2015 - 03:41 AM, said:

Timberwolf is still clan only, and since we're in operation revival, the clans have them on the front lines. Unless I missed something in your comment.

Yep, but the Atlas II was still used by the clans in 3050, as well as in the front lines such as in 3052 in the battle of tukayiid.

I for some reason find this mech rather intriguing... as for a mech so prized and loved by the clans... there is no clan refit of it thus far... only late-era mixed tech stuff from the IS. Makes me wounder if it's another missing-link mech that will be added later on or the clans were not that much bothered with it due to all the lostech / high tech stuff ...

[Escef]

Nightshade24, on 20 June 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Atlas II AS7-D-H introduced in 2765
Atlas II AS7-D-H K introduced in 2833
Atlas II AS7 D-H2 introduced in 2780

Has same "AS7" designation as the standard atlas and majority of BT's history was reguarded as a group of Variants under the Atlas.

...

Care to correct me on those dates? Or continue to boast on how you memorized all these dates in your head and keep saying it's out of timeline...

Technical Readout 3075, page 184 clearly states, and I quote, "While many AS7-D Atlas pilots remained in the Inner Sphere, the surviving AS7-D-H Atlas II pilots chose to follow their Commanding General into exile."

There's your correction. Are you happy now?

Take being wrong with a little grace, fix yourself, and stop being wrong. Doubling down on being wrong does NOT help you.

[IraqiWalker]

B8hunter, on 20 June 2015 - 03:52 AM, said:

They have the same designation (DRG) so my guess is the will add the grand dragon yes but as the DRG-5K variant of the dragon. All thought that 13 mil cb cost is quite intimidating...

It's about average for a dragon. (Chassis+ XL 360 = 12.9 ish Million C-Bills, anyways.)

[Nightshade24]

Escef, on 20 June 2015 - 04:00 AM, said:

Technical Readout 3075, page 184 clearly states, and I quote, "While many AS7-D Atlas pilots remained in the Inner Sphere, the surviving AS7-D-H Atlas II pilots chose to follow their Commanding General into exile."

There's your correction. Are you happy now?

Take being wrong with a little grace, fix yourself, and stop being wrong. Doubling down on being wrong does NOT help you.

Fun fact: the clans are in this game.

If you haven't noticed the timberwolfs or couldron borns or anything...

And quote: "These 'Mechs are prized by the Clans when they were found. One such 'Mech was spotted in 3052 during the Battle of Tukayyid"