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[MrMadguy]

I agree to have CW in this game due to one single reason - all so called "Meta" players are playing there instead of making public queue unplayable. I'm about to refund all my recent $175 worth payments and quit this game forever, but instead - I'm constantly taking a break to calm myself down and then to return to this game and give it another chance.

I have been playing another game for entire week. Then I decided to play MWO a little bit - I tried to play a pair of matches on weekend and tried to play today. And guess what? Game is completely unplayable now. Stomps, 2 second TTKs, oneshots, stomps and stomps again, again and again, And I guess it's due to all "Meta" players flooding public queue, because of public queue only event.

Keep them away from public queue, PGI! Because unplayable game - is absolutely not the best way to convince me not to quit this game. This game brings only one emotion - anger... And I don't want to kill my brain cells via being angry due to stupid video game. This is not what I'm paying for, sorry.

Edited by MrMadguy, 09 June 2015 - 08:20 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

UMAD?

I loathe rmeta as much as anyone...but those results you are describing tend to describe bad situational awareness more than anything.

[Lightfoot]

It's not the Meta players, it's just that some players know to stay in a group and they almost always beat the teams that break up into smaller groups. Tell your teammates to form up into one group and see what happens.

Edited by Lightfoot, 09 June 2015 - 08:20 AM.

[Revis Volek]

So you lost some game and now its the Meta players fault?

I hope you know this weekend was the ANTI meta event....it was using all the old hero mechs.


I will agree the MM was **** this weekend i think because of all the carry matches it was handing out coupled with people poaching to get on top of the leaderboards.

Word of the wise, dont play during event weekend unless you plan on taking part in the event. I learned this many weeks ago and have been having a great time since. If a weekend event goes on i play PoE or War Thunder and just say "forget about it!" Honestly the derp get very strong on the event weekends and such, so much that i was at the exact same place as you are right not Saturday night....

Non of my unit plays much anymore so its just me carrying derps, if i take a fun mech myself i am guaranteed loss after loss to be handed to me.

Game was better about 5 months ago, either my ELO changed or the MM changed. Either way i agree it sucks....best way around the MM is to find 11 other guys you trust and know what they are doing. I thought i figured that part out but having 3 or 4 guys a night on from a 100+ pilot unit is pretty sad.

Hopefully PGI finds a way to make this game fun again....soon.

[MrMadguy]

I guess, it's due to MM being broken. I've noticed, that ELO drops with time, if you're not playing the game. Bad thing about this thing - is that players, who're playing other modes, are treated by MM as "not playing", i.e. their ELO drops below the ground level. And, therefore, when they are starting to flood public queue due to some reason - they're being grouped with casual players, like me, completely stomping them into the ground and mixing them with ****. Example: I haven't been playing this game for about a week. Usualy it results in several first matches after this break being pretty good. But not now. Now I have constant stomps only.

So, PGI. Keep your "Meta" players away from public queue or find a way to keep their ELO high enough to force them to be grouped with each other only - i.e. to keep them away from me.

Edited by MrMadguy, 09 June 2015 - 08:29 AM.

[Trolzylulzy]

The funny thing is that me and my unit are only marginally competitive, but we still stomp people (while using three urbies no less) just because we stick together.

My suggestion is to play with your unit, or failing that, find a unit to begin with.

[MerryIguana]

Standard case of carry harder. Nothing to see here folks.

[MrMadguy]

Let's play Russian roulette: if I won't survive in the match - I will refund all money, I can, and quit this game.

[InspectorG]

Its not Meta players.

ITS DAT PUG LIFE, YO!

MM tries to make each match a 50%/50% proposition.

Now...factor in the random LACK of teammwork in a teammwork based games and you get 2 groups of people fighting with the only viable strategy being to blob in the center of the map...if they can even do that. Sometimes your team just spreads and runs all over hell and you get picked off. Cant be fixed.


SIMPLE MATH FOR YOU:
The team who gets a 3-4 mech lead gets...more concentrated firepower versus a team with diminishing firepower. THATS why you get Pugstomps.

Dont think in terms of players, thing in terms of Alphas your team can output. Example: each mech has a 40 point alpha.

Start of match 12x40 vs 12x40 alphas worth of damage.

You team loses 3 scrubs, enemy loses none.

12x40 vs 9x40. 480damage vs 360damage. PLUS, your team provides FEWER choices for the enemy to shoot at meaning YOUR TEAM not only has less hitpoints...those hit points are distributed over FEWER targets.

If you cant see how this multiplies quickly...i ant help you.

So, match goes on,

11x40 vs 8x40...10x40 vs 6x40, 10x40 vs 3x40...yeah a stomp.

Dont like this proposition?
Join a Unit and Group drop or play CW...but the math is the same. The benefit is your team should in theory be better coordinated.


Wanna Solo drop and stay sane??? DONT WORRY ABOUT WINS. Worry about getting better.
U better = U moar carry = potentially moar wins.

Or...


OR...

F- DAT NOIZE AND ROLL LOCUST!!! Locust Master Race dont give a F***. We rulez da underhive we killz the scrubs we get one shot we dont give no F*** cuz my 20 tons killed your 100 tons you scrub-a-lub.
PRO-STEERING WHEEL MASTER GODS of PUGLANDIA!!!

(steering wheel emulator is not hax...PGI Said so!!!!)

[Kristov Kerensky]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

I agree to have CW in this game due to one single reason - all so called "Meta" players are playing there instead of making public queue unplayable. I'm about to refund all my recent $175 worth payments and quit this game forever, but instead - I'm constantly taking a break to calm myself down and then to return to this game and give it another chance.

I have been playing another game for entire week. Then I decided to play MWO a little bit - I tried to play a pair of matches on weekend and tried to play today. And guess what? Game is completely unplayable now. Stomps, 2 second TTKs, oneshots, stomps and stomps again, again and again, And I guess it's due to all "Meta" players flooding public queue, because of public queue only event.

Keep them away from public queue, PGI! Because unplayable game - is absolutely not the best way to convince me not to quit this game. This game brings only one emotion - anger... And I don't want to kill my brain cells via being angry due to stupid video game. This is not what I'm paying for, sorry.

Uh, hey dude, it was an event weekend for using HERO MECHS! You know, the NON-META Mechs, so uhm, maybe the fact that you suck is the problem and not the meta players who weren't the ones killing you? Just saying, ya know...

So why don't you get that refund and just go away now, ok? You don't like the game, you definitely live up to your nick, and threatening to fire on teammates..yeah, man, your posting history makes it clear, you should get your refund and go elsewhere.

And stay elsewhere.

Edited by Kristov Kerensky, 09 June 2015 - 08:53 AM.

[Leiska]

I think it's pretty hilarious that a guy comes to the forums to cry (aimed at PGI, of all things) about people playing efficient mech builds rather than useless, stock inspired hodepodges.

You really don't need to play top tier meta builds to do well in pug drops (the hero mechs aren't even meta). Just play smart, aim well and have an at least somewhat effective mech. If you put one of every weapon into your mech because you want to be a unique snowflake, expect to be a free kill.

Edited by Leiska, 09 June 2015 - 08:56 AM.

[Mystere]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

I guess, it's due to MM being broken. I've noticed, that ELO drops with time, if you're not playing the game. Bad thing about this thing - is that players, who're playing other modes, are treated by MM as "not playing", i.e. their ELO drops below the ground level. And, therefore, when they are starting to flood public queue due to some reason - they're being grouped with casual players, like me, completely stomping them into the ground and mixing them with ****. Example: I haven't been playing this game for about a week. Usualy it results in several first matches after this break being pretty good. But not now. Now I have constant stomps only.

So, PGI. Keep your "Meta" players away from public queue or find a way to keep their ELO high enough to force them to be grouped with each other only - i.e. to keep them away from me.

There are just so many falsehoods and misconceptions here.

[MrMadguy]

InspectorG, on 09 June 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Its not Meta players.

ITS DAT PUG LIFE, YO!

MM tries to make each match a 50%/50% proposition.

Now...factor in the random LACK of teammwork in a teammwork based games and you get 2 groups of people fighting with the only viable strategy being to blob in the center of the map...if they can even do that. Sometimes your team just spreads and runs all over hell and you get picked off. Cant be fixed.


SIMPLE MATH FOR YOU:
The team who gets a 3-4 mech lead gets...more concentrated firepower versus a team with diminishing firepower. THATS why you get Pugstomps.

Dont think in terms of players, thing in terms of Alphas your team can output. Example: each mech has a 40 point alpha.

Start of match 12x40 vs 12x40 alphas worth of damage.

You team loses 3 scrubs, enemy loses none.

12x40 vs 9x40. 480damage vs 360damage. PLUS, your team provides FEWER choices for the enemy to shoot at meaning YOUR TEAM not only has less hitpoints...those hit points are distributed over FEWER targets.

If you cant see how this multiplies quickly...i ant help you.

So, match goes on,

11x40 vs 8x40...10x40 vs 6x40, 10x40 vs 3x40...yeah a stomp.

Dont like this proposition?
Join a Unit and Group drop or play CW...but the math is the same. The benefit is your team should in theory be better coordinated.


Wanna Solo drop and stay sane??? DONT WORRY ABOUT WINS. Worry about getting better.
U better = U moar carry = potentially moar wins.

Or...


OR...

F- DAT NOIZE AND ROLL LOCUST!!! Locust Master Race dont give a F***. We rulez da underhive we killz the scrubs we get one shot we dont give no F*** cuz my 20 tons killed your 100 tons you scrub-a-lub.
PRO-STEERING WHEEL MASTER GODS of PUGLANDIA!!!

(steering wheel emulator is not hax...PGI Said so!!!!)

So it's all about RNG? But... There is a problem: the chance to get "slightly better team" - should be 50/50 too. There should be no stomp/lose streaks. So, why do I always end on "slightly worse" team? What have I done wrong? Paid not enough money? Haven't bought Wave 3? M? Tell me, why am I so special, that MM hates personally me?

Edited by MrMadguy, 09 June 2015 - 09:02 AM.

[DarthHias]

When the MM hates you take another weight class for a while.

Prior to the event I had a blast in my lights, but I didn´t even reach the Commando leaderbord. But in my Heavy Metal I was doing pretty well.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

It's interesting to me that it's mostly Steiners who are complaining in this thread.

Freeborns do as freeborns do.

[EightBitKnight]

could be your good games are getting you bumped up in elo? so it starts out easy but then you get put up into an elo of more equal players? makes a world of difference in how a match plays out.

[InspectorG]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

So it's all about RNG? But... There is a problem: the chance to get "slightly better team" - should be 50/50 too. There should be no stomp/lose streaks. So, why do I always end on "slightly worse" team? What have I done wrong? Paid not enough money? Haven't bought Wave 3? M? Tell me, why am I so special, that MM hates personally me?

You dont understand the math.

Its not about 50/50 teams with equal amounts of good players at the start.

Its about which team gets a 3 mech lead first.

You can be on a team with 3 really good players, rest bad players. Opposing team has 12 fair players.

You will more than likely lose...because 3 of you bad players died quickly and the 3 really good players cant make up the difference in the snowball effect unless the opposition messes up some how.

RANDOM!!! Yes it wont get better than random.

You have the wrong perspective.

You REALLY think you are the only one with BIG LOSING STREAKS???

50/50 proposition you can have long losing streaks...AND WINNING STREAKS.
Funny how few complain about those, eh?

Ive had losing streaks prolly 15 matches in a row. Thats just how this game runs. BUT SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!

Go read about probability theory and coin flips if it makes you feel better.
If they had the alternative: random selection...

people would just complain that its pure luck if you get all the good players and win.

MM may nor be all that great but would you prefer straight up random? 12 bads vs 12 comps? Match would be over in 1:30.

"No Stomp/lose streaks"
Sorry dude, thats the stuff of Fairy Tales...in about ANY online PvP. your expectations and understanding of probability are just wrong.

Dont worry about winning.
Worry about getting better. Do some group drops. Cw as well. Carry Harder...as they say.

Play a Locust!!! Seriously. Locust Piloting is so thrilling you dont care about wins/losses...you just care about survival.

[Wildstreak]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

I agree to have CW in this game due to one single reason - all so called "Meta" players are playing there instead of making public queue unplayable. I'm about to refund all my recent $175 worth payments and quit this game forever, but instead - I'm constantly taking a break to calm myself down and then to return to this game and give it another chance.

I have been playing another game for entire week. Then I decided to play MWO a little bit - I tried to play a pair of matches on weekend and tried to play today. And guess what? Game is completely unplayable now. Stomps, 2 second TTKs, oneshots, stomps and stomps again, again and again, And I guess it's due to all "Meta" players flooding public queue, because of public queue only event.

Keep them away from public queue, PGI! Because unplayable game - is absolutely not the best way to convince me not to quit this game. This game brings only one emotion - anger... And I don't want to kill my brain cells via being angry due to stupid video game. This is not what I'm paying for, sorry.

Your #1 problem was not seeing there was an event this weekend. Lotta Hero Mech drivers around competing for prizes.

DarthRevis, on 09 June 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

I hope you know this weekend was the ANTI meta event....it was using all the old hero mechs.

Actually no, despite the larger number of Hero Mech drivers, there were still the usual non-Heroes with uber builds especially these last couple of days.

Edited by Wildstreak, 09 June 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[Davegt27]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

I agree to have CW in this game due to one single reason - all so called "Meta" players are playing there instead of making public queue unplayable. I'm about to refund all my recent $175 worth payments and quit this game forever, but instead - I'm constantly taking a break to calm myself down and then to return to this game and give it another chance.

I have been playing another game for entire week. Then I decided to play MWO a little bit - I tried to play a pair of matches on weekend and tried to play today. And guess what? Game is completely unplayable now. Stomps, 2 second TTKs, oneshots, stomps and stomps again, again and again, And I guess it's due to all "Meta" players flooding public queue, because of public queue only event.

Keep them away from public queue, PGI! Because unplayable game - is absolutely not the best way to convince me not to quit this game. This game brings only one emotion - anger... And I don't want to kill my brain cells via being angry due to stupid video game. This is not what I'm paying for, sorry.

I feel your pain weekends sometimes make me feel like I am getting farmed

Another thing you might think about is your ELO is to high
One of my theory's about this game is
The game is constantly trying to push you into a higher ELO bracket (for lack of a better term)
When they have more player's in a bracket this gives the match maker a greater pool
Of players to choose from

As you loose and loose your ELO (for lack of a better term) goes down and you find
Yourself kicking butt again
This cycle also brings your stats in line for the balanced game meta (you did say you
Wanted balance right)
It only bothers/hurts real good and real bad players
The bottom line is you just have to play threw the low/bad periods

[JudgeDeathCZ]

What about to keep NOOBS away from my ELO???
I played 15k+ games and still getting first timers into my team???WTF PGI???