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[Mercules]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

Tell me, why am I so special, that MM hates personally me?

Because human beings tend to remember bad events more than good. We focus on all the times things went wrong and fail to acknowledge all the times things went right or at least okay. Scientists think it is a Darwinian thing where those that remembered something bad happened and avoided that situation lived more often than those that forgot about the unpleasantness and went right back to the lion's den.

[Grommen]

It's bad luck, PUG'ing it, the MM, your ELO and the mech your driving. Sometimes your life will suck.

We've all been their. Wile I don't think the MM and ELO are perfect. I don't think think that all mechs are created equal (a feat I don't think is possible in any case).

Over all I would say that the single player PUG matches are better.

#1 Serious players are doing the CW, meaning that a lot of the casual players are PUG'n it still.
#2 Teams are out so no more of that hive minded cause were on team speak stuff is happening.
#3 We have VOIP, and though not many are using it, that one second blip "behind us", "form up at" makes all the difference.
#4 The idiots are spread evenly. So yes I have to deal with the fools on my team, but it's also made up for because they are on the other team as well.

One thing I have noticed is that when you start doing well in games, all of a sudden the MM assumes that you can make up for the bad players. Sometimes you can. Not all the time and you get dumped on some really bad teams and have to take your lumps till your Elo (I'm guessing) goes back down. However if it drops too much, you get stuck in ELO hell with idiots all around. And that is when I quit for the day.

I've also noticed that playing during the Day (I'm eastern time) is a lot better than at night (say 6 PM till 11 PM). I used to think it was because this was when the good players were on and I'm not that good. Nope, this is when the idiots come out. Look at the chatter on the coms, and watch how they play. Weekends are different. It's just all idiots all the time.

The weekend events also impact the game play. They are not playing to win, they are playing the event. Course that made my weekend much more fun, because I happened to be grinding out the Centurion Hero that has an AC20. You almost never have a bad time with and AC20. After all, if you have a hammer, everything else is a nail.

[InspectorG]

Good read.

http://www.playwinni.../math/variance/

[Gagis]

I humbly suggest a solution vulgarly known as "getting good".

[Spleenslitta]

I've seen OP complain before...but he is still around.
I do not play using Meta builds and i even go off on my own rather than stay with the team.
Still i manage to do my fair share of damage to enemy. Why can't you do the same?

I do not think it's because you lack skill. I think your accuracy and maneuvering skills are probably fine.
What you lack is.....situational awareness.

[ArchAngelWC]

I have no idea what the meta is...nor do I want an idea...

I play the mechs I have that are fun and builds that I think are viable/fun...thus I am a surgeon in a stock Nova Prime lol
and my Direwolves are Jaguar builds (read I do a sequenced Alpha and you die)

[FupDup]

When you give people the objective of defeating their enemies, it's fairly common for those people to actually attempt to fulfill this objective. Why wouldn't they?

[TercieI]

Wow. Completely incoherent trolling gets page+ serious responses in <2 hours.

10/10 would mock you again.

Edited by Terciel1976, 09 June 2015 - 10:46 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Every tournament weekend is like this and because it also ran in group you can't really blame the tryhards. They were busy helping pad their buddies scores in group.

It was just the combination of seeing a lot of tournament aggression and their lack of team play for kills.

I blame the tryhards for a lot but not this.

[Bulletsponge0]

InspectorG, on 09 June 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Its not Meta players.

ITS DAT PUG LIFE, YO!

MM tries to make each match a 50%/50% proposition.

Now...factor in the random LACK of teammwork in a teammwork based games and you get 2 groups of people fighting with the only viable strategy being to blob in the center of the map...if they can even do that. Sometimes your team just spreads and runs all over hell and you get picked off. Cant be fixed.


SIMPLE MATH FOR YOU:
The team who gets a 3-4 mech lead gets...more concentrated firepower versus a team with diminishing firepower. THATS why you get Pugstomps.

Dont think in terms of players, thing in terms of Alphas your team can output. Example: each mech has a 40 point alpha.

Start of match 12x40 vs 12x40 alphas worth of damage.

You team loses 3 scrubs, enemy loses none.

12x40 vs 9x40. 480damage vs 360damage. PLUS, your team provides FEWER choices for the enemy to shoot at meaning YOUR TEAM not only has less hitpoints...those hit points are distributed over FEWER targets.

If you cant see how this multiplies quickly...i ant help you.

So, match goes on,

11x40 vs 8x40...10x40 vs 6x40, 10x40 vs 3x40...yeah a stomp.

Dont like this proposition?
Join a Unit and Group drop or play CW...but the math is the same. The benefit is your team should in theory be better coordinated.


Wanna Solo drop and stay sane??? DONT WORRY ABOUT WINS. Worry about getting better.
U better = U moar carry = potentially moar wins.

Or...


OR...

F- DAT NOIZE AND ROLL LOCUST!!! Locust Master Race dont give a F***. We rulez da underhive we killz the scrubs we get one shot we dont give no F*** cuz my 20 tons killed your 100 tons you scrub-a-lub.
PRO-STEERING WHEEL MASTER GODS of PUGLANDIA!!!

(steering wheel emulator is not hax...PGI Said so!!!!)

Greatest last paragraph of any post in any thread in any forum in the history of the internet. Well done G, made me actually laugh for real.

[Bulletsponge0]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

So it's all about RNG? But... There is a problem: the chance to get &quot;slightly better team&quot; - should be 50/50 too. There should be no stomp/lose streaks. So, why do I always end on &quot;slightly worse&quot; team? What have I done wrong? Paid not enough money? Haven't bought Wave 3? M? Tell me, why am I so special, that MM hates personally me?

Do you know what the single common denominator is on all those terrible team's you are a part of?

[InspectorG]

Bulletsponge0, on 09 June 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Greatest last paragraph of any post in any thread in any forum in the history of the internet. Well done G, made me actually laugh for real.

Mission Complete.

[Aresye]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

So it's all about RNG? But... There is a problem: the chance to get "slightly better team" - should be 50/50 too. There should be no stomp/lose streaks. So, why do I always end on "slightly worse" team? What have I done wrong? Paid not enough money? Haven't bought Wave 3? M? Tell me, why am I so special, that MM hates personally me?

You're probably doing something wrong.

I'm pretty much the exact type of player your OP was aimed at, but I run into losing streaks just like everyone else. I will eventually figure out that I'm leading the charge too often, relocating too often, or doing anything else too often that's slightly outside of my normal play, and that ends up being one of the primary factors for the loss streak.

If I end up with loss after loss against teams that appear fairly even, I take some time to think about how I played my previous matches, and most of the time I can figure out what I've been doing differently. Then I correct it, and more often than not everything goes back to normal.

Good players are constantly evaluating what they could be doing wrong, and they've had lots and lots of matches to figure everything out, so at the top tier you have players that very, very rarely make a mistake, and I'm not just talking about the group queue. Even in the solo queue, everything the top players do, from their loadout, to grid location, to positioning, etc. Everything they do is deliberate.

So you have a choice. You can continue on, evaluating your play style, and find ways to improve as a pilot. Or you can give up, ask for a refund, and go to another game where you'll run into the same problems, until you get fed up again and look for yet another game.

[Lyoto Machida]

MrMadguy, on 09 June 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

I guess, it's due to MM being broken. I've noticed, that ELO drops with time, if you're not playing the game. Bad thing about this thing - is that players, who're playing other modes, are treated by MM as "not playing", i.e. their ELO drops below the ground level. And, therefore, when they are starting to flood public queue due to some reason - they're being grouped with casual players, like me, completely stomping them into the ground and mixing them with ****. Example: I haven't been playing this game for about a week. Usualy it results in several first matches after this break being pretty good. But not now. Now I have constant stomps only.

So, PGI. Keep your "Meta" players away from public queue or find a way to keep their ELO high enough to force them to be grouped with each other only - i.e. to keep them away from me.

So basically you want to blame other players for being better than you?

[Nightmare1]

I like spitting the meta players on my non-meta blade and watching them weep tears of agony as I cast their convulsing carcasses aside.

Let them come!

...But seriously OP, it's not a problem of meta players being in the public queues as it is the MM not properly building the teams. Get over it; we're all feeling it, but most of us are sucking it up and dealing with it.

[InspectorG]

Because 20 tons can do a lot...when the other team is bads...

[Lugh]

There is one measure that matters, win or lose, did I do more damage, have more assists, and more kills than anyone else on my team?

No? Ok there is room for improvement. Yes. You did the best you could. Sadly everyone else let you down.

^^^This leads to happy ever improving gameplay.

[Tsuki Ookami vas Mugunghwa]

i completely fail to comprehend the point...

every time i buy a mech i think to myself: "hmm, what would be the best setup to kill things with?"
(you know, killing things? the type of action the whole game is about?)

and now OP comes and tells me i should be punished for this? wtf?


EDIT:
and also, as pointed out already, even if both teams had completely horrid and "counter-meta" setups, the team that does know how to deathball will still own the team which does not.

Edited by Tsuki Ookami vas Mugunghwa, 09 June 2015 - 12:58 PM.

[3xnihilo]

The answer to all of PUG life's problems is having 2-3 locusts fully kitted and ready to go. Die early? Exit match grab the next Locust and back to the fun

[LordBraxton]

Nobody plays CW anyway.


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