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[Mycrus]

Dimento Graven, on 09 June 2015 - 08:44 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm a lesbian on my father's side.

that's the spirit!

[Raggedyman]

Black Ivan, on 09 June 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

Report them so that they get banned again. Had some strange games during the weekend aswell.

Best thing would be that PGI creates a hardwired solution to this.

Agreed on reporting people but not sure what kind of "hardwired solution" would be possible that would remove all hacks. Certainly they can reduce the usefulness/ease of existing ones, but part of what's needed is for the community to accept that hacks are going to happen and that the people doing them are going to get busted for it eventually. Very far from ideal, but its the only approach that stops you getting stressed out by it.

[Wintersdark]

Fenrisulvyn, on 09 June 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

What this means is that the rest of us have to deal with cheaters until PGI catches back up. That's not acceptable.

What an ignorant thing to say.

Are you new to online gaming? Its a cat and mouse game, and the developer is always going to be playing catch up. Always. Its inevitable.

Not acceptable? It suck,s but that's just how it is. There's an endless legion of people working on new ways to cheat - usually, teenagers, kids in their 20's, people with nothing better to do with their time. PGI has, what, one engineer that can work on countering all that. And that'd probably come at the expense of time spent on things like HSR, hitreg, network optimizations, etc

[Dimento Graven]

Wintersdark, on 10 June 2015 - 10:33 AM, said:

...

Are you new to online gaming? Its a cat and mouse game, and the developer is always going to be playing catch up. Always. Its inevitable.

...

Yes, considering that well written hack tools probably utilize the same counter-detection methods that have been used by virus, malware, and Trojan writers for years doesn't make it any easier.

Heck just by setting up the hack program to launch under a new random executable name every time it's started would eliminate one method of detection, and that's easy to do.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 10 June 2015 - 10:40 AM.

[Triordinant]

Cheating issues have ended games in the past...

[Kristov Kerensky]

bad arcade kitty, on 09 June 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

i'm pretty sure any program which tries to mess with stuff like bios etc may have problems with antiviruses and the company which make it can even be 100% legally sued

Zeusus, on 09 June 2015 - 08:29 PM, said:

Then you should also be aware of the legal quagmire this would be, especially outside NA. Anything not a legal mess is spoofable.

Actually, it's totally legal even outside of NA, there's no legal issues here, and AV software isn't an issue either. It's a matter of will, that's it.

Once you've permbanned via HW that can't be spoofed, that player can't come back until they've replaced hardware physically, and you can get the IDs of ALL a system's hardware. PunkBuster does it IF you attempt to hack THEIR systems, and it works quite nicely. I used to be a member of a number of the hack selling sites, part of my job, and the stories of the guys making the hacks who got those HW bans for that, funny as hell. 1 guy spent over $10,000 in a single month ALONE to replace his hardware due to the bans he kept getting in that month. There's a reason they sell those hacks now kids, they started doing that to recoup their costs testing them out. They used to be free to whoever wanted them, not anymore.

It's legal, it's doable and it's being done every day, but it's rather harsh and costs customers, which means lost revenue, so the game devs end to avoid doing it.

After all, a hack user has already spent money, usually on both the game AND the hack software, so ban the account. They'll be back to the game, they'll spend more money, and probably get banned again for using that hack software. Wash, rinse, repeat...as long as they can come back with a brand new account, they'll keep doing it and spending money. So PGI isn't going to do it because they'd rather make the money.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Wintersdark: "What an ignorant thing to say."

Sigh. Please learn to read. Especially if you are going to use words like "ignorant"


"Are you new to online gaming?"

Nope. I've been playing since 1993, back when we altered hexcode to hack Master of Orion.


"Its a cat and mouse game, and the developer is always going to be playing catch up. Always. Its inevitable."

Yah, that's what I said. If you read more carefully, you'll see that I was talking about the 64 banned accounts. Banning accounts that are already willing to pay money to a hack site, and then letting them start fresh only means they'll be back doing the same thing all over again, with a new anti-detection patch. Likely within a month tops. Where is the disincentive to cheat? Its a slap on the wrist.

Accounts don't hack games, people hack games.

I don't expect the game to be rid of all cheaters, but getting rid of the ones that are caught is a start, and its an object lesson for those who haven't been caught yet. Just because we can't end cheating doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reduce it.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 10 June 2015 - 11:56 AM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

bad arcade kitty, on 09 June 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

oh, i feel sorry for you

it's a different thing though

albeit it's the same word 'cheat' used, cheating in relationships it's a kind of disloyalty i.e. a betrayal while cheating in a game it's just getting an unfair advantage over your enemies, it's completely another thing imo

Don't feel sorry for me. Instead feel happy that I caught her before I tied that knot.

It has a different meanings, but the same mental state of "I'm doing something I shouldn't be doing because it isn't fair for the other guy(s)/gal(s)."

Deathlike, on 09 June 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

I believe you're seriously on an island on that.

Besides, you'll NEVER be able to collect (well, unless there's a length of time of the marriage to consider, but you have the sucker's bet).

PGI's going to milk the cheaters for what they are worth..... so I don't see the originating bans as a deterrent.

Sometimes I wonder why some people are so naive to the reality of online gaming... it's not as if online gaming was a new thing.

On the contrary! The bet is that he catches her cheating and leaves her before the wedding. If they get married, the whole pot is mine (and it's at $140 for the moment).

[reign]

If people want to make a new account, Re purchase their packages, cheat, and get caught/banned again.

I am strangely ok with it. PGI makes a buck on their stupidity at this point. We should get a wall though of cheaters. So units would suffer for taking them in.

If on the other hand the person learned their lesson never cheats again, I'm ok with that as well. Sometimes they come out and speak about how the whole system works and we all learn something.

[Kristov Kerensky]

reign, on 10 June 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

If people want to make a new account, Re purchase their packages, cheat, and get caught/banned again.

I am strangely ok with it. PGI makes a buck on their stupidity at this point. We should get a wall though of cheaters. So units would suffer for taking them in.

If on the other hand the person learned their lesson never cheats again, I'm ok with that as well. Sometimes they come out and speak about how the whole system works and we all learn something.

Yeah, when one of those who got banned turns over their paid for hack to PGI, I'll maybe consider NOT punching them in the face if I ever encounter them in real life...not saying I won't do it, but I'll definitely pause for a second before I do as I consider it.

Until that point, I'm all for a hardware ban, not a HWID that is reliant upon the OS, but an actual hardware ban. Not going to happen though, so...when are we all going to meet up somewhere? Make sure to invite all of the banned who came back....

[reign]

Kristov Kerensky, on 10 June 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Yeah, when one of those who got banned turns over their paid for hack to PGI, I'll maybe consider NOT punching them in the face if I ever encounter them in real life...not saying I won't do it, but I'll definitely pause for a second before I do as I consider it.

Until that point, I'm all for a hardware ban, not a HWID that is reliant upon the OS, but an actual hardware ban. Not going to happen though, so...when are we all going to meet up somewhere? Make sure to invite all of the banned who came back....

[Appogee]

Burn them. With lassssers. ALLLLL the lasssers!

[Deathlike]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 10 June 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

On the contrary! The bet is that he catches her cheating and leaves her before the wedding. If they get married, the whole pot is mine (and it's at $140 for the moment).

That's a low bar...

"Is there anyone here who believes these two should not be wed?"

That's when you have the fireworks at the ready!

[Lyoto Machida]

Wildstreak, on 09 June 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

I would not be surprised if they are coming back. I had matches where I was getting shot with LRMs when
- I was behind cover from all enemies.
- I was not NARCed.
- they had no hidden spotters, I checked.

Gas Guzzler, on 09 June 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

Hackers wouldn't use lurms dude

No, but they might use UAVs though...

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Fenrisulvyn, on 09 June 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

What's the policy on seeing some of the 64 hackers back in matches?

I read one's blog where she says she's already back under a new name.

I heard another in VIOP comms a few days ago - sorry but after watching the match vid where she wallhacks banshees, its a very unmistakable voice.

Should we report names to PGI or just let the cheaters play?

Such is the problem of the free to play. Inability for a ban to really stick

Kristov Kerensky, on 10 June 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Yeah, when one of those who got banned turns over their paid for hack to PGI, I'll maybe consider NOT punching them in the face if I ever encounter them in real life...not saying I won't do it, but I'll definitely pause for a second before I do as I consider it.

Until that point, I'm all for a hardware ban, not a HWID that is reliant upon the OS, but an actual hardware ban. Not going to happen though, so...when are we all going to meet up somewhere? Make sure to invite all of the banned who came back....

How about a CC ban? Then at least they need to come up with a new CC to buy anything and/or if they put in the old one that was banned, their new account gets banned as well.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 10 June 2015 - 04:54 PM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

CC bans WERE once upon a time viable, but since I can go to the corner store and get a prepaid card 24/7 for under $10, it's not much of a ban now is it? Or you may have a CC like I do, I can call them and have another CC number inside 24 hours at no charge, the old one got compromised and I fear ID theft! Love modern security counter measures as a consumer! So that's totally worthless.

Outside of HW bans like I'm talking about, NOT HWID from the OS, they will be back and usually already have other accounts sitting in the wings ready to go. F2P, that's how it works, I knew a guy in another F2P who had 10 accounts sitting ready to go at all times, he was a griefer and was getting banned up to 5 times a DAY when he was hawking the hacks he used, which he'd get for free for doing that. It's a business folks, not teens and early twenties sitting at home bored anymore, they are efficient and streamlined. Still rude as hell, but it's a business venture these days, money is their driving force, not boredom or rage.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Kristov Kerensky, on 10 June 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

CC bans WERE once upon a time viable, but since I can go to the corner store and get a prepaid card 24/7 for under $10, it's not much of a ban now is it?

What WOULD work then? Because you can sidestep IP bans easy as hell, even easier than CC bans

[Romeo Deluxe]

Aren't these people psychopaths? You and I might think logically, but they sure as hell don't.

[Lily from animove]

darkkterror, on 09 June 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

If they continue to cheat they'll probably get banned again.

the doom of f2p's

hacking, banning, rerolling, repeat.

[Creovex]

I have been playing multiplayer games since they were invented, and for the life of me I still don't understand why anyone wants to cheat. I understand macroing...in games that require repetition such as crafting however that is the only "cheat" I ever understood. if you are not good at a game practice against better players and get better, it's more fun.

If a game frustrates you that much that you have to cheat, play a different game and keep your personal integrity.

Edited by Creovex, 11 June 2015 - 03:56 AM.