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[Dino Banino]

Two Questions:

1) When will IS factions be able to use Clan Mechs for CW and vice versa?

2) Will IS Mechs ever have the ability to equip Clan technology (weapons, heat sinks, etc), and if so, when? I'd really love C-ER Medium Lasers and C-LRMs for my Catapult =D

[Spleenslitta]

These questions are something the players cannot answer. The only ones that can answer them are the developers.

[Mr Hunter]

I will support this happening. Worthy of note technically in the time line the Inner Sphere already has a respectable omnimech, the Raptor http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor while it lacks any Clan tech I still want it.

[DONTOR]

As you can see in this image some is mechs do have Clan weaponry already... notice the Clan MGs.

Although they still weigh .5 tons not .25 so the is weapon technicians still have some work to do...

[dragnier1]

Who needs clan er laser when the medium laser on the Locust 3S can shoot just as far, generates less heat, has a shorter beam duration and and has a lower cooldown?

[reign]

I think we should replace all IS large lasers with Clan ER large lasers...

[DivineEvil]

It is unlikely to either of those changes to arrive in any percieved future, since it:
- Will erase the most significant difference between IS and Clan players as choosing separate approaches toward the game.
- Will reduce the objectivity and actual effect of IS/Clan balancing.
- Will make about a half of all weapons entirely useless relatively to their IS/Clan relatives.
- Will make the entire structure of Quirk system entirely broken.
- Will make the majority of Clan mechs abandoned for good.
- Will make Clan players handicapped as they wouldn't be able to use IS Lights anyway.

Edited by DivineEvil, 10 June 2015 - 09:24 AM.

[Innocent]

I would have no problem with IS using clan weapons with a few conditions...
1. IS using clan or clan using IS can only mount one technology type. If you mount clan erml then all other weapons would also have to be clan. If you wanted to put IS uac5 on a clan mech then all of your other weapons would need to be IS.
2. If IS mounts clan weapons then it would nullify all weapon quirks.
3. If you want the clan goodies then the engine would need to be locked in at the original stock rating. Clans using IS weapons would still have a locked engine.

[Sug]

Two Answers:

1) Never.

2) No.

[Bilbo]

Innocent, on 10 June 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

I would have no problem with IS using clan weapons with a few conditions...
1. IS using clan or clan using IS can only mount one technology type. If you mount clan erml then all other weapons would also have to be clan. If you wanted to put IS uac5 on a clan mech then all of your other weapons would need to be IS.
2. If IS mounts clan weapons then it would nullify all weapon quirks.
3. If you want the clan goodies then the engine would need to be locked in at the original stock rating. Clans using IS weapons would still have a locked engine.

So when I put one of those clan weapons on my Atlas and it locks the engine size, would it also give me that beautiful clan engine to go with it and vice versa.

[Void Angel]

Archangel Dino, on 10 June 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Two Questions:

1) When will IS factions be able to use Clan Mechs for CW and vice versa?

2) Will IS Mechs ever have the ability to equip Clan technology (weapons, heat sinks, etc), and if so, when? I'd really love C-ER Medium Lasers and C-LRMs for my Catapult =D

Probably not. The way that Clan 'mechs are balanced against Inner Sphere technology involves more than the way that the Clan weaponry interacts with the hard-locked engines and internal slots of Clan Omnimechs - it also has to do with the way that Clan and Inner Sphere capabilities intersect with each other. The Inner Sphere has an advantage close-in, and the Clans are much better from long range, as a rule. Swapping technologies would upset this relationship and would probably throw balance to the winds.

[IraqiWalker]

Archangel Dino, on 10 June 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Two Questions:

1) When will IS factions be able to use Clan Mechs for CW and vice versa?

2) Will IS Mechs ever have the ability to equip Clan technology (weapons, heat sinks, etc), and if so, when? I'd really love C-ER Medium Lasers and C-LRMs for my Catapult =D

Neither will ever happen. PGI wants to balance Clan Vs. IS, and they have mentioned before that they recognize mixtech for the mistake that it is. So I'm hoping it's still never going to happen.

[Durant Carlyle]

Spleenslitta, on 10 June 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

These questions are something the players cannot answer. The only ones that can answer them are the developers.

This.

And I hope they do the smart thing and answer "Never" to the first question and "No" to the first part of the second question, making the second part of the second question irrelevant.

[Sickboy78]

Let IS aligned pilots use Clan mechs in CW and Clan aligned pilots use IS mechs. I think the game will balance itself quickly. I also think, downside for PGS, fewer and fewer people will bother with IS mechs.

I want to stay liao so I pilot IS mechs. I have a handful of clan mechs, SCR and KFX but never pilot them. They aren't worth my time considering my alignment. Plus they are already all leveled. I also do not invest any c-bills in Clan mechs because of my alignment. I have 65 total mechs, only 6 of which are clan. That would certainly change if it was a free for all of what we could bring into community warfare. The KFX is not a great mech, but god damn it the stormcrow is better than anything I have in a medium on the IS side. It is fast like a Cicada and can hold all the weaponry of a IS heavy. One of my SCR has the same exact build as one of my Grasshoppers. Difference? The grasshopper is slower but has ams. The storm crow is far more maneuverable. The grasshopper also happens to be a heavy.

Right now, and for the last several months the clans territory has been spreading like wildfire except the Free Ras Republic because it is enclosed all sides by other clans...hmmm. I wouldn't be the one to draw conclusions but this alone should certainly warrant some looking into by PGI.

Let IS aligned pilots use Clan mechs in CW and Clan aligned pilots use IS mechs. I think the game will balance itself quickly. I also think, downside for PGS, fewer and fewer people will bother with IS mechs.

I want to stay liao so I pilot IS mechs. I have a handful of clan mechs, SCR and KFX but never pilot them. They aren't worth my time considering my alignment. Plus they are already all leveled. I also do not invest any c-bills in Clan mechs because of my alignment. I have 65 total mechs, only 6 of which are clan. That would certainly change if it was a free for all of what we could bring into community warfare. The KFX is not a great mech, but god damn it the stormcrow is better than anything I have in a medium on the IS side. It is fast like a Cicada and can hold all the weaponry of a IS heavy. One of my SCR has the same exact build as one of my Grasshoppers. Difference? The grasshopper is slower but has ams. The storm crow is far more maneuverable. The grasshopper also happens to be a heavy.

Right now, and for the last several months the clans territory has been spreading like wildfire except the Free Ras Republic because it is enclosed all sides by other clans...hmmm. I wouldn't be the one to draw conclusions but this alone should certainly warrant some looking into by PGI.

[Todo Sandybanks]

And ER weapons and XL engines and DBHS are actually Clan tech so for all this time we have had some clan tech. :3
I don't support the OP wanting any more clan tech for IS until the real clanners get some upgrades again.

[Koniving]

PGI has stated that both sides will have Battlemechs (the Clan package involving Highlander II-C, etc. are battlemechs) and Omnimechs (The IS Omnimechs such as the Raptor have yet to be announced but will come).

Cross technology, many times, has been stated as "not going to happen." It would rob each side of what is unique.

[Koniving]

Todo Ringman, on 22 August 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

And ER weapons and XL engines and DBHS are actually Clan tech so for all this time we have had some clan tech. :3

I don't support the OP wanting any more clan tech for IS until the real clanners get some upgrades again.

ER, XL, DBHS are native techs for the Clans; it's true. Far as I can tell they don't use standard engines or SHS. However the Clans were natively Star League Defense Force, which was natively Inner Sphere. On Kerensky's way out, he said 'screw you' (not literally) as he had crews sabotage and destroy many tech production facilities and research stations.

Some of the main differences between IS tech and Clan tech, is the Clans rarely wiped technology out of existence and kept evolving it. The IS on the other hand, pushed through thousands of brushfire wars and at least four massive Succession Wars involving thousands of planets and vast resources, with campaigns set about to wipe out individual technological advances that IS faction had. For example ECM was initially a Liao-only feature. Autocannons were a favorite of Davions not just because they like their dakka, but because the materials for missiles are really slim pickings, and parts for lasers aren't all that common either. NARC was such an incredible threat it was wiped out in (if I'm not mistaken) 81 years. Only to have backups of its technological blueprints and information rediscovered in somewhere around 3028 to 3035.

Most IS mechs...

Are centuries old. Constantly fixed up and reused. Guy dies? Pfft, give it to another guy. Privately owned? Well the son or daughter, brother or sister will take it up.

But on XL engines were not a lost technology.
Developed by Terran Hegemony scientists, these power plants first saw use by their armed forces in 2579. By the time Kerensky left in 2784, they were already widely deployed; the subsequent chaos of the Succession Wars caused the destruction of the last XL engine manufacturing plants by 2865. The technology wouldn't resurface in the Inner Sphere until 3035, when it was rediscovered by the Lyran Commonwealth.

However, XL engines were not improved upon by the IS, there was no time, rarely were they used (short of the Mariks, who never suffered much in the succession wars due to not participating)... and when used there wasn't any scientists available to try and go "Hey, what if we made this thing better." Instead ideas were on "How could I make more money from this thing..."

Clans improved it, along with many other things... due in part to better access to materials. Rich new worlds. Genetically engineered minds. What else would you expect?

Double heatsinks were not new, either. It was a feature of many older battlemechs. Knowledge of how to make it, well, that went down under for a long time. Corporate secrets, travel times of faster than light speeds taking weeks to get from planet to planet, campaigns to capture or destroy it.... Not terribly surprising. Before long, no one will know how to make 'film' or develop a photograph the old fashion way.

History of BT (leading up to 3055). Kerensky's "Exodus" and "Second Exodus" are here. The Exodus is where the Inner Sphere is set pretty far back technologically.
(Inner Sphere)
(Clans)

Edited by Koniving, 23 August 2015 - 10:42 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Archangel Dino, on 10 June 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

I'd really love C-ER Medium Lasers

understandably

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and C-LRMs for my Catapult =D

but they are worse than sphere ones

[IraqiWalker]

Koniving, on 22 August 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

ER, XL, DBHS are native techs for the Clans; it's true. Far as I can tell they don't use standard engines or SHS.

True for the overwhelming majority, but you're forgetting about the Kingfisher, 90 ton omni assault mech, with a STD engine. There are a few other omnis I think that run with STD engines.

[ApolloKaras]

IraqiWalker, on 22 August 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

True for the overwhelming majority, but you're forgetting about the Kingfisher, 90 ton omni assault mech, with a STD engine. There are a few other omnis I think that run with STD engines.

A lot of the IIC versions too, Locust (3085), Griffin (3085), Shadowhawk (3085), Marauder (3085), Phoenix Hawk (3085), Guillotine (3060) , Rifleman (I think I can't find the book lol)