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[KaffeeKup]

So given that the CB is coming on the 16, does anyone know what its tonnage is going to be like.

Would it be possaible to mount a gauss rifle and 2 erppcs on the torsos for max hill humping or will the mech not have enough tonnage?

Also what would your preferred builds be?

[bad arcade kitty]

stock versions have 30 tons of podspace

[KaffeeKup]

bad arcade kitty, on 12 June 2015 - 02:34 AM, said:

stock versions have 30 tons of podspace

With armor? or without?

[Apocryph0n]

Spitfiree, on 12 June 2015 - 02:35 AM, said:

With armor? or without?

@Full Armor you are looking at ~28t of podspace. This question was answered approximately 200 times already.

[KaffeeKup]

Apocryph0n, on 12 June 2015 - 02:38 AM, said:

@Full Armor you are looking at ~28t of podspace. This question was answered approximately 200 times already.

I havent been on the forums much:(

[TexAce]

Damn, 28tons on a 65 ton mech. That is a lot room for weapons and heatsinks, considering the low weight of clan weapons....

powercreep goes on.

I hope it has terrible moving arcs, speeds and hitboxes otherwise this will be too OP. its just positive on all aspects till now, I hope a negative point will show itself when it arrives.

Edited by TexAss, 12 June 2015 - 02:44 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

It's hardpoints and pod space are similar to Timberwolf's so you can just put TBR-builds on your EBJ except the missiles+lasers builds.

EBJ also has only 3 instead of 5 DHS and gain one ton of extra pod space compared to TBR for your ballistic builds.

[LordBraxton]

TexAss, on 12 June 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

Damn, 28tons on a 65 ton mech. That is a lot room for weapons and heatsinks, considering the low weight of clan weapons....

powercreep goes on.

I hope it has terrible moving arcs, speeds and hitboxes otherwise this will be too OP. its just positive on all aspects till now, I hope a negative point will show itself when it arrives.

This is where I'm at.

65 ton min-maxxed omni that's shorter than a scrow...

might have to spend all my monies

[KaffeeKup]

TexAss, on 12 June 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

Damn, 28tons on a 65 ton mech. That is a lot room for weapons and heatsinks, considering the low weight of clan weapons....

powercreep goes on.

I hope it has terrible moving arcs, speeds and hitboxes otherwise this will be too OP. its just positive on all aspects till now, I hope a negative point will show itself when it arrives.

For a drop deck you can do. (next month)

3xCauldron
1x Shadow Cat (for ecm)

Or
2x Cauldron
1xTimber
1xArtic.

[Hit the Deck]

Spitfiree, on 12 June 2015 - 02:47 AM, said:

For a drop deck you can do. (next month)

3xCauldron
1x Shadow Cat (for ecm)

Or
2x Cauldron
1xTimber
1xArtic.

And Clanners can just easily swap EBJ with HBR easily when they want more ECM cover without losing too much firepower. It's just very convenient for them (us when I play Clan...).

[KaffeeKup]

Hit the Deck, on 12 June 2015 - 02:50 AM, said:

And Clanners can just easily swap EBJ with HBR easily when they want more ECM cover without losing too much firepower. It's just very convenient for them (us when I play Clan...).

Yeah, it looks like IS might need a tonnage raise again.

[Widowmaker1981]

Spitfiree, on 12 June 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

So given that the CB is coming on the 16, does anyone know what its tonnage is going to be like.

Would it be possaible to mount a gauss rifle and 2 erppcs on the torsos for max hill humping or will the mech not have enough tonnage?

Also what would your preferred builds be?

Yes. You can do Gauss +30 ammo in RT, which has 9 free slots, and 2xERPPC + 2xDHS in the LT which has 8 free slots. Thats a total of 29 tons which is very easily doable. It wont have any velocity quirks for PPCs though, and with only 15DHS total will be too hot. Id run 2xLPL+1xERML+TC1+DHS in the LT instead (assuming the ERML is needed to push the LPLs to a higher mount)

[bad arcade kitty]

the first viable clan dual gauss

[Wintersdark]

bad arcade kitty, on 12 June 2015 - 03:08 AM, said:

the first viable clan dual gauss

huh? Wtf?

Dire wolves are very viable dual gauss. Warhawks can, but its a waste (all those dhs).

The timberwolf and Cauldron Born have basically the same pod space. 28ish tons, so both are equally capable of it. Though the CB has better hardpoint locations, granted.

[bad arcade kitty]

Wintersdark, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 AM, said:

huh? Wtf?

Dire wolves are very viable dual gauss. Warhawks can, but its a waste (all those dhs).

The timberwolf and Cauldron Born have basically the same pod space. 28ish tons, so both are equally capable of it. Though the CB has better hardpoint locations, granted.

well, dire wolves are in their own league, dual gauss timber is meh comparing to something like jager

[Wintersdark]

TexAss, on 12 June 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

Damn, 28tons on a 65 ton mech. That is a lot room for weapons and heatsinks, considering the low weight of clan weapons....

powercreep goes on.

I hope it has terrible moving arcs, speeds and hitboxes otherwise this will be too OP. its just positive on all aspects till now, I hope a negative point will show itself when it arrives.

How do you figure? My Jags have way more payload space. Way more. Particular considering ballistics, the tonnage difference is very small between clan and is;add ammo and its trivial. Way less than the available tonnage difference.

(Before anyone goes off on the tired clan vs. IS who is OP debate, I'm not saying anything that way here - I understand the clan mechs have sturdier clan xl's etc - I am merely pointing out that even given clan weapon tonnage, 28t on a 65t mech is nothing special.

bad arcade kitty, on 12 June 2015 - 03:18 AM, said:

well, dire wolves are in their own league, dual gauss timber is meh comparing to something like jager

Dual gauss timber isnthe same as Dual gauss CB, except the shoulder mount.

Timberwolves and CB have the same available tonnage.

[Widowmaker1981]

Wintersdark, on 12 June 2015 - 03:21 AM, said:

Dual gauss timber isnthe same as Dual gauss CB, except the shoulder mount.

Timberwolves and CB have the same available tonnage.

No, its not. Timber at full armour has 27.5 tons free, Ebon Jaguar has 28.5 tons free, which is an extra ton of ammo.

Technically the Timber has 1 more ton than the Jag because it comes with 15 DHS instead of 13, but twin gauss builds do not need heatsinks.

My initial 4 builds for the Cauldron Born, i think:

2xUAC10 + 3xERML
3xUAC5 + 3xERML
2xGauss
2xLPL + ERML + Gauss

I think missile based builds are better on the Timber due to better hardpoint convergence and backup weapon options, Ballistic builds are better on the Ebon Jag due to more tonnage and better hardpoint locations and Laser builds are slightly better on the Ebon Jag due to the giga duration nerfs on the Timber

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 12 June 2015 - 03:53 AM.

[El Bandito]

Wintersdark, on 12 June 2015 - 03:21 AM, said:

How do you figure? My Jags have way more payload space. Way more. Particular considering ballistics, the tonnage difference is very small between clan and is;add ammo and its trivial. Way less than the available tonnage difference.

(Before anyone goes off on the tired clan vs. IS who is OP debate, I'm not saying anything that way here - I understand the clan mechs have sturdier clan xl's etc - I am merely pointing out that even given clan weapon tonnage, 28t on a 65t mech is nothing special.

That's cause you forgot that each Clan Gauss is THREE tons lighter than IS Gauss. Try to run that Dual Gauss Jager with 325 XL, like the Black Jag; you won't get more than a ton of ammo before stripping the armor.

The IS Gauss really needs to be balanced with the much lighter Clan Gauss. More HP, or less chance to explode, at the least.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 June 2015 - 04:04 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

El Bandito, on 12 June 2015 - 03:55 AM, said:

The IS Gauss really needs to be balanced with Clan Gauss.

Then the clan construction rules would need to be balanced with the IS ones. Clan mechs have less tonnage than IS mechs, because, taking this case as an example, you dont need a 325XL and 3 DHS, a 300XL is still 83kph which is plenty fast enough.

If any clan weapon system needs balancing work vs IS id say its SRMs, personally. 50% weight reduction is a lot more than the 20% on the Gauss.

edit: though adding more health to the IS gauss would be fine.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 12 June 2015 - 04:10 AM.

[Templar Dane]

El Bandito, on 12 June 2015 - 03:55 AM, said:

That's cause you forgot that each Clan Gauss is THREE tons lighter than IS Gauss. Try to run that Dual Gauss Jager with 325 XL, like the Black Jag; you won't get more than a ton of ammo before stripping the armor.

The IS Gauss really needs to be balanced with Clan Gauss.

CB can't switch out it's engine or remove the fixed heat sinks.

Jager can fit a smaller engine.

CB is faster
CB can do asymmetrical and shield with the left


Jager is better at hillhumping
Jager has quirks