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[Hyperlethal]

simple question, i upgraded my engine to XL and i see a standard engine of the same size in my inventory, are al these items completely independant from items eqiped to my mechs, or will selling them effect my mechs EG if i sell the std engine will my spiders XL engine dissapere

[Bilbo]

You can safely sell it if you like.

[process]

Standard and XL engines are separate things. When you purchased the XL engine, you paid full price for it; there's no such thing as an upgrade cost for engines as much as the new mechlab might imply.

So, you can sell the standard engine without losing the XL. Just keep in mind that items are sold for a fraction of the cost to buy them, so unless you really need the cbills, it can be beneficial to save engines for future mechs.

Edited by process, 12 June 2015 - 01:05 PM.

[Hyperlethal]

TY guys big help

[Koniving]

Hyperlethal, on 12 June 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

simple question, i upgraded my engine to XL and i see a standard engine of the same size in my inventory, are al these items completely independant from items eqiped to my mechs, or will selling them effect my mechs EG if i sell the std engine will my spiders XL engine dissapere

You can safely sell your sexually transmitted diseased engine.

But, I think you should safely store that to the side for now, you never know when you might need it for a transplant into a mech more suited for STD-ridden engines. Er, standard engines. Yeah.

(Girlfriend thought it would be funny.)

[Sonny Black]

Hyperlethal, on 12 June 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

simple question, i upgraded my engine to XL and i see a standard engine of the same size in my inventory, are al these items completely independant from items eqiped to my mechs, or will selling them effect my mechs EG if i sell the std engine will my spiders XL engine dissapere

Sell if you need the money, otherwise, you never know when you'll need or want it.

[Koniving]

To expand on what I was saying, for example you may prefer an XL engine of the 280 rating (just an example) on your mech... but later on you might get say, a Stalker or Thunderbolt.

On these I prefer a large standard engine, such as 280 to 310. This is because the side torsos are 1) very non-friendly to XL engines (large, easy to hit side torsos), and 2) it has large and easy to hit side torsos (which is in fact a very, very good thing if you want a mech that can take LOTS of abuse; there's a significant damage reduction to hits that impact against a destroyed side torso when it transfers to the next body part. Somewhere in the 45 to 55% [it changed fairly recently], so that hit from an AC/20 might actually just deal 10 damage. Even better if it has LARGE remnant arm hitboxes + side torso hitboxes, that AC/20 round that might have hit the residual metal of your shoulder actuator might only have done 5 damage once it reaches your center torso instead of 20.)

Food for thought.

My stalker for example after taking enough abuse to kill two Atlases by removing limbs [or straight up annihilate an Atlas piece by piece if you could destroy all 614 AP and almost all 306 HP].

Edited by Koniving, 12 June 2015 - 02:39 PM.

[Flak Kannon]

No harm will come if you sell it.

But I wouldn't sell an engine.

You never know when or why you may want that engine. If money is tight... Just Play More. Earn more C-bills.

You only get, perhaps 10% of its value if you sell. Not worth it. You don't have inventory limitations, so hold onto everything. I haven't ever even sold any of the single heat sinks I have. I own about 150 mechs.. so I have hundreds or thousands of single heat sinks. No need t sell..

I sold my first engine, from a Cataphract 4x. I never sold another. I think I know have like 20 STD300 ...

[Rogue Jedi]

I sell Standard engines if I am confidant I will never want to use it, e.g. when I have multiples of a standard engine rated below 250 ^{(250 or higher get the full 10 true Double Heat Sinks inside the engine, removable engine heatsinks and out of engine heatsknks only dissipate 1.4 times as much heat as single heat sinks, so it is generally worthwhile using 250+ engines)}, or if I get multiples of any of the less useful engine sizes and need the cbills.

Selling an XL engine on the other hand is a major decision, I would advise against it unless you are certain you will never need it, you only get about half price back when you sell an engine, and with XL engines costing 3-6 million that is not something you want to sell then buy back, at full price, later.

[Bilbo]

I don't generally keep standard engine of any size unless they are a multiple of 25 after 250 or actually installed on a mech. He's selling the engine from a Spider. How often does one use a standard engine that small unless it came on the mech to begin with.

Edited by Bilbo, 12 June 2015 - 03:25 PM.

[dragnier1]

Bilbo, on 12 June 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

I don't generally keep standard engine of any size unless they are a multiple of 25 after 250 or actually installed on a mech. He's selling the engine from a Spider. How often does one use a standard engine that small unless it came on the mech to begin with.

You have a point there, though i would keep one engine just in case...you never know if you might need it one day

[Nightshade24]

selll standard engines that's a rating of 360+ as these are limited to a few mechs and take up so much weight (especially Standard 400) while engines under 200 would be preferably for a light mech however XL is usually best way to go. only light that regularly uses standards is the urbanmech which is the Standard 60 WHICH is so cheap you can probably buy 4 engines in 1 good game.

[Vxheous]

Depending on the Std engine, you can usually safely sell it. There are a few that you might want to hang onto (like a std 260, or std 300), because some other mechs may use them, which saves you having to buy those engines later.

[Tim East]

Hoard everything so you can try insane troll builds at a later date. That moment when you lose a ST and don't die... Many people get confused and leave themselves open.

[Alardus]

process, on 12 June 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

Standard and XL engines are separate things. When you purchased the XL engine, you paid full price for it; there's no such thing as an upgrade cost for engines as much as the new mechlab might imply.

So, you can sell the standard engine without losing the XL. Just keep in mind that items are sold for a fraction of the cost to buy them, so unless you really need the cbills, it can be beneficial to save engines for future mechs.

There is a toggle to go from standard to XL which could make it seem like you're upgrading the engine rather than buying an XL and replacing the standard thats on board.

[Jayce Haebdun]

Flak Kannon, on 12 June 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

No harm will come if you sell it.

But I wouldn't sell an engine.

You never know when or why you may want that engine. If money is tight... Just Play More. Earn more C-bills.

You only get, perhaps 10% of its value if you sell. Not worth it. You don't have inventory limitations, so hold onto everything. I haven't ever even sold any of the single heat sinks I have. I own about 150 mechs.. so I have hundreds or thousands of single heat sinks. No need t sell..

I sold my first engine, from a Cataphract 4x. I never sold another. I think I know have like 20 STD300 ...

You get 50% of the cost of an engine. And when I got the Resistance package, I immediately sold all three of my 140STD that my Panthers had, with no regrets. WTF do I want a 140STD for? I don't even like fitting anything smaller than a 250 since I'll have to add HSs to get to 10 anyway.

[JC Daxion]

personally, i sell every STD engine under 245 and lower.. there isn't a single mech build i use that would ever run one.. I've seen a couple builds in mediums with people using a 200, or 225, but to me it is never worth it.. If i wanted to play a mech that went that speed, i would just move up to a heavy or assault.

anything bigger it isn't worth it IMO unless you end up with a bunch. I sold a few STD260's cause i had many, but typically i just save um. Other things you can sell, are standard heat sinks, and even weapons, if you end up with more than 5.. Medium lasers is another one you tend to rack up tons of. Non-artemis SRM and LRM's can be sold as well, like SRM6's, or LRM 15's or 20's.. very rarely will you use either with out. A few of my lights i run non Artemis launchers, so keep a couple just in case.. But my rule for most weapon systems is keep 5.. (that is if all your mechs have full weapon loadouts.

XL's never sell IMO.. I sold a XL-210 way back.. i then got into commando's and had to rebuy the dang thing!

Edited by JC Daxion, 01 August 2015 - 03:21 PM.

[Unnatural Growth]

Personal preferences, but I wouldn't sell any STD engines unless I had several spares. I used to sell anything smaller than an STD200. You'd be surprised how effective a Hunchback can be with it's stock STD200, especially after it got those movement buffs last year. But now that I'm playing around with Urbie builds, I'm even starting to play with the small STD and XL engines. I'd take one of those Panther engines to play with Urbie builds.

You just never know when a crazy idea will hit you, and you "just want to try this". If you have a few of each engine range on hand, you can pop something weird together for free and see if you like it or not.

I would never sell them for the money, because you're getting stone cold ripped off on the resale value. I'd only sell them if I had a boatload of them, and I knew I'd never need that many.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Never sell any engine you only have 1 of. Period. If you need it later, then you will be wasting money. Only two ways you will have "enough" C-bills: A: you buy MC mechs thus you earn C-bills while "leveling" them. B: You play so long you own more mechs than you can count *cough*Koniving*cough* and thus rarely need to buy anything.

I go by the Rule of Threes. Generally speaking you will need 3 mechs to level up a new chassis. So keep enough of everything to equip three mechs similarly. It doesn't happen often, but with larger mechs you often carry multiple weapon systems or can jam in a couple of medium lasers or shave 8 pts of armor off the legs and cram in a couple of MGs for fun.

PS: Listen to Koniving. He really is one of the main gurus around here.