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[Rampancy]

Grisbane, on 12 June 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

just because you you refuse to accept the truth doesn't mean the truth doesn't exist. yes, you may be able to play well in an awesome, but you are still detrimenting your team by denying them a mech that can do the job better. you can play that awesome well, but you could do the same job 10x better in a stalker.. which mean you are purposely not putting forth your best effort to win. some can see it as griefing.. and it some games you can be banned for it. lucky for you MWO isn't one of those games. the most competitive players tend to do anything they can to win and if their stats were public you would instantly know who those players are.

Awesomes and Stalkers are vastly different mechs. Not even remotely similar. Awesomes have good speed and torso twist range/speed, good structure buffs, a shield arm/side, and excellent offensive quirks. 9M has good zombie capabilities when run with a STD engine. They do, however, suffer due to the wideness of the body and the lack of high weapon mounts. Stalkers are slow but pack good firepower with high mount points. Hill-humping champions. Lack of twisting ability and damage sponge STs make them fairly easy to disarm in a brawl, though.

Banshee is the only IS assault I would consider outright better than the AWS, due to its fantastic shielding ability and phenomenal firepower. There is nothing outside of being an LRM boat that an AWS can do that a Banshee can't do better. It is, however, 15 tons heavier, which is a big consideration for CW. Its height and easy-to-hit head (CT hitbox) are liabilities as well.

Edited by RampancyTW, 12 June 2015 - 10:38 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

FlipOver, on 12 June 2015 - 03:19 PM, said:

Less than 1 year into the game, makes sense...

One mech for you: Victor.

bwahaha you can make any mech work except the victor; that's just asking to be annihilated, but honestly it wasn't good even when it was "good"

i'd rather be inside an urbanmech

[Whatzituyah]

While I understand why they are quirking mechs if I am skimming this right its just going to lead to more balancing issues with the mechs. I don't know the right way to approach balancing mechs but the way they do it does not feel right to me.

Mazzyplz, on 12 June 2015 - 10:41 PM, said:

i'd rather be inside an urbanmech

The way I built them Urbanmechs are not that bad its just the tonnage isnt very good for the balistics it carries and is quirked for like the AC 20 quirk thats not going to help it with the tonnage it has.

Btw in my honest opinion I know this isnt the right thread for this but more hardpoints does not always mean better for any mech unless it has only 2 hardpoints on one side or something.

Edited by Whatzituyah, 12 June 2015 - 10:49 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

Grisbane, on 12 June 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

just because you you refuse to accept the truth doesn't mean the truth doesn't exist. yes, you may be able to play well in an awesome, but you are still detrimenting your team by denying them a mech that can do the job better. you can play that awesome well, but you could do the same job 10x better in a stalker.. which mean you are purposely not putting forth your best effort to win. some can see it as griefing.. and it some games you can be banned for it. lucky for you MWO isn't one of those games. the most competitive players tend to do anything they can to win and if their stats were public you would instantly know who those players are.

that's total garbage, the awesome suits my playstyle, i wouldn't do better in a stalker or a banshee - those are slower tankier mechs - the awesome has a very very sharp learning curve, but once its quirkiness becomes second nature to the pilot, putting them in a stalker will not be 10x better "because".
it's just that the stalker is more user friendly at the beginning - like how non tech people prefer an apple OS

Whatzituyah, on 12 June 2015 - 10:46 PM, said:

The way I built them Urbanmechs are not that bad its just the tonnage isnt very good for the balistics it carries and is quirked for like the AC 20 quirk thats not going to help it with the tonnage it has.

ya i'd agree they did a pretty good job with it; but it is a surprising statement nonetheless and true - that i would rather have the smaller mech that is the butt of many jokes in lore

good things can be said of all chassis and i have seen pilots do well in all of them, 900dmg quickdraw i saw recently someone very good with it packing 4 large lasers.

there is one chassis that is a bit weaker than the rest true and that is the trebuchet but i am sure you can make it work like they did when they were released; they haven't been nerfed. the battlefield changed but if you can make the jumping lurmboat work it is very very cool and can be effective, but it's hard.

there is only one chassis that is truly bad and it's the victor; it cannot twist and it relied too much on jumpjets which ended up backfiring on it.

Edited by Mazzyplz, 12 June 2015 - 11:06 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

ok it literally took 0 seconds for me to be proven wrong; i had a feeling someone would make it work.
playstyles! i guess the victor does suit somebody's playstyle, even if those people are about 10

[DaZur]

The only mech that is truly useless is the mech driven by a pilot who knows nothing about piloting that mech...

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Possibly some mechs are really bad, but some are just not noob friendly.
Ultimately is not that every single mek needs to be equal. Some are just for fun, see Urbie. Is not that in BT TT all meks are equal either, SHD-2D by all means is uber trash, probably is even worst then Urbie.
Like in Blood Bowl, you got teams that are designed to be additionally challenging to coach and fun, Vamps or Goblins.

[STEF_]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.


I don't do lights though... just not my play style.

That's a pity.

I was going to say the 5V....

[Jaeger Gonzo]

in 5V I got one of better stats around my mechs, only 17 games thought SPIDER SDR-5V 17 12 5 2.40 25 6 4.17 5,336 26,040 02:09:30

[Joseph Mallan]

Mister D, on 12 June 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

If you refuse to believe that there are mechs that do genuinely suck and are a determent to the team rather than an asset, that is just pure ignorance.

Some of the mediocre mechs can be lethal in the right hands, but for the effort involved to make them perform at a level to justify their use is moot when there are alot more and alot better alternatives that can do it better, faster at the same or lighter tonnage.

So you are saying that if you are actually good at this, you can drive anything? If not... complain till its easier to use anything..

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 June 2015 - 02:33 AM.

[Yosharian]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

I keep hearing the line this mech is useless now cause of no quirks. Or my blank is sitting in the back of my mechbay till it's good again. REAL mechwarrior pilots can pilot anything at any time. Don't need some stupid quirks in order for them to be good. Or some other reason like guass is nerfed so this mech is useless now... I have to say these people are the newbs. It's not the ride that matters it's how you play it. Any mech can be good with the proper config for your play style. Laser Vomit, ac vomit, lrm vomit blah blah blah blah. stfu! Half these guys who ***** probably don't even use the R button.

If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.

This was mostly brought on by some people talking about the dragon how it was ****... then there is some version that has quirks and gives it 4 free ac5's and everyone starts bitching about it.. Then some smart players say it's all in the arm lose the arm it's h..... armless..... Get it.... LOL I have np with quirks I don't even look at them when I do my weapon loadout.

I don't do lights though... just not my play style.

Go play Highlanders exclusively for a month.

(Provide video evidence.)

Then tell me that pile of horseshit again with a straight face.

[Joseph Mallan]

DaZur, on 12 June 2015 - 11:10 PM, said:

The only mech that is truly useless is the mech driven by a pilot who knows nothing about piloting that mech...

Seyla.

[STEF_]

Jaeger Gonzo, on 13 June 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

in 5V I got one of better stats around my mechs, only 17 games thought SPIDER SDR-5V 17 12 5 2.40 25 6 4.17 5,336 26,040 02:09:30

Even better than the other spiders?

[Joseph Mallan]

Stefka Kerensky, on 13 June 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

Even better than the other spiders?

Does it need to be?
The Spider was designed for Recon not combat.

[STEF_]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 June 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

Does it need to be?
The Spider was designed for Recon not combat.

Eeeeeeee, Joe!
You already know that I really would like scouting role here.
But tiny maps and eternal skirmish only....

[Alistair Winter]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.

REAL mechwarrior pilots can pilot anything at any time.

I don't do lights though... just not my play style.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Stefka Kerensky, on 13 June 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

Even better than the other spiders?

Actually is better then anything else.
If I will play more, those will probably flat down, but still... one LPL is surprisingly good.

[STEF_]

Jaeger Gonzo, on 13 June 2015 - 03:08 AM, said:

Actually is better then anything else.
If I will play more, those will probably flat down, but still... one LPL is surprisingly good.

Thanks for the tip.
I'm really suffering trying to basic it, but I want to try the lpl build

[Rampancy]

Yosharian, on 13 June 2015 - 02:34 AM, said:

Go play Highlanders exclusively for a month.

(Provide video evidence.)

Then tell me that pile of horseshit again with a straight face.

People were crushing insane amounts of face with the Heavy Metal during the hero event.

[Sjorpha]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.

The important factor would be where you play and against who.

Solo que? Yeah you can kick ass with any mech, no one cares or takes those results as evidence of anything, so that doesn't matter much obviously.

If you really want to back up those words, I want you to go play with and against high level units and try to outperform the other players there in a Pretty Baby or Spider 5V. Provide video evidence.

"it's the pilot, not the mech" is only true up to a certain skill level, when everyone (or most) in the match is a top tier pilot the mechs start to matter more and more because those pilots close to max out the performance peaks of all mechs.

I'm not a comp player by any stretch, but I'll gladly 1v1 you against any mech you want to prove is good. Let's see if you can beat the meta in a duel against a mediocre player like me.

Edited by Sjorpha, 13 June 2015 - 04:56 AM.