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[Bishop Steiner]

Scout Derek, on 12 June 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

There is no "good" mech, it's how one pilots one. Now some are considered "good"(quirks) but only, AND only, if you can aim and get all your shots in.

No, there are mechs that are simply better. TBR, FS9 and SCR are still objectively better than anything else in their classes. Perfect storms of tonnage, armor, speed, agility and firepower, and in some cases known hitreg/hsr issues too.

[Mavairo]

Mister D, on 12 June 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

If you refuse to believe that there are mechs that do genuinely suck and are a determent to the team rather than an asset, that is just pure ignorance.

Some of the mediocre mechs can be lethal in the right hands, but for the effort involved to make them perform at a level to justify their use is moot when there are alot more and alot better alternatives that can do it better, faster at the same or lighter tonnage.

Looking at you Suckaphract!

Worst IS heavy going right now imo.

[Phashe]

Some mechs are just better than others. Some pilots can adapt to the poorer mechs and excel with them. Some pilots actually do BEST with the worst mechs in the game. But it is ignorant & arrogant to say "it is all player skill." That is just self-ego stroking.

I have 50+ mechs. My play style lets me excel at Awesomes, Cicadas, and other typically lower-tier mechs. That does NOT make these great mechs. They are weak in many ways. But they just happen to work well with me.

[Mavairo]

Phashe, on 13 June 2015 - 06:22 AM, said:

Some mechs are just better than others. Some pilots can adapt to the poorer mechs and excel with them. Some pilots actually do BEST with the worst mechs in the game. But it is ignorant & arrogant to say "it is all player skill." That is just self-ego stroking.

I have 50+ mechs. My play style lets me excel at Awesomes, Cicadas, and other typically lower-tier mechs. That does NOT make these great mechs. They are weak in many ways. But they just happen to work well with me.

I think part of it with my Fang and why I do so well in it, is precisely because it's not sporting a massive alpha. With just 2 LPL and 1 AC10, even with the cool down enhancements, and the 1/2 second LPLs, it's not the most firepower sporting mech by any means.

It's fragile.

So I play more carefully and well planned in it than I do several other mechs.

The worse the mech the more thought you put into playing and more relaxed you have to be in it.

on the flipside, it doesn't matter the build... The Timberwolf, I don't do nearly as well in, precisely because it has such fantastic stats that I feel like mistakes aren't penalized nearly as harshly. So I make a lot more of them.

[masCh]

Yes and no.

I still get 4-6 kills in a Shadowhawk on a typical match without making use of its quirks.
But I'd do better in a Wolverine.

There are good mechs with bad pilots, and there are good pilots with bad mechs.

And then there are good mechs with good pilots.

[stjobe]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

REAL mechwarrior pilots can pilot anything at any time.

Testimonial:
REAL mechwarrior pilots can pilot any 'Mech they want! REAL mechwarrior pilots headshot ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they STACKPOLE out ALL the time. I heard that there was this REAL mechwarrior pilot who was eating at a diner. And when some other mechwarrior pilot dropped an LRM the REAL mechwarrior pilot killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a REAL mechwarrior pilot totally alpha strike some Raven just because the Raven capped a resource node.

And that's what I call REAL BattleTech Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't believe that REAL mechwarrior pilots have REAL BattleTech Power you better get a life right now or they will Alpha Strike your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.

[Yosharian]

RampancyTW, on 13 June 2015 - 04:23 AM, said:

People were crushing insane amounts of face with the Heavy Metal during the hero event.

In your ELO maybe.

[Aresye]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

I keep hearing the line this mech is useless now cause of no quirks. Or my blank is sitting in the back of my mechbay till it's good again. REAL mechwarrior pilots can pilot anything at any time. Don't need some stupid quirks in order for them to be good. Or some other reason like guass is nerfed so this mech is useless now... I have to say these people are the newbs. It's not the ride that matters it's how you play it. Any mech can be good with the proper config for your play style. Laser Vomit, ac vomit, lrm vomit blah blah blah blah. stfu! Half these guys who ***** probably don't even use the R button.

If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.

I'm going to take a guess and say you probably don't regularly play against high Elo players, because when you get to that level you'll realize that no matter how good of a pilot you are, some chassis and quirks are flat out superior.

[Rampancy]

Yosharian, on 13 June 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

In your ELO maybe.

Sick burn, bro. Pilot skill is 80-90% of the equation, easily.

[PaeuxP22]

I think some mechs are definitely better than others. I also think some pilots do better in some mechs than others.

I'm crap in a lot of "great" mechs and equally I'm good in some bad ones. But I'm not a great pilot. I think the best pilot in the best mech will win but since very few of us are top tier pilots then a lot of us will do just fine in lower tier mechs. For which I am eternally grateful. A Pug full of timbies and crows etc is boring as hell

[Templar Dane]

Queek Head Taker, on 12 June 2015 - 03:16 PM, said:

I keep hearing the line this mech is useless now cause of no quirks. Or my blank is sitting in the back of my mechbay till it's good again. REAL mechwarrior pilots can pilot anything at any time. Don't need some stupid quirks in order for them to be good. Or some other reason like guass is nerfed so this mech is useless now... I have to say these people are the newbs. It's not the ride that matters it's how you play it. Any mech can be good with the proper config for your play style. Laser Vomit, ac vomit, lrm vomit blah blah blah blah. stfu! Half these guys who ***** probably don't even use the R button.

If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.

This was mostly brought on by some people talking about the dragon how it was ****... then there is some version that has quirks and gives it 4 free ac5's and everyone starts bitching about it.. Then some smart players say it's all in the arm lose the arm it's h..... armless..... Get it.... LOL I have np with quirks I don't even look at them when I do my weapon loadout.

I don't do lights though... just not my play style.

Mad Dog. Fit 2x UAC5 and whatever else.

Then try to get games as good as you can get in a Dragon 1N.

[Queek Head Taker]

vitors, high landers are all good mechs. Great mechs... isn't it also victors with jump jets? I love mechs with jump jets so much terrain freedom just wish more rounds and crazy terrain like... that one industrial lvl can't remember the name it's one of the newer levels. It's been so long since I played those I'm mastering atlas. stalker, Orion currently next I will master victors and highlanders though I already have one variant of both with just basic fully leveled and over 100,000 exp in each (I play alot)

[Queek Head Taker]

lordtzar, on 13 June 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

Mad Dog. Fit 2x UAC5 and whatever else.

Then try to get games as good as you can get in a Dragon 1N.

mad dog with 2xuac5's... but why do i have to play it with your style of weapons? can't i just configure it myself? also dragon is a good mech it's nice and fast and can dish out.

Lets just name a few things that really makes a good player.

-pressing R! then looking at your enemies armor situation and attacking them from that information while your also engaging them.

-Reading chat for information (if your team is communicating)

- knowing when to peek and knowing when to let them peek

-Prob one of the most important ones! Knowing how to spread the damage! somone shoots you with high damage spread that **** out knowing where to let LRMS to hit you.... (it's mostly better to take lrms in the back) in many situations saving your front armor for the brawl.

-Timing! Somone alphas you. you spread their alpha now they have no weapons for the reset. you fire yours and your keeping track of their timing they fire you turn your torso and let your useless arm absorb the damage now it's your turn again.

-Not bitching about LRMS! Instead giving locks to your lrm boats... so as your brawling that atlas or Dire he is taking LRMS and your FIRE!

-Weapon concentration of Fire..... simply put awesome 9M with SRM's.... <---- if you dont understand this... then you should do some research.

- On many maps you can hide in smoke or particles use night vision the smoke dissapears and you can see the enemy clearly and they can't see you... till you fire at them a couple times and they trace your line of fire but it's already to late at that point. (Thermal vision doesn't do the same thing to smoke)

-Use thermal vision on terra therma and many other maps to see where enemies are.. it's free lasik eye surgery but any little black dot you see is a mech.

-know what you can and can't do! What makes a good light pilot... sneaks up behind somone and toasts their back if not killing them this is a light doing his role but you don't see a light going head on with an assault... if you do... it doesn't end welll mostly for the light. this doesn't mean the mech sucks cause it can't kill an atlas straight on it just has a different role and a good mech pilot knows this and can deliver.

There are tons of different strategies and I'm far from perfect or knowing them all infact I keep trying to come up with more

These skills are pilot BASED! and is what makes any mech a good mech cause it's based maily on pilot skills and knowing thy mech!

Please if you think other wise please leave a polite post correcting me and help me be even better.

Edited by Queek Head Taker, 13 June 2015 - 02:36 PM.

[Templar Dane]

Queek Head Taker, on 13 June 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

mad dog with 2xuac5's... but why do i have to play it with your style of weapons? can't i just configure it myself? also dragon is a good mech it's nice and fast and can dish out.

Lets just name a few things that really makes a good player.

-pressing R! then looking at your enemies armor situation and attacking them from that information while your also engaging them.

-Reading chat for information (if your team is communicating)

- knowing when to peek and knowing when to let them peek

-Prob one of the most important ones! Knowing how to spread the damage! somone shoots you with high damage spread that **** out knowing where to let LRMS to hit you.... (it's mostly better to take lrms in the back) in many situations saving your front armor for the brawl.

-Timing! Somone alphas you. you spread their alpha now they have no weapons for the reset. you fire yours and your keeping track of their timing they fire you turn your torso and let your useless arm absorb the damage now it's your turn again.

-Not bitching about LRMS! Instead giving locks to your lrm boats... so as your brawling that atlas or Dire he is taking LRMS and your FIRE!

-Weapon concentration of Fire..... simply put awesome 9M with SRM's.... <---- if you dont understand this... then you should do some research.

- On many maps you can hide in smoke or particles use night vision the smoke dissapears and you can see the enemy clearly and they can't see you... till you fire at them a couple times and they trace your line of fire but it's already to late at that point. (Thermal vision doesn't do the same thing to smoke)

-Use thermal vision on terra therma and many other maps to see where enemies are.. it's free lasik eye surgery but any little black dot you see is a mech.

-know what you can and can't do! What makes a good light pilot... sneaks up behind somone and toasts their back if not killing them this is a light doing his role but you don't see a light going head on with an assault... if you do... it doesn't end welll mostly for the light. this doesn't mean the mech sucks cause it can't kill an atlas straight on it just has a different role and a good mech pilot knows this and can deliver.

There are tons of different strategies and I'm far from perfect or knowing them all infact I keep trying to come up with more

These skills are pilot BASED! and is what makes any mech a good mech cause it's based maily on pilot skills and knowing thy mech!

Please if you think other wise please leave a polite post correcting me and help me be even better.

While many of us can carry our weight no matter what we are piloting, it's hard to argue that we wouldn't do even more if we were in another mech.

"clan mechs OP, NERF THE MECHS NERF THE WEAPONS WAHHHHH"

In the example I made above....pilot a dragon 1N and then use any mad dog and try do as well in it.

[800]

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If you think there is a mech that sucks that REALLY SUCKS I will go buy it and I will play and and kick ass with it. Cause I don't need quirks to be good.

Vindicator, in Battle of Tukayyid it was even less popular than URBANMECH. It does tell something about it.

[Queek Head Taker]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

Vindicator, in Battle of Tukayyid it was even less popular than URBANMECH. It does tell something about it.

Let me fix this for you...

Vindicator, in Battle of Tukayyid it was even less popular than URBANMECH. It does tell something about the commuity....

[Moldur]

Meta in regular queue is a myth. Unless you're total **** you can play almost anything in regular and do alright if you're decent.

[Dr Hobo]

As a hunchback pilot(I primary Hunchbacks and Ravens. But that will change when the EJ and Shadowcat come) I feel bad if I can't do bare minimum my mechs armor point value in damage. I don't get a lot of kills,but I try to hit everything and soften it up

Rather hard when I can get shot in the right side all the time. But a fun challenge. So far the Wubback is a ton of fun.

[bad arcade kitty]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

Vindicator, in Battle of Tukayyid it was even less popular than URBANMECH. It does tell something about it.

urbanmech in mwo is a decent slow light
vindi is a ****** medium

[Dr Hobo]

bad arcade kitty, on 13 June 2015 - 05:28 PM, said:

urbanmech in mwo is a decent slow light
vindi is a ****** medium

The Vindicator(as much as I love the look of it) is MWO Hardcore mode.