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[Mavairo]

Mudhutwarrior, on 13 June 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

If the shoe fits. The real top players will admit whats going on with the majority. If you want to act like the herd expect to get thrown in with them. I still haven't forgotten one of 66AH was a big shot with all the answers on the forums. For him there were no pugstomps either.

So feel comfortable fitting the profile.

Considering I'm guildless, and I'm not having issues dropping solo meeting a 30 match score, barring a connection issue.
Maybe you should be turning your examinations inwards.

[Monkey Lover]

Only time get less than 30 is when I take an assault mech. Without team support I get focused fired to death.

800, if i was you I would use a heavy mech with a few lrms. Not to many the goal is to touch as many mechs as you can , not to kill them with lrms. This should help get the.minimum score.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 13 June 2015 - 04:18 PM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Don't try and debate or argue with Mudhut, it's a waste of time on the order of trying to bail the ocean out with a slotted spoon. Actually, you have a better chance with the slotted spoon...

I mean, come on guys, he's OBVIOUSLY better than any of us, he's got a positive KDR! His WLR is probably not positive, but so what, HE'S a MechGod, don't you dare to counter his statements! He has PROOF that peopel are sync dropping, he's seen multiple Clan Wolf faction players in a single drop!

Seriously, you'd have better luck getting a wall to give you a good intelligent conversation.

[km1710]

Alistair Winter, on 13 June 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

I think there are several ways to fail this, without it being your fault. Good players can find themselves in bad positions in the pug matches, usually because the team splits up and dies before you have a chance to make an impact. By the time you have a real chance to do some damage, you may be so outnumbered that you simply won't be able to do much. This is especially true for builds that rely on damage over time, as opposed to 75+ ton mechs that can basically just vomit 300 damage in 10 seconds if you hit the override button.

this. this is absolutely right and a reasonable explanation.

800, remember this quote, instead of the asses who are telling you to return to traning grounds or blaming you a priori because "it does not happen to them".

[thesleepyslam]

km1710, on 13 June 2015 - 04:19 PM, said:

this. this is absolutely right and a reasonable explanation.

800, remember this quote, instead of the asses who are telling you to return to traning grounds or blaming you a priori because "it does not happen to them".

It didn't happen to me last challenge, and the only round where I didn't qualify in this one so far is when I went into a game with a friend to have a Spider-5V jumping contest.

I lost.

Edited by thesleepyslam, 13 June 2015 - 04:25 PM.

[Mystere]

Mavairo, on 13 June 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Considering I'm guildless, and I'm not having issues dropping solo meeting a 30 match score, barring a connection issue.
Maybe you should be turning your examinations inwards.

Or using another medium to say the same thing:

Edited by Mystere, 13 June 2015 - 04:33 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

i may be wrong but afaik groups are preferably matched vs groups, i probably never saw more than 2 (possibly 3?) similar tags on one side

anyway, here is my list, i had one game which wasn't qualified it's when i was overcome with chasing excitement and gave my mech for killing some ragged panther who fled into their teammates at the beginning of the game, then we lost and i scored 26 or so for some reason i don't see it on the list, kind pgi probably excluded it when i completed 20/20 to make me feel better :3

i had a plenty of good games and conquest is my favorite mode, so it will probably be worse when i switch to assault/skirmish

[Deathlike]

I think it's mistake to think you are a victim of something far sinister considering that more likely than not, you're simply not that good.

Getting 30 points isn't a really high goal... it's 300 raw damage points (and more if you use a UAV, get assists+kills, and even easier to get when you win). That's not really a high watermark. If you're even remotely average, you can do this more often than not in your sleep.

In PUGLife™, very often "you think whatever you do" will be enough (and generally it's not), but you cannot genuinely trust the other people to do their part... and unless you happen to be some member of EmP or some elite unit, you're going to have to roll with the punches and do limited forms of teamwork (and hope the team actually responds the way you need to) unless you play more in the group queue, where you are EXPECTED to do teamwork at a far higher level... and properly.

Seriously... every single time people don't make their 30 points... it's because they do little to nothing to give pause that you deserve those 30 points.

Edited by Deathlike, 13 June 2015 - 04:47 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I'm making my 30 too. But the losses are staggering like 10 to 1. Utter stomps and lots of 3 minute matches. Not dropping with noobs either so no excuse there.

I did switch to urbies when I understood I could stack to dires toegther and not carry a match so I had quite a few sub scores after that. Mostly because I am real weak at lights to begin with and then its an urbie and it seems like you have to be a top light pilot to do well in them..

Figure just to be a Richard I will drive Jaegers all day Sunday mixed with some Victor sauce for flavor.

[Dr Hobo]

I suck. I admit I suck.

But I think most players should learn to do their mechs armor points in Damage. So since my Hunchbacks carry max 338pts of armor,I need to do a minimum of 350 to actually carry my mechs weight(I round up to the nearest 50pts) and I admit I do not always get it. It is sad when you get LRM'd to death in some maps because the maps are bad. But other times it's even worse when you have several(or entire lances) that barely break 50 damage.

[bad arcade kitty]

Dr Hobo, on 13 June 2015 - 05:12 PM, said:

I suck. I admit I suck.

But I think most players should learn to do their mechs armor points in Damage. So since my Hunchbacks carry max 338pts of armor,I need to do a minimum of 350 to actually carry my mechs weight(I round up to the nearest 50pts) and I admit I do not always get it. It is sad when you get LRM'd to death in some maps because the maps are bad. But other times it's even worse when you have several(or entire lances) that barely break 50 damage.

that's a... rather arbitrary idea

your hunchbacks also have structure, 175 points of it (too lazy to check if it has armor/structure quirks), losing armor doesn't kill by itself
mechs don't die only when they lose all their armor and structure, it needs much less damage to kill one

[Dr Hobo]

bad arcade kitty, on 13 June 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

that's a... rather arbitrary idea

your hunchbacks also have structure, 175 points of it (too lazy to check if it has armor/structure quirks), losing armor doesn't kill by itself
mechs don't die only when they lose all their armor and structure, it needs much less damage to kill one

So in a Hunchback I should be doing what? 550? Not that hard in a Huncback 4G. An issue in the others. Mostly due to the ERPPC/Gauss sniper crowd that strip you of a mech long before you can get to the fight. That and unless you follow a lance of assaults or heavies(something that as of late,I only get lances of lights and I'm the only medium of) you will lose that torso. That's ok tho.

That is also why I stopped carrying anything in my right arm in any of my Hunchbacks sans the SRM boat.

[800]

Guys I guess I should clarify some stuff:

• 300 dmg is a piece of cake when you're on winning team.
  
• when on losing team as i said we're losing like 12-0 or 12-2, means I get 0 assists, which is a problem,so pretty much entire losing team doesnt get 30pts in match or like 1/2 people do.
  
• I suffer from random though not frequent stutter after longer streaks of playing,when in middle of firefight this can mean life or death since i've often been chopped off like 10% armor just due to this
  
• my rig isn't high end, dual core CPU, basic vid card, in some maps i'm playing at 25-35fps, tohugh at others easily handle over 60, however stutter persists in them all
  
• my skill level is somewhat average, ones which doubt clearly are pubstompers themselves and they want system to stay the way it is now, may you burn in hell
  
• my choice of mechs and builds are generally err.. not that great, I'm usually playing without heavy duty quirks, meta builds, limited range occasionaly, also when I pick up short range mech, poof and alpine pops up, when i pick long range poof some city or something, my luck is extremely low, low to the definition of absolute minimum
  
• my mouse is partially broken, though any other I buy works even ******** for me, so im sticking with my 6 years old worn and torn mouse

[FupDup]

After the queue segregation, pugs only fight pugs and premades only fight premades. Thus, the only people stomping pugs...are other pugs.

...Well, unless you're playing CW that is, but why are you playing CW in that case?

[ArchAngelWC]

Mcgral18, on 13 June 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

How do you fail to deal 300 damage?


Even my Myth Lynx managed every time. You're (or the people who fail to deal at least 200, preferably more) are the reason these pugstomps happen.


You fail to damage the enemy and do your part, so your team has fewer guns and fewer targets, which causes the snowball effect.


Being less Bad is generally the solution.

So you are saying if we looked at your stats we would never find a **** game where you turned a corner and DWF...or got caught by exploity ******** who immediately moved to sniper positions and backblasted while you left spawn

[NephyrisX]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Guys I guess I should clarify some stuff:

• 300 dmg is a piece of cake when you're on winning team.
  
• when on losing team as i said we're losing like 12-0 or 12-2, means I get 0 assists, which is a problem,so pretty much entire losing team doesnt get 30pts in match or like 1/2 people do.
  
• I suffer from random though not frequent stutter after longer streaks of playing,when in middle of firefight this can mean life or death since i've often been chopped off like 10% armor just due to this
  
• my rig isn't high end, dual core CPU, basic vid card, in some maps i'm playing at 25-35fps, tohugh at others easily handle over 60, however stutter persists in them all
  
• my skill level is somewhat average, ones which doubt clearly are pubstompers themselves and they want system to stay the way it is now, may you burn in hell
  
• my choice of mechs and builds are generally err.. not that great, I'm usually playing without heavy duty quirks, meta builds, limited range occasionaly, also when I pick up short range mech, poof and alpine pops up, when i pick long range poof some city or something, my luck is extremely low, low to the definition of absolute minimum
  
• my mouse is partially broken, though any other I buy works even ******** for me, so im sticking with my 6 years old worn and torn mouse

In other words, your shortcomings, both in-game and hardware wise, contribute to the stomp.

ArchAngelWC, on 13 June 2015 - 06:55 PM, said:

So you are saying if we looked at your stats we would never find a **** game where you turned a corner and DWF...or got caught by exploity ******** who immediately moved to sniper positions and backblasted while you left spawn

Of course you would be here spouting vitriol.

Those situations happen in a small minority unless you lack something call situation awareness.

Edited by NephyrisX, 13 June 2015 - 07:14 PM.

[Imperius]

Get better at the game, it's quite pathetic you can't do 300dmg I have only not qualified for one match so far and I was alt tabbed my team got wiped and I stil got 27 points in the 20 seconds I lived.

Quit trying to blame your team when clearly you're the issue!

[Kira Onime]

Mudhutwarrior, on 13 June 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

And you wonder why tryhards are so hated.

Oh nooooooo.... he doesn't like people that try to win.

If you're salty over people trying to win the games they're playing then QQ harder, your tears taste delicious.

[Unnatural Growth]

OP,

When I'm playing well, I'm *maybe* an average player. And I definitely run a below spec PC. I have most all of my video settings at minimum, and usually run a frame rate in the 30's. I don't think I own a single "meta" build on any mech, except maybe I do own a Thunderwub, but rarely play it.

You need to take a look at what you're doing wrong. Maybe running mechs or builds that don't really fit your play style? If you're having trouble hitting targets, maybe change weapons and play styles. Don't try to snipe long range with ERLL's if you can't hold the targeting retical still on target, for instance. Maybe run more mixed builds, or more close range builds with AC10/AC20's. Are you remembering to use cover, or remembering to torso twist when taking fire? Run more pulse lasers than standard lasers, shorter beam times mean more damage delivered to same area on enemy mech. Maybe run LB10's and/or machine guns and get right up in their paint jobs and tear them a new one at point blank?

Never let more than one enemy mech focus fire on you. Doesn't matter what you're driving, if 3 or more, or even 2 or more enemy mechs are hitting you at once, you're toast. Get out of there, use cover, stay with your team. If you're lone wolfing it, you're doing it wrong.

I'm a below average player myself, but I've only got one match so far that scored less than 30, and that one was my fault for taking a bad position early on, and not reacting fast enough to that bad situation. No one to blame but myself for that one.

[Novakaine]

Fight Smart and carry even Harder!