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[Jazzbandit1313]

I originally pre-ordered the full Wave 3 pack, but dropped the executioner because I thought I might get burned like i did with the Gargoyle (fun mech, but not 30$ fun) Now that I've seen the preview(s) and seen MASC, I'm kinda wanting to re-upgrade to the top package.

Any of you in the same spot? Some were saying it will be crap, but it looks to be quite effective.

[FupDup]

It's been a common concensus that the lowest performance you'll get with the Gladbag would be about "Tier 3" or so, and "Tier 2" at highest. Note that such discussions happened before MASC was revealed...

It will beat the pants off the Glarg, that's pretty much a scientific fact.

[Moldur]

Meh, it's a $30 novelty. I can wait for it. The Cauldron Born, in comparison, looks like it'll be a usurping the #1 spot for Clan heavies or coming in at a very close #2. I wouldn't mind having an executioner if it was free, and it definitely looks cool, but as you said for the Garbro, not $30 cool.

[Kira Onime]

Moldur, on 14 June 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Meh, it's a $30 novelty. I can wait for it. The Cauldron Born, in comparison, looks like it'll be a usurping the #1 spot for Clan heavies or coming in at a very close #2. I wouldn't mind having an executioner if it was free, and it definitely looks cool, but as you said for the Garbro, not $30 cool.

I'd hold off right now for the #1 spot in heavies

[InspectorG]

You can upgrade later like i do. $30 at a time.

[Wintersdark]

KiraOnime, on 14 June 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'd hold off right now for the #1 spot in heavies

If it doesn't have laser nerfs, it'll totally dominate Timberwolves, no question.

If it DOES have the Timberwolf/Stormcrows laser nerfs, it'll be a viable competitor.

[MerryIguana]

Sounds like you are buying for meta. tsk tsk

Edit: Someone took me seriously.

Edited by MerryIguana, 14 June 2015 - 11:45 AM.

[Moldur]

MerryIguana, on 14 June 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Sounds like you are buying for meta. tsk tsk

Maybe he plans on boating small lasers, machine guns, and NARC.

[Wintersdark]

InspectorG, on 14 June 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

You can upgrade later like i do. $30 at a time.

Yeah, this is usually my approach: Drop $30 on reveal to get the preorder bonuses (which are basically worth the $30), then upgrade over time. Keeps the wallet impact spread out, reduces risk, etc.

In this case, I started with the Cauldron Born though, because obviously.

Just upgraded to Executioner after seeing the MASC reveal.

The Executioner won't be bad, but it will be limited. Very limited pod space, but fast and well armored. Awesome mech for peeking and poking, and a very good close range brawler with MASC accelerated turning/acceleration, good cooling, and crazy fast twist and turn.

[Pezzer]

I'm mostly worried about getting burned by the Light mech in this pack, like how I did with the Mist Lynx. God, what an awful mech...
The Gargoyle is pretty decent, I think it's pretty underestimated, but with that being said it IS basically an 80-ton Timberwolf with worse hitboxes and less pod space. I hope that they give it some better quirks one day, if they do so it should balance things out.

As for the Executioner, I also felt iffy about it when I was pre-ordering my pack. I decided to splurge because I realized that the mech will be pretty fantastic after some time spent theorycrafting. It will be capable of running guass+MPLs for days, ERLL, LPL, UAC/20+2ERLL+a billion small lasers, etc. Going to be fantastic to play, mostly because of the variety that this single mech chassis represents.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Pezzer, on 14 June 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

I'm mostly worried about getting burned by the Light mech in this pack, like how I did with the Mist Lynx. God, what an awful mech...
The Gargoyle is pretty decent, I think it's pretty underestimated, but with that being said it IS basically an 80-ton Timberwolf with worse hitboxes and less pod space. I hope that they give it some better quirks one day, if they do so it should balance things out.

As for the Executioner, I also felt iffy about it when I was pre-ordering my pack. I decided to splurge because I realized that the mech will be pretty fantastic after some time spent theorycrafting. It will be capable of running guass+MPLs for days, ERLL, LPL, UAC/20+2ERLL+a billion small lasers, etc. Going to be fantastic to play, mostly because of the variety that this single mech chassis represents.

There is literally only one way you'll get burned on the Cheetah, and that's if its size and hitboxes are made terrible.

Barring that, it's instantly the #1 or #2 light in the game.

[Kira Onime]

Wintersdark, on 14 June 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

If it doesn't have laser nerfs, it'll totally dominate Timberwolves, no question.

If it DOES have the Timberwolf/Stormcrows laser nerfs, it'll be a viable competitor.

That's a reason why I'm holding before calling it best heavy.
An other reason will also be how it performs on the field.

Let's also keep in mind the timby is still a tankier heavy by nearly 100pts of armor.

[MerryIguana]

Moldur, on 14 June 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Maybe he plans on boating small lasers

This will definetly be a thing.

[InspectorG]

Wintersdark, on 14 June 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yeah, this is usually my approach: Drop $30 on reveal to get the preorder bonuses (which are basically worth the $30), then upgrade over time. Keeps the wallet impact spread out, reduces risk, etc.

In this case, I started with the Cauldron Born though, because obviously.

Just upgraded to Executioner after seeing the MASC reveal.

The Executioner won't be bad, but it will be limited. Very limited pod space, but fast and well armored. Awesome mech for peeking and poking, and a very good close range brawler with MASC accelerated turning/acceleration, good cooling, and crazy fast twist and turn.

Im only at the Hankyu now but will upgrade at leisure. Wave 2 looke 'meh' so i didnt bother.

Wave 3 is looking good. Had to get Arctic God Cheeter.

Scat is looking good as well because im a Cicada pilot.

Dont hit me, but, i could care less about Cauldron Born. Looked stoopid in BT, looks better in MWO. I hope it doesnt suffer from the Nova-Syndrome. High hardpoints sell it for me.

Fat Gargles looks like he may be good for Wub-N-Run, range poke, or Gauss+lazor. Perhaps even SRM drive byes? Honestly more intrigued since the MASC vids and the rescinded DOA label.

[XX Sulla XX]

Go ahead and upgrade here is why....

1. An extra 30s days premium time so the over all cost is lower for the upgrade.

2. Future rewards for having a top tier pack.

3. The Executioner will have a bit more tonnage than a TW if you count that extra heat sink and tonnage from armor that can be shaved. This will let it use the old TW loadouts that works so well like 2 LPLs and 3-5 medium lasers. And probably without the heat penalty nerf.

4. In solo and group play where tonnage does not matter the combination of speed, agility and fire power will work well.

5. It has more armor than the TW but still enough speed to stay with groups in solo and group play.

6. Its just going to be a lot of fun.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 14 June 2015 - 11:24 AM.

[Wildstreak]

I bought up to Executioner and am sticking to it.
It will be the heaviest Assault I own, only have Awesomes and Zeus, plus I get MASC and it will be a Clan Mech.

[Wintersdark]

KiraOnime, on 14 June 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

That's a reason why I'm holding before calling it best heavy.
An other reason will also be how it performs on the field.

Let's also keep in mind the timby is still a tankier heavy by nearly 100pts of armor.

It's objectively not tankier.

The Cauldron Born has a VASTLY smaller profile, allowing it to spread damage easier and get hit less. It's arms are much higher relative to the fuselage, and will be able to block a lot more shots to the side. The Timberwolf has 8 pts more CT armor, 4-6 points more to each ST. That's trivial. Being physically smaller is a far larger advantage than 8 points of armor.

For performance? 1 ton more pod space. Better hardpoints. Higher arms (relative to the cockpit, which is the key). Smaller profile. Skyhook shoulder mounts, that have a smaller profile than Timberwolf ears.

Unless it's severely hampered with negative quirks, it's simply better than the Timberwolf.

Edit: Or has horrifically gimped hitboxes; but that's unlikely.

Edited by Wintersdark, 14 June 2015 - 11:50 AM.

[Wintersdark]

InspectorG, on 14 June 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Im only at the Hankyu now but will upgrade at leisure. Wave 2 looke 'meh' so i didnt bother.

It looked terrible, and was. I did get the Mist Lynx pack for the reasons above (it's a cheaper way to by premium time, and I could master them, and sell all but the prime for +2 bays and more cbills) but never went past that.

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Wave 3 is looking good. Had to get Arctic God Cheeter.

Absolutely. The Arctic Cheetah, even if it's only decent (though I suspect it'll be brutal) is a huge bonus for increasing drop deck flexibility.

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Scat is looking good as well because im a Cicada pilot.

Yup. I love Mediums, and the Scat gets me a solid ECM medium with CRAZY speed. I can't wait to see how fast it accerates under MASC; should be able to peek and poke like crazy.

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Dont hit me, but, i could care less about Cauldron Born. Looked stoopid in BT, looks better in MWO. I hope it doesnt suffer from the Nova-Syndrome. High hardpoints sell it for me.

To each their own. It's no wider than the Timberwolf, and it's arms are at the same height (and higher relative to the cockpit), so I can't see if having Nova issues. It's also got a more slender front profile than the Nova, more armor, way more pod space.

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Fat Gargles looks like he may be good for Wub-N-Run, range poke, or Gauss+lazor. Perhaps even SRM drive byes? Honestly more intrigued since the MASC vids and the rescinded DOA label.

Yeah, it looked like it would be reasonably usable - maybe even T2 - in very specific roles initially, but being hampered by a huge engine and heavy MASC, it fell into the "very 'fast' assault" problem where you end up with an Assault armored Heavy with Medium firepower.

However, seeing how fast it could get in and out of the citadel passage in that video... wow.

MASC looks like it'll actually be worth the tonnage.

Even so, it'll still be more of a niche mech than a generalist - good at specific things, but not really flexible. I feel a lot bettter about it now, enough so that I upgraded. I really didn't expect to do that.

[Lightfoot]

Pretty Baby looks pretty awesome too.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

People playing the Gargoyle like an 80 ton Timberwolf are doing it wrong.

You have to play the Gargoyle like the Honeybadger IIC.

People are going to play the Sexecutioner like it's a Clan Highlander or Wubshee and ***** about how it's bad.