Hehloes Mechwarriors!
I am finally taking a break from the game and wanted to leave my reasons for the decision here for everyone else to have a look at as well, in the form of a video as usual.
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Taking A Break From Mechwarrior Online
Started by Silra, Jun 14 2015 11:30 PM
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Posted 14 June 2015 - 11:41 PM
Half done watching video and I totally agree with everything so far. The Chinese accent was hard to understand at first but I got used to it after a while. HAHA just kidding. 
The video is dobre.
Totally disagree with second half. Good to pass the time. Dos vi denya, di menya vodka. lol (bad spelling im sure.)
The video is dobre.Totally disagree with second half. Good to pass the time. Dos vi denya, di menya vodka. lol (bad spelling im sure.)
Edited by Johnny Z, 14 June 2015 - 11:52 PM.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 12:17 AM
I also mostly agree with the first part, though I think WOT is a poor game to compare to. The new player experience really does need some work in MWO, but I've found that faaaar more accessible than WOT, as have most of my friends.
As for the second half, I disagree. I believe the quirks were absolutely needed. While you are right about there always being a few mechs better than others, the gap between the best and worst performers prior to the quirks was measured in light years. The system you are talking about sounds more to me like previous MW titles, where only a handful of mechs and weapon systems were deemed truly competitive. I think MWO has some of the tightest balance so far.
Probably an unpopular opinion though.
Anyhoo, enjoy your time off. Check in from time to time.
As for the second half, I disagree. I believe the quirks were absolutely needed. While you are right about there always being a few mechs better than others, the gap between the best and worst performers prior to the quirks was measured in light years. The system you are talking about sounds more to me like previous MW titles, where only a handful of mechs and weapon systems were deemed truly competitive. I think MWO has some of the tightest balance so far.
Probably an unpopular opinion though.
Anyhoo, enjoy your time off. Check in from time to time.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:14 AM
bad arcade kitty, on 15 June 2015 - 12:18 AM, said:
wot is p2w crap
LOL no kidding, WOT is everything negative thing players on here claim about this game. P2W, micro transactions that buy better ammo, OBSCENE tech tree based grind keeping top tier tanks locked out...
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:23 AM
The only thing what i am dissappointed in is are the abysmal prices of MWO.
No pause premium time, expensive pixel mechs, expensive colours and camo which you get bad quality in return.
It's PGI selling points and it still sucks.
With the price of some packages alone you can buy a other triple AAA game.
I dont see any price / value.
No pause premium time, expensive pixel mechs, expensive colours and camo which you get bad quality in return.
It's PGI selling points and it still sucks.
With the price of some packages alone you can buy a other triple AAA game.
I dont see any price / value.
Edited by Sarlic, 15 June 2015 - 01:25 AM.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:27 AM
Sarlic, on 15 June 2015 - 01:23 AM, said:
The only thing what i am dissappointed in is are the abysmal prices of MWO.
No pause premium time, expensive pixel mechs, expensive colours and camo which you get bad quality in return.
It's PGI selling points and it still sucks.
With the price of some packages alone you can buy a other triple AAA game.
I dont see any price / value.
No pause premium time, expensive pixel mechs, expensive colours and camo which you get bad quality in return.
It's PGI selling points and it still sucks.
With the price of some packages alone you can buy a other triple AAA game.
I dont see any price / value.
Then I hope you havn't spent any money on the game.
I played for years without spending a dime, and had a great time. More fun then a lot of "real" games. As such, I paid in after a long period and am pleased with what I got for the money. YMMV
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:29 AM
I find WoWS to be decent enough (never played WoT). A lot of MWO players said that they want to play a methodical slow paced thinking man's shooter and WoWS deliver that in aces. But customization continues to be MW or any other BT games' big strength.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:30 AM
In all honesty, I wish they would just simply fix hitreg.
Everything else would fall into place afterwards IMO.
Weapons could be properly balanced, mech classes could be properly balanced, Lights would no longer soak up more damage than 2-3 Atlas combined, ect ect.
OP is spot on with alot of his video.
I know as soon as my premium time runs out, since 2/3'd of it got wasted because I can't pause it anyway, I'm thinking of going taking a break as well, or at least cutting down some to go play Kerbal Space program and other stuff I have neglected.
Everything else would fall into place afterwards IMO.
Weapons could be properly balanced, mech classes could be properly balanced, Lights would no longer soak up more damage than 2-3 Atlas combined, ect ect.
OP is spot on with alot of his video.
I know as soon as my premium time runs out, since 2/3'd of it got wasted because I can't pause it anyway, I'm thinking of going taking a break as well, or at least cutting down some to go play Kerbal Space program and other stuff I have neglected.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:05 AM
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:14 AM
Thank you for pointing out how utterly horrible this game is for new players. That goes against the tryhard grain with their underhive locker room mentality.
MWO is a meat grinder for new players. Nothing in the gamer environment can survive under these conditions. The players themselves seem to want to kill it as fast as they can. Only PGI can change that because once the Herd is in full groupthink it's impossible to change on its own.
Ask any Psychologist and they will explain groupthink and how the greatest horrors in society came from that with group self justification.
Break from the herd if you have any individualism left.
MWO is a meat grinder for new players. Nothing in the gamer environment can survive under these conditions. The players themselves seem to want to kill it as fast as they can. Only PGI can change that because once the Herd is in full groupthink it's impossible to change on its own.
Ask any Psychologist and they will explain groupthink and how the greatest horrors in society came from that with group self justification.
Break from the herd if you have any individualism left.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:20 AM
Mudhutwarrior, on 15 June 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:
MWO is a meat grinder for new players. Nothing in the gamer environment can survive under these conditions. The players themselves seem to want to kill it as fast as they can. Only PGI can change that because once the Herd is in full groupthink it's impossible to change on its own.
Ask any Psychologist and they will explain groupthink and how the greatest horrors in society came from that with group self justification.
Break from the herd if you have any individualism left.
Ask any Psychologist and they will explain groupthink and how the greatest horrors in society came from that with group self justification.
Break from the herd if you have any individualism left.
Ah, but here's the trick question: Are you stating that as an individual or are you merely stating the arguments from your own group(think)?
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:26 AM
SnagaDance, on 15 June 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:
Ah, but here's the trick question: Are you stating that as an individual or are you merely stating the arguments from your own group(think)?
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:44 AM
Silra, on 14 June 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:
Hehloes Mechwarriors!
I am finally taking a break from the game and wanted to leave my reasons for the decision here for everyone else to have a look at as well, in the form of a video as usual.
I am finally taking a break from the game and wanted to leave my reasons for the decision here for everyone else to have a look at as well, in the form of a video as usual.
Didn't watch the video... Member since 2012 is a good enough reason to take a break far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:04 AM
take a break I did, not because of any particular problem with the game, just sometimes you need to step away from your keyboard and see whats going on in the world
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:07 AM
lets think.
Crews in World of Tanks(WoT) take far more time to grind, than Mech warrior online. (so much for crew skills being bad in MWO) and all these improvements you say are great, in WoT you still have to grind the cash to buy them, are forced on you in many cases, 80% of Wot is forced improvement MWO is fully open customisation, so to make it similar to wot, to put a better auto canon on your mech you would have to grind xp and pay for it, in MWO you only have to grind the cash.
All WoT progression is linear and once your top tier your older tanks are shut off from you in the 'end' game, you can play your first mech in MWO in the 'end' game.
Experienced players in WoT take fully kitted out tier one tanks, and troll new starts to amuse their little minds, (only thing PGI could do better is to automatically place new starts in the lower bucket, for first 100 games). something that experienced player can't do in MWO.
Can't go group with a friend and help them get used to it.
Your a founder, you know as well as anyone here, that it was the PLAYERS and not PGI who caused this issue because P.G.I listened to the player base.
It was people crying tears about how unfair it was that Pug'd got rolled by small groups 'cheating' by using com's and grouping up, by the sad soloist's that said it was unfair for them to have to fight organised people in a team game.
so PGI reduced the grouping limits to four people which still wasn't good enough for the player base and those people with five of more friend became upset.
So PGI made a group cue, and a single pug cue, so of course once you group even with one friend you end up cuing in the group cue, and yes of course this will make it harder to group with new starts, but its not PGI's fault.
Two of the pilot skills do nothing which is annoying and frustrating, but hardly game breaking, and again were taken out to help improve people experience with high pings ( PGI are never going to have the player base to have european servers, North american servers and asian servers to put back convergence which again enough of the player base don't want put back in because it would make their experience worse, this world server is also a big factor behind bad HSR)
The Jump jet exploit PGI fixed over a month ago.
Quirks you have a valid point in some area's where the quirk is extreme mechs like the Hunchback 4G and Grid Iron are over quirked, where quirks have started to be used on clan mechs this is just crazy, as the whole idea of quirks was to make IS mech competitive, and to make less used mechs some what viable, now its being used as a balancing tool. for everthing, though quirks do not make it harder for new starts like you seem to be projecting, I think you just find quirks offensive.
Your c-bill idea though is heavily flawed, as its being used in CW, to little of no effect, so people will just ignore it, what the point in using a bad mech with a bonus, when you can play a good mech, and do more damage and get a better reward, and if you make the reward so big, that you can just turn up, do a point of damage and then suicide, that's exactly what people will do, to exploit the system.
So basically your leaving because you don't like the new player experience of which as many of the issues have been caused by the players as much as PGI.
You don't like the quirk system, a personal choice.
You don't like the fact PGI are making maps for CW and not arena fighting.
You might be trying to sound reasonable, but at the end of the day your post is of the same value as a person that says PGI you suck and then uninstals, and your going to be even more annoying and childish by filling up the website with your passive aggressive you tube posts.
I'm starting to understand finally why Russ doesn't come here, and I feel very sorry for Tina B who has to shuffle and filter through all the angst and white noise for sensible opinions
Crews in World of Tanks(WoT) take far more time to grind, than Mech warrior online. (so much for crew skills being bad in MWO) and all these improvements you say are great, in WoT you still have to grind the cash to buy them, are forced on you in many cases, 80% of Wot is forced improvement MWO is fully open customisation, so to make it similar to wot, to put a better auto canon on your mech you would have to grind xp and pay for it, in MWO you only have to grind the cash.
All WoT progression is linear and once your top tier your older tanks are shut off from you in the 'end' game, you can play your first mech in MWO in the 'end' game.
Experienced players in WoT take fully kitted out tier one tanks, and troll new starts to amuse their little minds, (only thing PGI could do better is to automatically place new starts in the lower bucket, for first 100 games). something that experienced player can't do in MWO.
Can't go group with a friend and help them get used to it.
Your a founder, you know as well as anyone here, that it was the PLAYERS and not PGI who caused this issue because P.G.I listened to the player base.
It was people crying tears about how unfair it was that Pug'd got rolled by small groups 'cheating' by using com's and grouping up, by the sad soloist's that said it was unfair for them to have to fight organised people in a team game.
so PGI reduced the grouping limits to four people which still wasn't good enough for the player base and those people with five of more friend became upset.
So PGI made a group cue, and a single pug cue, so of course once you group even with one friend you end up cuing in the group cue, and yes of course this will make it harder to group with new starts, but its not PGI's fault.
Two of the pilot skills do nothing which is annoying and frustrating, but hardly game breaking, and again were taken out to help improve people experience with high pings ( PGI are never going to have the player base to have european servers, North american servers and asian servers to put back convergence which again enough of the player base don't want put back in because it would make their experience worse, this world server is also a big factor behind bad HSR)
The Jump jet exploit PGI fixed over a month ago.
Quirks you have a valid point in some area's where the quirk is extreme mechs like the Hunchback 4G and Grid Iron are over quirked, where quirks have started to be used on clan mechs this is just crazy, as the whole idea of quirks was to make IS mech competitive, and to make less used mechs some what viable, now its being used as a balancing tool. for everthing, though quirks do not make it harder for new starts like you seem to be projecting, I think you just find quirks offensive.
Your c-bill idea though is heavily flawed, as its being used in CW, to little of no effect, so people will just ignore it, what the point in using a bad mech with a bonus, when you can play a good mech, and do more damage and get a better reward, and if you make the reward so big, that you can just turn up, do a point of damage and then suicide, that's exactly what people will do, to exploit the system.
So basically your leaving because you don't like the new player experience of which as many of the issues have been caused by the players as much as PGI.
You don't like the quirk system, a personal choice.
You don't like the fact PGI are making maps for CW and not arena fighting.
You might be trying to sound reasonable, but at the end of the day your post is of the same value as a person that says PGI you suck and then uninstals, and your going to be even more annoying and childish by filling up the website with your passive aggressive you tube posts.
I'm starting to understand finally why Russ doesn't come here, and I feel very sorry for Tina B who has to shuffle and filter through all the angst and white noise for sensible opinions
Edited by Cathy, 15 June 2015 - 03:09 AM.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:17 AM
Cathy, on 15 June 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:
I'm starting to understand finally why Russ doesn't come here, and I feel very sorry for Tina B who has to shuffle and filter through all the angst and white noise for sensible opinions
We were hoping you would understand how Russ feels......
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:30 AM
Grisbane, on 15 June 2015 - 03:23 AM, said:
please explain why WoT is pay to win.. something tells me you have no clue what the term means and are slamming the game just to slam it with no real clue what you are talking about. considering PGI tries to emulate the same business model.. you are slandering this game as well.
not counting the access to tanks etc...
they sell better ammo for real money, not enough p2w for you?
Edited by bad arcade kitty, 15 June 2015 - 03:30 AM.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:30 AM
I've been telling myself I needed an MWO break for a couple months now. Normaly my team takes off part of the summer and I enjoy some free time. This year they decided to push through and that is exactly what it is, pushing through.
I love the game but sometimes you just need to step out and do something different for a little while. I just bought Homeworld Remastered set on steam sale for $14 and upgraded my Rise of Flight Hangar, so I think once my bit of premium time spends out I'll take a short break as well.
This game has so many issues and IMHO has gone beyond the point of no return with expensive economy, hitreg, lack of content and maps. I could complain about it till the cows come home but just not interested in twitter feeds. Best to take a break and come back refreshed and enjoy the game I love even with its flaws. I should go upstairs anyway and see if my wife still lives here, it's been a year or so.
I love the game but sometimes you just need to step out and do something different for a little while. I just bought Homeworld Remastered set on steam sale for $14 and upgraded my Rise of Flight Hangar, so I think once my bit of premium time spends out I'll take a short break as well.
This game has so many issues and IMHO has gone beyond the point of no return with expensive economy, hitreg, lack of content and maps. I could complain about it till the cows come home but just not interested in twitter feeds. Best to take a break and come back refreshed and enjoy the game I love even with its flaws. I should go upstairs anyway and see if my wife still lives here, it's been a year or so.
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 03:33 AM
Mudhutwarrior, on 15 June 2015 - 03:17 AM, said:
We were hoping you would understand how Russ feels......
I'm surprised it took Russ as long as it did. I feel sorry for Tina, she is stuck in the middle. A bit like the game reps for TT. We got the word from the DEVs relayed it to the players (what we were allowed to) and then got the backlash from teh players who didn't like it. Tina's Job can be... crappy to say the least.
I HAD to be 100% behind the new rule books as a Commando... in public. With my friends and to the DEVs I was asking, "Why do want to buy these hard bound books when we HAVE all teh rules already? I mean if you don't have the old books Yeah the new hardbounds are great... But I have already bought 4 copies(Original, Update, Upgrade, Revised) of every TRO with a new cover and different fluff and art. Maybe 3 new Mechs. Now I'm looking at another $120+ for 4 books?
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