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[White Panther]

You're not even hiding very well OP.

See, the trick is to get into spots where even if coords are revealed, they either still can't see you or get to you. I've done this many times, and its hilarious.

Some simple tips: jump jets help tremendously to get into those spots. When you shut down, always face the wall. This makes it so your dead team can't yell to the mechs are walking by. Keep in mind sounds can be heard of mechs and weapons fire still. Also your derp team get to view PGI's wonderful high res textures up close and personal. Hehe, kind of like the misbehaving student forced to stand and face the wall.

Frozen city: to get up in those buildings at the back spawn area, there is a nice ledge between two walls, very tough to get spotted.

River city night: fun spot here, a ledge halfway up a tower by citidel. Jump up there and watch the clueless derps down below helplessly search if you prefer not to face the wall.

Tourmaline: jump up to the crystals many different places along the map boundary. Some spots its absolutely impossible to get shot, only artys will hit you.

Forest colony: one spawn has an awsome hidden ledge near the boundary line. Jump up and hide in the pocket. Other spawn, jump up high onto ledges near the waterfall, blend in, watch the derps down below.

Caustic: tough one here, takes a true master to hide this one out. Try ledges in the factory, tough to stay hidden though.

Mining colony; if you can jump to one of the highest smoke towers, them its awsome. Watch them down below or stay in the middle and wait it out.

Just a few of my spots here...

[Mystere]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

Also, lets assume we are all telepathic and know that he powered down "to protect his k/d ratio"

The proper response to that is to report him after the match has *ended*, not commit Team Treason.


What these people are really doing is betraying his position before the match has ended, and then hiding behind the rules against non-participation. They simply want the match over quicker so they can drop quicker, else they would handle this the proper way by reporting him after the match ends rather than giving out his position. They deserve a "holiday" from the game.

Unfortunately <male bodily part>s will always be <male bodily part>s.

[HammerMaster]

Clear cut.
Team Treason.
End of story.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 June 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

is that the only mech you own?

So I should let some derp dictate what mech I use? Not gonna be happy about that.

[bad arcade kitty]

imo pgi should address it

it's understandable that people don't want to wait for 5+ minutes if somebody hides but it's not the problem with those who hide, it's the problem with how skirmish (and to the less extent, assault) is designed

such a situation can appear in assault too. if one hides on the base and the second team is too weak to storm the base, i had a game like that, we had 4 cored mechs 25-50% of hp, my crow (the most damaged), stalker and 2 ravens (one of those was our healthiest with 50% hp), and after we lost one, stalker, trying to get the last enemy mech, an equally damaged nova, we had to simply wait for 5 minutes to win by number

imo for skirmish and assault in a case if there was no fight for 1-2 minutes the game should end early
(and at the same time they should forbid /all chat for dead till people lose this habit of betraying their teammates)

for conquest it's perfectly normal, it's the best mode where if you hide you don't make others wait for several minutes and where you can win without fighting too

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 19 June 2015 - 05:29 PM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"Did you explain that to your team?"

Why is the burden to explain always put on the last man standing? He's got other things to worry about, while they are just dead spectators. I have NEVER seen a Team Traitor ask "what are you doing?"

I know why - because the issue is not really what the last man standing is up to. They never ask because they don't really care. They just want him to die quicker so they can drop in the next match quicker.

[Mystere]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 June 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

imo for skirmish and assault in a case if there was no fight for 1-2 minutes the game should end early

I disagree. I was once in a 1x3 fight with 8 minutes to go. I spent 6 minutes making the enemy vainly look for me while I stalked them. I then used the remaining time to kill all three with 10 seconds to spare.

I imagine the idiots calling for me to offer myself for slaughter dropped their jaw below ground level.

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

"Did you explain that to your team?"

Why is the burden to explain always put on the last man standing? He's got other things to worry about, while they are just dead spectators. I have NEVER seen a Team Traitor ask "what are you doing?"

I know why - because the issue is not really what the last man standing is up to. They never ask because they don't really care. They just want him to die quicker so they can drop in the next match quicker.

Because the idiots who died early are totally incapable of understanding the situation at hand, precisely because they're idiots.

Edited by Mystere, 19 June 2015 - 05:36 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Mystere, on 19 June 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

I disagree. I was once in a 1x3 fight with 8 minutes to go. I spent 6 minutes making the enemy vainly look for me while I stalked them. I then used the remaining time to kill all three with 10 seconds to spare.

I imagine the idiots calling for me to offer myself for slaughter dropped their jaw below ground level.

well, let's make it... if nobody on one of the teams moves/leaves the base for n minutes or if somebody is shutdown for n minutes

i think it's possible to find a way to automatically determine if the game still lasts or one simply hides waiting for the end

upd: well, may be it should be for skirmish only because for assault it would rob it of defending at the base part, i dunno, but i guess something can be introduced

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 19 June 2015 - 05:42 PM.

[Mystere]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 June 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

well, let's make it... if nobody on one of the teams moves/leaves the base for n minutes or if somebody is shutdown for n minutes

i think it's possible to find a way to automatically determine if the game still lasts or one simply hides waiting for the end

upd: well, may be it should be for skirmish only because for assault it would rob it of defending at the base part, i dunno, but i guess something can be introduced

My thinking is that because everyone agreed to sign up for a potentially 15-minute fight, letting the fight go down the wire is totally acceptable. Those who cannot wait can always quit. No one is forcing them to stay around.

Edited by Mystere, 19 June 2015 - 05:44 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 19 June 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

So I should let some derp dictate what mech I use? Not gonna be happy about that.

so you have more right to determine things than any other derp in the game?

Your happiness is irrelevant. If a person shuts down, with no intent on fighting, they are griefing. You report them and move on. If you give their location, YOU are griefing and can be reported, and eventually banned. Move on, run another mech for 5-15 precious minutes, because, seriously, it's a game, get over it. File your report and life goes on.

As I said, happiness is not the issue. It's just common sense.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 19 June 2015 - 05:50 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Mystere, on 19 June 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

My thinking is that because everyone agreed to sign up for a potentially 15-minute fight, letting the fight go down the wire is totally acceptable. Those who cannot wait can always quit. No one is forcing them to stay around.

well i personally accept the possible 15 minute waiting but a way to end some games early would improve the overall game quality imo

i have yet another idea, even a simpler and probably better one, a surrender button which is only active if you are the last member alive on your team (and aren't shot at/spotted for a minute, to avoid using it as a kill deny button), using it shouldn't count as death to you; hm, i like this idea, i dunno about you :3

well your team may try to force you to press it though but you can tell them go and ... do something

Bishop Steiner, on 19 June 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

If a person shuts down, they are grieving.

depends on the situation

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 19 June 2015 - 06:02 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 June 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

so you have more right to determine things than any other derp in the game?

Your happiness is irrelevant. If a person shuts down, with no intent on fighting, they are griefing. You report them and move on. If you give their location, YOU are griefing and can be reported, and eventually banned. Move on, run another mech for 5-15 precious minutes, because, seriously, it's a game, get over it. File your report and life goes on.

As I said, happiness is not the issue. It's just common sense.

Whatever, he is still a lamer in my book.

-reorganizes lances for no reason
-hides and shoots lurms all match until he is the only one left
-shuts down to waste time
-comes and whines on the forums about how he was such a hero and his team betrayed him

I honestly don't really care, but I certainly would not take his side in this case.

[Slepnir]

lunatic-
.did you fire on the enemy and do damage prior to this point in the game?
-if yes, you have participated in the match according to the written rules posted for code of conduct.

you cannot be reported for non-participation, well they can try, but since you didn't break the rules nothing will happen

Reporting team position NO MATTER THE SITUATION is team treason in the code of conduct, and you can be banned for it. report them and move on. time out is a rule in every drop, if players cannot handle being in a match for a possible full 15minutes because it will ruin their existence perhaps they need to find a different game to play.

Edited by Slepnir, 19 June 2015 - 06:08 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 19 June 2015 - 06:02 PM, said:

Whatever, he is still a lamer in my book.

-reorganizes lances for no reason
-hides and shoots lurms all match until he is the only one left
-shuts down to waste time
-comes and whines on the forums about how he was such a hero and his team betrayed him

I honestly don't really care, but I certainly would not take his side in this case.

And I didn't. There is bad reasoning on both "sides".

Multiple acts of idiocy/immaturity helps nothing.

[Moomtazz]

LMAO @ "TEAM TREASON"

[CptGier]

Well, did ya win?

[MechWarrior3671771]

"LMAO @ TEAM TREASON"


That's the term the game devs use to define it. Perhaps you should direct your laughter at them.

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 19 June 2015 - 06:50 PM.

[Moomtazz]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

"LMAO @ TEAM TREASON"


That's the term the game devs use to define it. Perhaps you should direct your laughter at them.

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position

I'm laughing at whoever coined it or uses it. I don't give a ****.

[Xetelian]

Just don't be that guy.

When people narc you out you're usually doing something like hiding.

[Lunatic_Asylum]

oldradagast, on 19 June 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Lol... I was in that match, and while I didn't actually call out his coordinates, let's review a few facts that were conveniently omitted by our brave OP:

1) Lunatic spent the entire pre-match order shuffling people around between lances like somebody playing 3-card Monty. There was no reason given for this, and if you start a match by pissing everyone off, don't expect them to be kind to you later on.

2) Lunatic ends up the last man left and immediately hides and powers down, making a big show about how he was "going to fight them" over and over again. Except when I could HEAR THE ENEMY FOOTSTEPS approaching while spectating, he just sat there, doing nothing. And the enemies then killed him without him even powering up or getting another shot off.

Next time, tell the whole story - particularly the part when you ticked off your whole team by playing "shuffle the lances around because I'm a funny guy!" - and thus earned whatever abuse they gave you later for hiding.

I was trying to place WMC members (we were split up) in one group, and the rest in the other. I did not have time to do only one last move and place alll members of one clan into one lance. I wanted to be in a lance with my clan mate. I wanted everyone from other clans to be in their lances as well. Is that really a bad thing that makes me a "clown", "special", "troll", and someone who is "trying to disrepute the whole team"?
(By the way, I changed my nickname this month, but that does not matter.)

I was up on the hill, helped killing the enemy below with LRMs. As soon as the penultimate member dies, I stepped down half-way and waited for the enemy to come. I also powered down to disappear from radars. Is that really a disreputing cowardly tactic? I would power up, toss masses of LRM and cover it with lasers and PPCs, so that the shake disorients the enemy.

If you heard the enemy footsteps, then it does not mean that they could see me that easily. I expected them to go down.

As soon as I shut down (not even a minute passed!), and drop my line, I get revealed by a team mate.

Edited by Lunatic_Asylum, 20 June 2015 - 01:40 AM.