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[Alan Davion]

stjobe, on 23 June 2015 - 10:11 AM, said:

With the recent poll, the (P) 'mechs are effectively sacrosanct too.

Like I said in my previous post, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that you're not going to get a participation trophy for something you didn't participate in, whether it is the founder program or the limited-time phoenix offer.

Until I see a post by Russ either here or on Twitter saying that, then no, they are not sacrosanct. In the players eyes, yes, but until there is an official word by PGI on it, they are not.

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

An they can have 3 bloody more, what don't you understand about exclusive means?

You can buy the same mechs just without the exclusive part for game wsie it's even but now u want the exclusive part also cause you joined up late and now want to be like the cool kids?

too bad so sad, move on, your wasting space

And did you ignore my point about how Turn 10 and Forza conduct their 'exclusive' content? Because from your elitist attitude, I can only assume you did. Also, you're clearly wasting just as much space as I am, so your really not proving anything.

It's good financial sense to offer something for a 'limited time' at first, as they do when they release a new game with 'exclusive' content, and then open it up later for people who missed out for whatever reason. PGI tried to do this, and they got shot in the foot over it by a portion of the community.

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

Well u keep pushing to get it and we'll keep pushing to quit if u do, hows that sound.

you miss the bus, too bad so sad, just walk and get over it already.

Once again, elitist attitude. You come at me like that, and you're just making my point all the more valid.

Come at me with a reasonable argument, otherwise, don't bother.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Until I see a post by Russ either here or on Twitter saying that, then no, they are not sacrosanct. In the players eyes, yes, but until there is an official word by PGI on it, they are not.



And did you ignore my point about how Turn 10 and Forza conduct their 'exclusive' content? Because from your elitist attitude, I can only assume you did. Also, you're clearly wasting just as much space as I am, so your really not proving anything.

It's good financial sense to offer something for a 'limited time' at first, as they do when they release a new game with 'exclusive' content, and then open it up later for people who missed out for whatever reason. PGI tried to do this, and they got shot in the foot over it by a portion of the community.



Once again, elitist attitude. You come at me like that, and you're just making my point all the more valid.

Come at me with a reasonable argument, otherwise, don't bother.

Reasonable argument, really, Mr Pot?

Ok, simple, basic, reasonable argument...

Exclusive http://dictionary.re...rowse/exclusive

Now, please point out where that word, exclusive, means everyone and anyone who wants it can have it when it's applied to something like ingame content.

THAT is why some things aren't obtainable by anyone and everyone, they are exclusive. I'm sorry Mr Millennial that you can't have everything and anything you want, but unlike what your mommy and daddy told you while they were hovering around you all the time, that's not how things really work in real life as a grown up.

[Hades Trooper]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Until I see a post by Russ either here or on Twitter saying that, then no, they are not sacrosanct. In the players eyes, yes, but until there is an official word by PGI on it, they are not.



And did you ignore my point about how Turn 10 and Forza conduct their 'exclusive' content? Because from your elitist attitude, I can only assume you did. Also, you're clearly wasting just as much space as I am, so your really not proving anything.

It's good financial sense to offer something for a 'limited time' at first, as they do when they release a new game with 'exclusive' content, and then open it up later for people who missed out for whatever reason. PGI tried to do this, and they got shot in the foot over it by a portion of the community.



Once again, elitist attitude. You come at me like that, and you're just making my point all the more valid.

Come at me with a reasonable argument, otherwise, don't bother.

What don't you understand about exlusive? part of the sales pitch was these would never been up again for sale.

To do otherwise is a breach of Australian consumer laws. Does PGI want a law suit? hows that for reasonable.

So how about you be reasonable and accept you missed out, you can buy the same mechs and have the same in game experience, except you feel left out cause you don't have the shinies.

who really is the whinging little {Dezgra} when your making a thread QQ ing about, i didn't get shinies, i mnissed out, it's not fair.

Lifes not fair, get over it or go cry in the corner no one cares about your little whiny {Dezgra} complaints on how u missed out, please make me feel special

Kristov Kerensky, on 23 June 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

Reasonable argument, really, Mr Pot?

THAT is why some things aren't obtainable by anyone and everyone, they are exclusive. I'm sorry Mr Millennial that you can't have everything and anything you want, but unlike what your mommy and daddy told you while they were hovering around you all the time, that's not how things really work in real life as a grown up.

dude you made me actually laugh out loud when i read that last paragraph.

[Alan Davion]

Kristov Kerensky, on 23 June 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

Reasonable argument, really, Mr Pot?

Now, please point out where that word, exclusive, means everyone and anyone who wants it can have it when it's applied to something like ingame content.

And yet again, another elitist.

Turn10, Forza Motorsport. Exclusive content in Day One/Limited Editions. Which is then released to the general public at a later date.

I'm really just laughing now at all these attempts to defend the 'exclusivity' here.

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 10:49 AM, said:

What don't you understand about exlusive? part of the sales pitch was these would never been up again for sale.

To do otherwise is a breach of Australian consumer laws. Does PGI want a law suit? hows that for reasonable.

So how about you be reasonable and accept you missed out, you can buy the same mechs and have the same in game experience, except you feel left out cause you don't have the shinies.

who really is the whinging little {Dezgra} when your making a thread QQ ing about, i didn't get shinies, i mnissed out, it's not fair.

Lifes not fair, get over it or go cry in the corner no one cares about your little whiny {Dezgra} complaints on how u missed out, please make me feel special

See my comment about Forza. I understand the word just fine, I'm saying the way it was used was wrong.

Also, I didn't make the thread, I'm just defending the OP's point of view. So you're argument is invalid there.

Again, still laughing at how vehemently you and others are defending that tiny little word.

So when do we see Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 closed down in the web store? Because as you say, those mechs are available for C-Bills, so it's clearly time for them to be in-game only.

[Revis Volek]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

And yet again, another elitist.

Turn10, Forza Motorsport. Exclusive content in Day One/Limited Editions. Which is then released to the general public at a later date.

I'm really just laughing now at all these attempts to defend the 'exclusivity' here.



See my comment about Forza. I understand the word just fine, I'm saying the way it was used was wrong.

Also, I didn't make the thread, I'm just defending the OP's point of view. So you're argument is invalid there.

Again, still laughing at how vehemently you and others are defending that tiny little word.

So when do we see Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 closed down in the web store? Because as you say, those mechs are available for C-Bills, so it's clearly time for them to be in-game only.

That was FORZAS mistake.....not PGI's. All they have to do to make that sounds is have some small print at the bottom (exclusive for a limted time) Boom problem solved. Im sure FORZA had been saying they would be avail to the general public all along where as MWO has NEVER said that and stuck to their guns for the most part (not on it all though).

Nothing about the in game mechs is EXCLUSIVE, but you cannot buy ANY (I) Invasion Prime variants in game or (r0 or even Founders because....

THEY WERE EXCLUSIVE AND CAME WITH THE MECH PACKS!

So if you want them you must BUY IT FROM THE STORE, if you buy it in game you dont get an (I) variant. That's the EXCLUSIVE part of it....not that you could only get it for a limited time it that if you pay REAL MONEY you get the EXCLUSIVE stuff.

AS far as founders and other things they were exclusive because they WERE LIMITED and only went to those who MET THE GUIDELINES to get them.

You dont seem to understand what that word (exclusive) means just fine at all....kinda funny really. You can argue all you want but you wont change the definition of exclusive here on the MWO forums bud.

Semantics may alter the perception of a word but it doesn't change its definition they were are are EXCLUSIVE and still hold true to that claim.

If you want it jump through the hoops to get it or get on board early enough....simple as that.

Edited by DarthRevis, 23 June 2015 - 11:05 AM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

And yet again, another elitist.

Turn10, Forza Motorsport. Exclusive content in Day One/Limited Editions. Which is then released to the general public at a later date.

I'm really just laughing now at all these attempts to defend the 'exclusivity' here.



See my comment about Forza. I understand the word just fine, I'm saying the way it was used was wrong.

Also, I didn't make the thread, I'm just defending the OP's point of view. So you're argument is invalid there.

Again, still laughing at how vehemently you and others are defending that tiny little word.

So when do we see Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 closed down in the web store? Because as you say, those mechs are available for C-Bills, so it's clearly time for them to be in-game only.

Just because another company doesn't understand what exclusive means doesn't make it right or set a precedent, it simply means that THAT company can't be trusted to follow their own word.

Why are the Clan Wave I and II, Urby, and Resistance I still in the shop? Because those packages come with EXCLUSIVE Mechs which have unique geometry and cbill bonuses, that's why, and those cost real world money. Again, that word, exclusive, you keep using it, I do not think it means what you think it means, even after I gave you the link to it's actual definition, you still insist on using it wrong and pointing out where one company screwed up as if that was the way it's supposed to work.

It has nothing to do with being elitist, it has to do with the fact that exclusive has a meaning, and not following that meaning is wrong and would probably result in PGI being sued, since so many countries, including Canada, have laws pertaining to that sort of thing. I would assume you know what laws are, but I could be wrong about that, many Millennials seem to be under the impression that law is just the first word of a TV show's title....

[CDLord HHGD]

stjobe, on 23 June 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

Most games have exclusive items you had to be there to get; whether it's a special first anniversary item, a competition/contest reward, or whatever - their "value" lies in not everyone having them; they're a kind of a badge you wear to say "I was there".

It's the same with the Founder 'mechs and their camo, the Phoenix (P) 'mechs and their camo, and a few other odds and ends (the Sarah's Jenner for example, or the NVidia fairy, which was a promo that ended years ago).

You just have to deal with the fact that you cannot get a participation reward for something you did not participate in.

I really miss my Warhammer Online Dwarf beard keg....

[Hades Trooper]

Kristov Kerensky, on 23 June 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

Just because another company doesn't understand what exclusive means doesn't make it right or set a precedent, it simply means that THAT company can't be trusted to follow their own word.

many Millennials seem to be under the impression that law is just the first word of a TV show's title....

law is just the first word of a TV show's title. LOL it's past 5am stop making me alugh so loud my neighbours might complain

[Kristov Kerensky]

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

law is just the first word of a TV show's title. LOL it's past 5am stop making me alugh so loud my neighbours might complain

Glad I could keep you entertained Sore spot with me actually, I have to deal with Millennials all the time and they drive me right up the wall with their demands that they be treated in ways that they haven't earned or are actually entitled to. My own children, who are Millenials, don't do that, mainly because I didn't teach them to be that way. Hard work gets you rewarded, you don't get your way just because, and if you didn't win then you lost and there's no prize for losing, unless you consider dad making fun of you for losing a prize(they still don't like that much, and I still do it even though they are all grown adults!).

[Alan Davion]

DarthRevis, on 23 June 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

That was FORZAS mistake.....not PGI's.

All they have to do to make that sounds is have some small print at the bottom (exclusive for a limted time) Boom problem solved. Im sure FORZA had been saying they would be avail to the general public all along where as MWO has NEVER said that and stuck to their guns for the most part (not on it all though).

OMG, I actually almost fell out of my chair over that I was laughing so hard.

You've got that completely bassackwards.

I'll leave you to see if you can comprehend how horribly you managed to screw up your point there.

Kristov Kerensky, on 23 June 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

Just because another company doesn't understand what exclusive means doesn't make it right or set a precedent, it simply means that THAT company can't be trusted to follow their own word.

Why are the Clan Wave I and II, Urby, and Resistance I still in the shop? Because those packages come with EXCLUSIVE Mechs which have unique geometry and cbill bonuses, that's why, and those cost real world money. Again, that word, exclusive, you keep using it, I do not think it means what you think it means, even after I gave you the link to it's actual definition, you still insist on using it wrong and pointing out where one company screwed up as if that was the way it's supposed to work.

It has nothing to do with being elitist, it has to do with the fact that exclusive has a meaning, and not following that meaning is wrong and would probably result in PGI being sued, since so many countries, including Canada, have laws pertaining to that sort of thing. I would assume you know what laws are, but I could be wrong about that, many Millennials seem to be under the impression that law is just the first word of a TV show's title....

You've made the same mistake that Darth did.

And you know what, I'll humor you and Darth. If anything, Turn10 has been far more successful with their 'exclusive' content usage than PGI has, because they prevent just this sort of argument from ever occurring.

By offering the content with the Day One/Limited Edition games, they attract those that are able to pre-order the more expensive offerings, and by offering that same content at a later date, they attract those that might have missed out on the first run either because they didn't know about it, or were limited on funds at the time.

The people who got the first run get to enjoy their 'exclusive' content for however long it takes before the content is made available to those who missed out on the early run for whatever reason.

Ergo, good business sense.

And again, the special Phoenix mechs had those same geometry/c-bill boost. As so many people have said, the base mechs are available for c-bills without the geo/bonus.

Oh, and guess what, so are the Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 mechs! Those base mechs are all now available for c-bills, so by the logic most Phoenix owners have displayed, it would appear to be time for those portions of the store to be shut down, don't you agree?

Once more, you can't have it both ways. If one set of 'special' mechs are to be kept 'exclusive', then all other 'special' mechs should have to keep to the same 'exclusive' standard.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

OMG, I actually almost fell out of my chair over that I was laughing so hard.

You've got that completely bassackwards.

I'll leave you to see if you can comprehend how horribly you managed to screw up your point there.



You've made the same mistake that Darth did.

And you know what, I'll humor you and Darth. If anything, Turn10 has been far more successful with their 'exclusive' content usage than PGI has, because they prevent just this sort of argument from ever occurring.

By offering the content with the Day One/Limited Edition games, they attract those that are able to pre-order the more expensive offerings, and by offering that same content at a later date, they attract those that might have missed out on the first run either because they didn't know about it, or were limited on funds at the time.

The people who got the first run get to enjoy their 'exclusive' content for however long it takes before the content is made available to those who missed out on the early run for whatever reason.

Ergo, good business sense.

And again, the special Phoenix mechs had those same geometry/c-bill boost. As so many people have said, the base mechs are available for c-bills without the geo/bonus.

Oh, and guess what, so are the Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 mechs! Those base mechs are all now available for c-bills, so by the logic most Phoenix owners have displayed, it would appear to be time for those portions of the store to be shut down, don't you agree?

Once more, you can't have it both ways. If one set of 'special' mechs are to be kept 'exclusive', then all other 'special' mechs should have to keep to the same 'exclusive' standard.

And the bad business practices of 1 company doesn't make for the rule, it's the exception, and a bad one at that. Wonder how many lawsuits they've had to fend off with settlements, seeing how so many countries have consumer laws that make offering 'exclusives' for a limited time and then later on allowing anyone to get those exclusives, illegal.

The Clan Waves, Urby and Resistance have exclusive Mechs that you have to buy for cash, and they are STILL on sale for a simple reason, which keeps escaping you like Jerry does Tom. It's why people want the Phoenix packages re-offered and why PGI won't do it since the purchases of those packages voted NO. THOSE were offered as a limited time only exclusive packages. And PGI won't be offering it up for sale anytime soon due to that little bit about the law and limited time offer only exclusive being offered up again being illegal. You can sit there and think you are being all smart and such, but I'll let you in on a little secret....

You aren't so smart, no matter what mommy and daddy told you.

[stjobe]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

Once more, you can't have it both ways. If one set of 'special' mechs are to be kept 'exclusive', then all other 'special' mechs should have to keep to the same 'exclusive' standard.

But they can most assuredly have it both ways. There's no contradiction.

The (P) 'mechs were sold under the condition they were only available for that sale, never again to be available. No other pack has had those terms; I guess PGI realized it was a bad marketing move to so boldly state "once more, never again". Either way, the following packs didn't have those terms, so that kind of exclusivity does not apply to them.

But that doesn't change the terms of the Phoenix sale; it used its exclusivity to boost sales, and for that reason alone they cannot make it non-exclusive.

The following packs have another kind of exclusivity; the {R} and (I) 'mechs can only be had by purchasing a pack. You can get the base variants of every single 'mech except the Urbies for CB, but the special variants are either cash-only or non-procurable.

You can harp on about it all you like, but if I were you I'd take a good look at the support you're getting from your fellow posters, and realize you're tilting at the proverbial windmills here.

The fact that the (P) 'mechs are exclusive does not prohibit a Phoenix II pack without those 'mechs.
The fact that the (F) and (P) 'mechs cannot be procured does not mean that {R} and (I) 'mechs cannot be exclusive to the cash store, nor does it mean that any other 'mechs also have to become non-procurable.

In short, you're wrong. On several and quite fundamental points.

Edit:

cdlord, on 23 June 2015 - 11:07 AM, said:

I really miss my Warhammer Online Dwarf beard keg....

Filfy stuntie!

Edited by stjobe, 23 June 2015 - 12:00 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

OMG, I actually almost fell out of my chair over that I was laughing so hard.

You've got that completely bassackwards.

I'll leave you to see if you can comprehend how horribly you managed to screw up your point there.



You've made the same mistake that Darth did.

And you know what, I'll humor you and Darth. If anything, Turn10 has been far more successful with their 'exclusive' content usage than PGI has, because they prevent just this sort of argument from ever occurring.

By offering the content with the Day One/Limited Edition games, they attract those that are able to pre-order the more expensive offerings, and by offering that same content at a later date, they attract those that might have missed out on the first run either because they didn't know about it, or were limited on funds at the time.

The people who got the first run get to enjoy their 'exclusive' content for however long it takes before the content is made available to those who missed out on the early run for whatever reason.

Ergo, good business sense.

And again, the special Phoenix mechs had those same geometry/c-bill boost. As so many people have said, the base mechs are available for c-bills without the geo/bonus.

Oh, and guess what, so are the Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 mechs! Those base mechs are all now available for c-bills, so by the logic most Phoenix owners have displayed, it would appear to be time for those portions of the store to be shut down, don't you agree?

Once more, you can't have it both ways. If one set of 'special' mechs are to be kept 'exclusive', then all other 'special' mechs should have to keep to the same 'exclusive' standard.

What?

I dont think you understand Business, this game or the English language very well. You are very wrong on all accounts and it seems you are lacking in a few core concepts.

It is NOT good business sense to sell things as exclusive time and time because that is defeating the definition of that word. If you are too dumb to understand what words mean and think it a good deal even though it will be sold again in x amount of time then you are to blame not the company.

I bought the Clan packs for the Cbill boost mechs and the Premium time i was offered with the packs.....those were the exclusive items. But just because they were exclusive DOES NOT mean they were also only available for a limited time. They are still exclusive and still available....so why would they close down that part of the store?

You still dont seem to understand what exclusive means and its does not mean LIMITED TIME or LIMITED QUANTITY it just means ITS EXCLUSIVE TO THESE REQUIREMENTS....for MWO its paying real money for them. For the Founder stuff it was also LIMITED TIME because it was buring Closed Beta....which did end therefore the EXCLUSIVE things that came along with it ALSO ended.

[Herr Vorragend]

@Alan: please stop wasting our and your time.

Back then phoenix had in it's FAQ, that it will NEVER (written in big letters) be sold again. Officially by PGI. This was part of the deal and a very important one imho. I will search the screenshot tomorrow for you or you can search it for yourself within the phoenix-poll-thread.

Phoenix will, like the founders program, stay closed.

Get over it and please stop moaning and arguing like a five years old child.
Thank you

[Alan Davion]

Kristov Kerensky, on 23 June 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

And the bad business practices of 1 company doesn't make for the rule, it's the exception, and a bad one at that. Wonder how many lawsuits they've had to fend off with settlements, seeing how so many countries have consumer laws that make offering 'exclusives' for a limited time and then later on allowing anyone to get those exclusives, illegal.

And you know what, I'm pretty sure the answer is a big fat goose egg on that account, because they chose their legalese specifically to avoid that outcome, just as they've avoided the communal outcry like what happened over the Phoenix mechs.

If Turn10 had been sued into the ground, or even threatened to be sued into the ground, as you seem to think, we wouldn't be getting Forza 6 come September, so, yeah, you just lost that argument.

Go take a look on Youtune for the Forza 6 Limited Edition XBox One Console if you don't believe me.

Herr Vorragend, on 23 June 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

@Alan: please stop wasting our and your time.

Back then phoenix had in it's FAQ, that it will NEVER (written in big letters) be sold again. Officially by PGI. This was part of the deal and a very important one imho. I will search the screenshot tomorrow for you or you can search it for yourself within the phoenix-poll-thread.

Phoenix will, like the founders program, stay closed.

Get over it and please stop moaning and arguing like a five years old child.
Thank you

No offense, but it's my time to waste. If you want to stop wasting your time with these threads, why did you bother responding in this one?

[CDLord HHGD]

stjobe, on 23 June 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

But they can most assuredly have it both ways. There's no contradiction.

The (P) 'mechs were sold under the condition they were only available for that sale, never again to be available. No other pack has had those terms; I guess PGI realized it was a bad marketing move to so boldly state "once more, never again". Either way, the following packs didn't have those terms, so that kind of exclusivity does not apply to them.

But that doesn't change the terms of the Phoenix sale; it used its exclusivity to boost sales, and for that reason alone they cannot make it non-exclusive.

The following packs have another kind of exclusivity; the {R} and (I) 'mechs can only be had by purchasing a pack. You can get the base variants of every single 'mech except the Urbies for CB, but the special variants are either cash-only or non-procurable.

You can harp on about it all you like, but if I were you I'd take a good look at the support you're getting from your fellow posters, and realize you're tilting at the proverbial windmills here.

The fact that the (P) 'mechs are exclusive does not prohibit a Phoenix II pack without those 'mechs.
The fact that the (F) and (P) 'mechs cannot be procured does not mean that {R} and (I) 'mechs cannot be exclusive to the cash store, nor does it mean that any other 'mechs also have to become non-procurable.

In short, you're wrong. On several and quite fundamental points.

Edit:

Filfy stuntie!

Thrasch says hi!

[SnowDragon]

Had to log in just to post here.

OP, no. Just no.

Founders and Phoneix programs were sold as being never to be re-issued. That is part of the sale. To reopen such programs now, would mean false advertising then. PGI would get sued off the planet (And there are plenty of whales just itching for a reason to try).

And, for sake of arguement, it don't matter what Forza did when they dropped the ball so hard it killed some fat kid in china, that's an entirely different game.

In an entirely different vein: Aw, diddums, won't your parents pay for special space pixels?

Also: As a founder and purchaser of many packs, no, get ******, you missed that, that's too bad.

[Mirkk Defwode]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

And yet again, another elitist.

Turn10, Forza Motorsport. Exclusive content in Day One/Limited Editions. Which is then released to the general public at a later date.

I'm really just laughing now at all these attempts to defend the 'exclusivity' here.



See my comment about Forza. I understand the word just fine, I'm saying the way it was used was wrong.

Also, I didn't make the thread, I'm just defending the OP's point of view. So you're argument is invalid there.

Again, still laughing at how vehemently you and others are defending that tiny little word.

So when do we see Clan 1/2 and Resistance 1 closed down in the web store? Because as you say, those mechs are available for C-Bills, so it's clearly time for them to be in-game only.

One publisher/studio example doesn't apply to the whole Industry.

Flaming Helmet in Halo3? Only given to Devs and those who got the Collectors Edition. Doesn't even appear in the MMC.
_{But the FOTUS armor from Halo4 for getting the Halo4 console does appear in MCC...It was never advertised as exclusive though, only that it would come with the console as an armor suit.}

Some of the pets given to the original players of ESO are only given to them for "loyalty" as a bonus. They will remain exclusive and won't appear in the market as per the marketing mail when they were awarded.

SWTOR has exclusive items for people who got the collectors edition, they remain not being able to purchase them despite the success of their cartel market.

It's about marketing wording, there is a terms of sale associated with those items and this particular product. If they made an MWO2 that wouldn't be binding any further as it was a sale for that package and this product. Re-releasing them without permission is a violation of that terms of sale. A vote did happen, it was voted down.

I can point at far more exclusives that exist in the games industry that I can at "exclusives" released later. But the wording on those is also not as an "Exclusive" more often than not. It'll be more "Get Access to this before everyone else!" or "Exclusive...to 'x' purchasers for 6 months" Having that in the original wording is the work around. The (P) items did not have that wording.

I should also point out, that Destiny has true exclusives as in items that only appear in the PS4 version of the game and will never appear in the Xbox version. Why? Marketing...and crap tons of money I'm sure. But the PS4 version was marketed as having earlier access and exclusive items compared to the other release platform.

Edited by Mirkk Defwode, 23 June 2015 - 02:35 PM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Alan Davion, on 23 June 2015 - 01:42 PM, said:

And you know what, I'm pretty sure the answer is a big fat goose egg on that account, because they chose their legalese specifically to avoid that outcome, just as they've avoided the communal outcry like what happened over the Phoenix mechs.

If Turn10 had been sued into the ground, or even threatened to be sued into the ground, as you seem to think, we wouldn't be getting Forza 6 come September, so, yeah, you just lost that argument.

Go take a look on Youtune for the Forza 6 Limited Edition XBox One Console if you don't believe me.



No offense, but it's my time to waste. If you want to stop wasting your time with these threads, why did you bother responding in this one?

Pssst, Forza has nothing exclusive included in any of it's games, unless you consider the fact that they make XBox only games, which is rather exclusive really, since it means PlayStation owners can't get the game. And that's for all the Forza games, they are an XBox exclusive game, from the old original XBox to the XBox One, as that's the only console they make their game for, probably because Turn 10 Studios is a MicroSoft Studios company, go figure right?

As for the limited edition/early access stuff...psst...again, it's not what you think, it's a marketing gimmick that everyone in the console game business does. I got those same 'early access' things with my copy of CoD:AW, which I bought at WalMart without preordering it, since they actually pressed far more copies of that version than they pre-sold. And guess what, none of those are actually marketed as exclusives, they use limited edition and early access as buzzwords to make it SEEM they are rare and special, but if you actually read the advertising, they are clear that it's not exclusive content only availible for a limited time.

Once again, you are not actually as smart as you think, and you really picked a bad example of how 'exclusive content' is done by another company and given to everyone, since there's nothing exclusive in any of the Forza games except the fact that they are XBox exclusive games.

Too bad for you, I make fun of losers, but you may have picked that up already, I know others have. Go find an adult to explain it to you, I'll wait....