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[Hades Trooper]

LordBraxton, on 23 June 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

LOLLOLOLOLOLOL Mine isn't mastered yet, and its only doing like 400-500 in the group queue, but I am trashing the pug queue in my EXE. I like the gargles too tho... masc is god tier

funny u say that, my Dragon 1N stood toe to toe with 2 exe 1 after the other and both little biatches tried to run and retreat and got smashed into tiny little bits.

I said to myself flark it, lets see who willing to play chicken longer.

Both EXE's ran at me firing,1 at a time, took everything to the chest, cored out, tried to back pedal and died horrible tragic firey deaths.

It a peice of crap!

so yeah who gives a flying flark how good u do in a pug land with a group of mates to pad your scores out with, it's inferior in every way.

to say MASC is god mode is obviously u with blinkers on.

LET me point this out, your MASC when used with speed tweak is still slower than a gargoyle, it creates screen shake, it's needs a charge and it can cause you leg damage, how its that better than a mech which moves faster than normally and carries more guns?

Gargoyle < Exe

Gargoyle is a peice of crap , so what does that make the EXE?

[Hades Trooper]

DarthRevis, on 23 June 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

its all about your footwork....use MASC and use it well.

Also what builds are you running?

Lies, lies and more darn lies.

Slower than a gargoyle, less pods space. MASC doesn't even get you to the same speed a gargoyle does and carries less guns with an even bigger CT?

peice of crap

[spottiedogman]

The best load out for me so far has been 2 erll and gauss, I always run max armor or at least as much as possible. I just always seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with this one and in a brawl that happens soon after I do better in my Quickdraw-IV.

[Sarlic]

So what have you learned?

Don't preorder something like this again.

[spottiedogman]

Did not expect power creep and for it to have hit boxes and durability like the Banshee would not have been. I don't even play the meta never have, leveled the golden three and rarely if ever play them. I guess you got the wrong tone from my post, was just stating my opinion of the mech. I will probably try them again latter but they are just not much fun for me to play.

[CygnusX7]

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Lies, lies and more darn lies.

Slower than a gargoyle, less pods space. MASC doesn't even get you to the same speed a gargoyle does and carries less guns with an even bigger CT?

peice of crap

All those who are excited about masc use it for acceleration.

[Escef]

spottiedogman, on 23 June 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

The best load out for me so far has been 2 erll and gauss, I always run max armor or at least as much as possible. I just always seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with this one and in a brawl that happens soon after I do better in my Quickdraw-IV.

I've got one that's LRM15, LRM10, 3.5 tons LRM ammo, 7xERSL, 1xLPL, TC1, 5 extra sinks, near max armor (legs are at 75). Does great, engages at any range. If you don't have access to the D arms, there's always just grabbing the A, armoring it up, and throw on 6xMPL and heat sinks and TC to taste (I use TC6 and 7 extra sinks, you could easily go TC4 and 9 extra sinks if you wanted.).

[spottiedogman]

Thanks Escef!

May try that one later.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Lies, lies and more darn lies.

Slower than a gargoyle, less pods space. MASC doesn't even get you to the same speed a gargoyle does and carries less guns with an even bigger CT?

peice of crap

Though I don't exactly disagree with your assessment there are some problems here. First, the Gargoyle has less tonnage for weapons and equipment than the Executioner, about 5 - 6 tons less. Second, MASC's big impact is on acceleration, not top speed.

I don't have the acceleration stats for both mechs, but I'm sure they can be found. Using those it would not be too difficult to calculate which mech can step out, fire, and return to cover faster, since they both have similar weapon placement and thus similar peeking habits. Based solely on my experience with these mechs, I feel a MASC using Executioner is slightly faster at this manuever.

[Escef]

spottiedogman, on 23 June 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Thanks Escef!

May try that one later.

Remember, activating MASC improves your accel/decel as well as your top speed. You can stop, start, and reverse faster than a mech of your size has ANY business doing.

[Twilight Fenrir]

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

Gargoyle < Exe

Gargoyle is a peice of crap , so what does that make the EXE?

Math was a while ago for you, wasn't it

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

funny u say that, my Dragon 1N stood toe to toe with 2 exe 1 after the other and both little biatches tried to run and retreat and got smashed into tiny little bits.

I said to myself flark it, lets see who willing to play chicken longer.

Both EXE's ran at me firing,1 at a time, took everything to the chest, cored out, tried to back pedal and died horrible tragic firey deaths.

It a peice of crap!

so yeah who gives a flying flark how good u do in a pug land with a group of mates to pad your scores out with, it's inferior in every way.

to say MASC is god mode is obviously u with blinkers on.

Wow, yeah, that you managed to pummel a mech outside of its element clearly says the mech sucks. I know King Crabs are the worst mech ever, because I killed one at 800 meters with LRMS. >>

The Executioner is AMAZING at what it does. And what it does is pop out, dump firepower into you, and scurry back around a corner. It doesn't hill hug well, it building hugs. (it DOES hill hug well on the right kind of hill, and from the right spot on the hill, but that would require greater explaination than I feel like doing from my phone )

The Koala is a magnificent machine. It has its drawbacks, but all mechs do. IMO, its pros greatly outweigh its cons. Even on matches where my team gets stomped, I can pull 600 damage pretty consistently with my Koala Prime. Which has a Gauss and 2 ERPPCs. My other builds don't work quite so well, but I'm still tinkering.

It does jump noticeably better than my Heavy Metal with 5 jjs. It's still not very good, but they are actually useful. And, it's jump DISTANCE with MASC is stupendous. Which... Isn't helpful most of the time, but I've put that to great use on Viridian Bog. You can JUST jump between the two main hills everyone fights on. I've hopped over there, and gotten the drop on sniper mechs several times with hilariously good results.

The mech isn't broken, it just requires a certain playstyle. I would go so far as to say it doesn't need ANY quirks, except a right arm armor buff since it has a shield equipped. It doesn't NEED that one, but all mechs with shiekds get one in MWO Fixing Jump Jets would make me question which I like better, King Crab, or Koala

I'd be willing to bet I could win a one on one fight against any other mech two out of three times in my Koala.

Edited by Twilight Fenrir, 23 June 2015 - 11:46 AM.

[Ultimax]

Escef, on 23 June 2015 - 10:48 AM, said:

I've actually had an easier time with most of my Executioners than with my Ebon Jaguars. Maybe it's because I'm used to playing assault class skirmishers?

It's probably because if you are decent at torso twisting, the EXE can absorb much more punishment than the Ebon Jaguar.

Even torso twisting on the EBJ sometimes you just can't protect your CT.

[Wrathful Scythe]

Every time I drop in my Exe I get the feeling that I am actively gimping my team for not dropping in a KingCrab/DireWolf/Banshee because with those I can carry a game. I have my problems leveling the Exe because I tend to lose more games than with other mechs. I want to like the Gladiator but I havn't found anything to like about it. At least it's better than Mr. Gargles.

And yes, those god damn arms. Who thought it would be good to have the first installed lasers going upwards from the bottom of each arm?! As if those weren't low enough, strapped to the knees.

[Escef]

Wrathful Scythe, on 23 June 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

I have my problems leveling the Exe because I tend to lose more games than with other mechs.

Of my 4 Executioners, the only one with a W/L ratio under 1 is only off by 1 game. If you play the Executioner like a typical assault you are not going to do well. Play it like a mid-sized skirmisher and abuse the hell out of your MASC (at least until you hit 70%) and you will be fine.

[Revis Volek]

CygnusX7, on 23 June 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

All those who are excited about masc use it for acceleration.

YUP!

MASC was not there for a faster top speed, its not meant for that.

But to go from 0-80 in like .03 seconds in a fatty is well worth it, not to mention i can out manuver most lights in this thing when they try to circle me up or get behind me and get my back.

[LordBraxton]

Hades Trooper, on 23 June 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

funny u say that, my Dragon 1N stood toe to toe with 2 exe 1 after the other and both little biatches tried to run and retreat and got smashed into tiny little bits.

I said to myself flark it, lets see who willing to play chicken longer.

Both EXE's ran at me firing,1 at a time, took everything to the chest, cored out, tried to back pedal and died horrible tragic firey deaths.

It a peice of crap!

so yeah who gives a flying flark how good u do in a pug land with a group of mates to pad your scores out with, it's inferior in every way.

to say MASC is god mode is obviously u with blinkers on.

LET me point this out, your MASC when used with speed tweak is still slower than a gargoyle, it creates screen shake, it's needs a charge and it can cause you leg damage, how its that better than a mech which moves faster than normally and carries more guns?

Gargoyle < Exe

Gargoyle is a peice of crap , so what does that make the EXE?

I agree the gargles is crappy, and completely defunct now that we have the EXE, however, if two EXEs went toe to toe with your dragon and lost they werent good shots.

I can melt a dragon side torso in less than 1.5 alphas at 400 meters. 2 alphas at 500-600. If they knew to pick a side torso and aim high they would have XL checked you immediately.

Remember people (including myself obviously) are still getting used to the mech.

However, out of 90 some mechs the Zeus is my best\favorite IS mech, and I love awkward assaults, soooo YMMV

EDIT: come to think of it... I have rarely kept 3 of a single mech, but I have 4 battlemasters, 4 awesomes, 4 banshees, and 4 zeus already mastered... and those are basically my favorite chassis... So maybe I'm weird and the EXE is trash... BRING ON THE POSITIVE QUIRKS!

Edited by LordBraxton, 23 June 2015 - 01:02 PM.

[Aresye]

I've had monstrous games in a Mist Lynx. Doesn't mean it isn't a piece of crap.

Send me a PM when the EXE sees use in the dropdecks for competitive league play, and then I might reconsider. Until then it will remain the horribly mismatched, low-armed, Ritalin-addled niche mech that has no use in higher levels of play where the DWF at 5t heavier will always be the better option.

[Revis Volek]

Aresye Kerensky, on 23 June 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

I've had monstrous games in a Mist Lynx. Doesn't mean it isn't a piece of crap.

Send me a PM when the EXE sees use in the dropdecks for competitive league play, and then I might reconsider. Until then it will remain the horribly mismatched, low-armed, Ritalin-addled niche mech that has no use in higher levels of play where the DWF at 5t heavier will always be the better option.

The topic was not weather or not the SEXE would out power creep the DWF, that fact that you think each mech that will come out has to be better then the next is very funny. NO one here is disputing that the DWF for what it DOES is much better....but i dont fear DWF more then EXE's especially if i am in close range with it and i have a fast mech...DWF dont stand a chance if i can outmaneuver them...

And since when did anyone say anything about league play? or Comp stuff? You are putting words in everyone s mouth with those statements. Power creep DID NOT de throne the DWF....who would have thought.
I knew when the Wave three page went up this would not be a better DWF....i think everyone did.

But i digress, The topic was about the EXE being a gorilla which it is....but its like a Silverback on Speed with a jet pack.

[Twilight Fenrir]

DarthRevis, on 23 June 2015 - 12:50 PM, said:

YUP!

MASC was not there for a faster top speed, its not meant for that.

But to go from 0-80 in like .03 seconds in a fatty is well worth it, not to mention i can out manuver most lights in this thing when they try to circle me up or get behind me and get my back.

No joke. I was on Tourmaline yesterday, and I was all by myself out capping a point with my Koala, and a Hugin pops out from around a rock less than 200 meters away. If you pilot assaults regularly, you know you're pretty much dead when a Hugin gets that close, and you're alone. (Unless you've got a King Crab, or something that can cripple/kill it in one salvo) I beat that Hugin to death with my Koala XD With MASC I could keep inside of its turning radius, and never lose it from my crosshairs. Though, another second in the duel and i would have been dead, I shut down from overheating with the volley that killed the little *******.

I am REALLY looking forward to the Shadow Cat! If the Koala can move THIS well with MASC, imagine what that little monster will do!

Edited by Twilight Fenrir, 23 June 2015 - 02:09 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

DragoonBrigade, on 23 June 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

The Executioner mech is like a gorilla, big chest and low arms.

i heard the same about gargoyle and nova