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cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

learning more social and leadership skills.. man

Yes, all football players are great leaders and social butterflies....the chances of people learning social and leadership skills happen anytime you have to work within a team (this includes team vidya games), regardless of the activity, just saying. Just because one has a physical aspect to the activity doesn't really add to that context.

Edited by WM Quicksilver, 24 June 2015 - 10:31 AM.

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Hyper99, on 24 June 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

I'll bite. Calling a video game in any fashion a sport is hilarious - agreed. However, as a "specialist" anyone has a right to try to compete. If I have enough experience and knowledge on a particular subject that means I am in high demand. Sayin that I shouldn't be awared for my efforts is counter-intuitive. Like anything else in a free market if I like watching a player because he's damn good at MWO, and want to see that player to learn he will get more advertising ability. There's nothin wrong with Mt. Dew realizing video games are a MASSIVE market and advertising to that market, possibly even sponsoring the player. More power to them.

Oh for sure, compete away! I mean there are poker tounaments too right.


Once again, to each their own.

Personally I just cannot take it seriously at all

Edited by cSand, 24 June 2015 - 10:34 AM.

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Kristov Kerensky, on 24 June 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

I see we have many people who know nothing about e-sports.

LoL and CS are both e-sport big games, both have as much content as MWO when it comes to e-sports, both make a lot of money off e-sports, as do some of the top players in those games who get sponsers and so on.

Coca Cola is looking at getting into e-sport sponsership, as is Pepsi and other big name product makers because it's actually becoming a rather huge market.

And MWO being e-sport friendly and directed isn't new, it's been a stated goal since day 1, remember?

Just going to quote this so that people will read it again.

Being a competitive game helps, always.

WM Quicksilver, on 24 June 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:

Yes, all football players are great leaders and social butterflies....the chances of people learning social and leadership skills happen anytime you have to work within a team (this includes team vidya games), regardless of the activity, just saying. Just because one has a physical aspect to the activity doesn't really add to that context.

[Kristov Kerensky]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

And this is the problem, that there is a generation that truly believes that video games are on par with any other competetive activity

That spending hours and hours and days and days practicing video games is in any way something that should be celebrated or encouraged (even though many of us do it.... it is not something to be proud of frankly)

If people spend time running after a ball, or shooting hoops, or swimming, or just about any other competetive thing, they are not only competing, they are getting in shape, learning more social and leadership skills.. man, I can't even explain this to you cause I don't have time or the desire for a huge tirade.

That said, I think MMA is a load of sh*t too, just for completely different reasons.



competetive gaming, lol. this is where millions of years of human evolution has got us. "pro" video gamers and a generation of kids who don't even waste their time playing games, just watching them. I am sad for the future.

Do you actually consider professional bowlers real sportsmen? i mean, it's a pretty damn big industry, pro bowling, making a lot of money for a lot of companies and people, including the 'athletes' who bowl.

I won't even touch on the social skills thing, considering I was an athlete through high school and I can assure you from personal experience, MOST jocks have the social skills of a rabid honey badger, without the intelligence.

[Hades Trooper]

Hyper99, on 24 June 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

It's not my place to say it is or will be one way not the other so I understand why you want to **** esports. But, keeping MWO a robot stompy play a round get out play a round and get out will keep it's life under 5 years. E-sporting it might extend it longer. MWO will survive only so long on the "council of old MW lovers". Embrace change is my mantra here, stagnation is death.

Yeah, 3 things are certain, death, taxes and change.

For the game to change is needs balance and fixing of many fundamental flaws as what true E-sports player is gonna want to play a game that as best a funny joke when u compare it to other E-sports games for many reasons.

fix the core functions, fix issues that have been here since closed beta and then push forward to e-sports mentality. I'm just saying now isn't the time cause if thats the direction u take now u loss so much of the player base i don't think it would live long enough to see the turning of year 1 for MWO as an e-sport.

Is that too much to ask? and say maybe make CW a worthy while thing or should we just say oh well it' was a nice try but not gonna happen. As i can tell you if this game isn't already dead, giving up on Cw will be the games death knell.

an i would think that would be a real shame. regardless of how i come across if i haven't already said it,m i want to back MWO, i want it to thrive, i'vd been here since closed beta and for only a 6 month break i've played every week at least 3 times a week, so i do have a pssion for this game and i do wish it will, i just think this e-sport mentality is the wrong path to be going dfown at the current time and state of the game.

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Kristov Kerensky, on 24 June 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

Do you actually consider professional bowlers real sportsmen? i mean, it's a pretty damn big industry, pro bowling, making a lot of money for a lot of companies and people, including the 'athletes' who bowl.

I won't even touch on the social skills thing, considering I was an athlete through high school and I can assure you from personal experience, MOST jocks have the social skills of a rabid honey badger, without the intelligence.

I'll do this one better. The biggest "sport" in the USA is Nascar. Does anyone literally consider this a sport? The "gameplay" is mainly based on engineering and performance of the machine rather than the person.

[Soy]

i just wanna say, and i mean no disrespect cuz i've been there, but

if you said to someone IRL "i'm playing mechwarrior online real serious" they'd most likely say "whats mechwarrior online"

don't kid yourselves

considering this game to be comp is like saying my local bar is a haven of virtuoso musicians. reality check, people, it's a ******* hole in the wall with a crowd you could walk thru with both eyes closed and not spill your drink.

no disrespect i'm just saying, i don't see how this game is anywhere near the pop nor the skill level to consider it 'serious' or anything remotely esport

also to the guy who said dota is 'great to watch' no joke, i'd rather watch golf on tv

[Mudhutwarrior]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

IMO esports as a whole is a giant frigging joke


It blows me away that we live in a day and age where people who play video games can be celebrated (and paid) like some kinda athlete, lol

that said...

w/e. To each their own I guess.


And, if it makes this game better than that's fine. Let the basement dwellers have their moment in the spotlight, lol

Everything is upside down, We honor the Kardashians and Politicians while Science and Innovation take a back seat. That is the e-sports mentality. Something for nothing. No risk at all past carpal tunnel.

You e-sports clowns try something like this... One mistake here and your a grease spot. In e-sports you could lose a memory stick at the critical moment.

[Shikata nai]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

And this is the problem, that there is a generation that truly believes that video games are on par with any other competetive activity

That spending hours and hours and days and days practicing video games is in any way something that should be celebrated or encouraged (even though many of us do it.... it is not something to be proud of frankly)

If people spend time running after a ball, or shooting hoops, or swimming, or just about any other competetive thing, they are not only competing, they are getting in shape, learning more social and leadership skills.. man, I can't even explain this to you cause I don't have time or the desire for a huge tirade.

That said, I think MMA is a load of sh*t too, just for completely different reasons.



competetive gaming, lol. this is where millions of years of human evolution has got us. "pro" video gamers and a generation of kids who don't even waste their time playing games, just watching them. I am sad for the future.

I guess you just don't really get it how much skill, practice and mental concentration is necessary to play a game like starcraft professionally.

Tbh I and fortunatly many other people do not care if someone is doing athletics, football or a computer game competiively. The basic behind everything is the same - skill, understanding and practice practice practice and someone who is willing to observe.

And for me as a observer some computergames are much more interesting to watch in comparison to e.g. Formula 1, weight lifting or some other **** just because there is happening much more

[Spr1ggan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 24 June 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Everything is upside down, We honor the Kardashians and Politicians while Science and Innovation take a back seat. That is the e-sports mentality. Something for nothing. No risk at all past carpal tunnel.

You e-sports clowns try something like this... One mistake here and your a grease spot. In e-sports you could lose a memory stick at the critical moment.

You're just jealous you don't get paid to play games lol.

Also lol at science taking a back seat, it's worshipped like a religion these days.

[DjPush]

Hades Trooper, on 24 June 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Revamping a map thats meant for 8 man for 12 and how long has 12 vs 12 been in?

More shinies to buy when hit reg and hit boxes still need to be fixed. yeah put out more product to buy than fix whats already been sold, cause you know the MWO player base are chumps and they eat up anything thats put them in a shiny wrapper.

the slow function? not a bad idea but surely there are better things to work on atm than something else, idk, say firestarter hit boxes and EXE CT that on release, ooops once again we didn't do any in house testing, we gotta fix this as look how people have reacted, shitte they might ask for refunds drop everything, fix this issue, keep the cash from hemoragging.

all i see is work being done on projects that aren't the player base interests and what PGI thinks will keep draining cash form people pockets.

After Founder packs, full wave 1 and 2 packs, and everything in between and MC sales and GXP sales, i've had to start being realistic and ask myself, Am I ever going to get what was promised that lured me in the 1st place? a solid core CW system that had meaning and results that mattered? planets that meant something to control than just your name on them, a function for merc companies than than juts a gather place for friends to hang out?

sorry if asking for a company to actually deliver on there promises after they blamed there past partner company for being at fault, is that too much to ask than expecting them to pick up another hat to wear when considering they have so many to wear now?


Now one is saying don't do it, I thin the feeling from many is, do what u have already on your plate, show us u can deliver and we the PAYING customers will follow you down the road to E-sports and shout out to allow, have a look at this, it awesome!

Well... It sounds like this game has nothing to offer you. Cut your losses, uninstal and go play something else. I don't believe that anything has REALLY been promised to you. Just because you paid some money to fund a game being developed, doesn't entitle you to ****. It's a risk you took and to be honest, I think it was a good one. Mechwarrior is a fun game. The only reason it isn't for you is because you continue to dwell on some vision of a game YOU are creating.

That's a YOU problem. Take the game for what it is and enjoy it or, uninstall.

[Gas Guzzler]

Anarcho, on 24 June 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

I could care less with e-sports too... hate the GGCLOSE mentality and the arrogant teenagers who play like that (yeah, I am Old...)

Focus on CW, single player campaign, PVE and stuff like that...

Yeah single player is ALWAYS the best part of games that have an online multiplayer client. Always, I love beating up on AI, its almost as difficult as beating pugs in "real" builds (not the stupid boring lame try hard ones, I'm talking about the ones that are barely effective but are close to lore builds, that is where the real skill is at). PVE is what we need to carry this game on for 10 years and beyond.

[NephyrisX]

Goddamit PGI.

Esports DOES NOT MAKE A MECHWARRIOR GAME! You would think that years of super-finicky balance would have told them that. If you really want MWO to gain popularity, make an ACTUAL Mechwarrior game with fluff, PvE and so on!

On another note, professional competitive gamers are and should be on the same level as physical athletes, just like how we place Chess Masters, Pool and Dart players.

Athletes continuously train themselves to improve their physique. Likewise, gamers continuously practice in matches to improve their hand-to-eye coordination and reflexes.

Athlete teams often practice in a team to better coordinate themselves. Likewise, gamers practice in a team setting to better coordinate themselves.

It takes years of skill to win in international physical matches. Likewise, it takes years of skill to win in international gaming tournaments.

So, really, what's the difference outside of the different skillsets involved?

Edited by NephyrisX, 24 June 2015 - 11:09 AM.

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Spr1ggan, on 24 June 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

Also lol at science taking a back seat, it's worshipped like a religion these days.

I think he was referring specifically to the good ol' US of A.

[Gas Guzzler]

Hyper99, on 24 June 2015 - 10:54 AM, said:

I'll do this one better. The biggest "sport" in the USA is Nascar. Does anyone literally consider this a sport? The "gameplay" is mainly based on engineering and performance of the machine rather than the person.

That is not entirely true. While I agree there is marginally more skill required in other types of racing, there is still skill involved, and the driver does matter, that's why guys with identical setups don't always score identical laps.

People don't seem to realize that those guys heart rates average 140 bpm over the course of 3 hours straight. There is athleticism involved. A lot of the guys playing MWO would probably have heart attacks in that situation.

Everyone in the US who doesn't like NASCAR loves to bash it, but you gotta give some respect where it is due. The drivers are athletic and skilled, and some engineering plays into it as well, its the ultimate fusion of the jock and the math olympiad champ on one team.

Mudhutwarrior, on 24 June 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Everything is upside down, We honor the Kardashians and Politicians while Science and Innovation take a back seat. That is the e-sports mentality. Something for nothing. No risk at all past carpal tunnel.

You e-sports clowns try something like this... One mistake here and your a grease spot. In e-sports you could lose a memory stick at the critical moment.

You do have a point, I would love to see the viewership of keeping up with the kardashians drop to 0. And politicians are all ******** that only really care about getting office. If you think any given politician really cares about you, I have news for you.. but hey yes we can

[C E Dwyer]

I think trying to make this game Guild wars with robots, is yet another example of poor business choices by PGI.

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Does not knowing what e-sports or e-sport mentality is make me old?

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Bulletsponge0, on 24 June 2015 - 11:19 AM, said:

Does not knowing what e-sports or e-sport mentality is make me old?

Then we're both old, mate.

I tend to think we're talking about tournaments, clan on clan battles, that sort of thing, (makes sense to have a good spectator mode in those), but after reading the comments here, it sounds more like it's a professional sports kinda thing?

[Aresye]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

IMO esports as a whole is a giant frigging joke


It blows me away that we live in a day and age where people who play video games can be celebrated (and paid) like some kinda athlete, lol

Not any different than watching Poker on ESPN. Bunch of hypocritical arguments with no valid complaints other than the stereotype that video game players are losers and don't deserve to have any recognition.

It's like fantasy football vs LARP. One involves sitting at home drinking beer and constantly refreshing webpages. The other actually involves physical exercise and spending time outdoors. But noooooo, the one that involves sitting at home on your ass doing nothing is somehow more socially acceptable, despite the fact both of them involve immersing yourself in a 100% fake reality.

Edited by Aresye Kerensky, 24 June 2015 - 11:24 AM.

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Mudhutwarrior, on 24 June 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Everything is upside down, We honor the Kardashians and Politicians while Science and Innovation take a back seat. That is the e-sports mentality. Something for nothing. No risk at all past carpal tunnel.

You e-sports clowns try something like this... One mistake here and your a grease spot. In e-sports you could lose a memory stick at the critical moment.

Could not have put it better. Amen.


Guys can try to defend pro gaming all they want, it's just trying to self-affirm their likely shameful gaming habits.

That's fine, I play lots of vids too. We all do other stuff as well. But pro gaming deserves no respect as a human activity any further than its value as a sweet money bag for marketing companies to milk the gaming demographic